New Scrum Rules Affects on Props

blackdog1

Just read Ross' s article on the new scrum laws and the main thing you take from it is the extra time and effort in the new scrums. Was watching moore against ospreys where there wasn't too much scrums and he lasted 60 mins and looked good around the field. Watched him against castres and there were more scrums and his legs were gone at 50. Makes you wonder if the 80 minute th is gone ?. And you need 2 quality th now.
Also will there be holes where the props are defending because their legs will be like jelly after every hard scrum.

Any thoughts?

Zzippy

blackdog1 wrote: »

Just read Ross' s article on the new scrum laws and the main thing you take from it is the extra time and effort in the new scrums. Was watching moore against ospreys where there wasn't too much scrums and he lasted 60 mins and looked good around the field. Watched him against castres and there were more scrums and his legs were gone at 50. Makes you wonder if the 80 minute th is gone ?. And you need 2 quality th now.
Also will there be holes where the props are defending because their legs will be like jelly after every hard scrum.

Any thoughts?

Link?

Dave_The_Sheep

Wonder if it's this?


No idea though.

blackdog1

Dave_The_Sheep wrote: »

Wonder if it's this?


No idea though.

No from today's independent. Maybe one of you could post a link. Basically scrums lasting 10-11 seconds after engagement were as before it was 5

toomevara

Ahem, its "effects" not "affects"......*





*yes, I am a super-sexy grammar Nazi and, yes as you'd imagine the ladies run wild at the very thought of my disquisitions on the correct use of the apostrophe

Buer

Same press appearance, different answers and quotes:

http://www.independent.ie/sport/rugby/i-can-find-irelands-next-top-prop-ross-29695518.html

Quin_Dub

blackdog1 wrote: »

Just read Ross' s article on the new scrum laws and the main thing you take from it is the extra time and effort in the new scrums. Was watching moore against ospreys where there wasn't too much scrums and he lasted 60 mins and looked good around the field. Watched him against castres and there were more scrums and his legs were gone at 50. Makes you wonder if the 80 minute th is gone ?. And you need 2 quality th now.
Also will there be holes where the props are defending because their legs will be like jelly after every hard scrum.

Any thoughts?

One of 2 things will happen - Props will do less around the field (like they did in the old days - It wasn't fitness before , it was the impact of scrummaging) or we'll have the whole front row playing a half each..

Very difficult to have both - Certainly in games where there are 15+ scrums , props won't last the full game if they are expected to continue to make 8+ tackles and hit wide rucks all game...

Annabella1

I would imagine that there is now less stress on the neck and back as the initial engagement is not as intense-good for player welfare?

.ak

toomevara wrote: »

Ahem, its "effects" not "affects"......*





*yes, I am a super-sexy grammar Nazi and, yes as you'd imagine the ladies run wild at the very thought of my disquisitions on the correct use of the apostrophe

I was going to fix it, but now I know it'll torment your sleepless nights I think I'll leave it a little while longer...

Quin_Dub

Annabella1 wrote: »

I would imagine that there is now less stress on the neck and back as the initial engagement is not as intense-good for player welfare?

Not less - Just different..

The High impact, short duration "hit" is gone , but is replaced by a longer more sustained period of pressure on the neck/back... So if you get into a bad position it's going to HURT....

Dave_The_Sheep

Quin_Dub wrote: »

. So if you get into a bad position it's going to HURT....

Ross was out at our workplace giving a talk that was supposed to be about rugby lessons in business, so we thought, but actually was just a Q&A for an hour instead (happily enough!).

He was saying that the only times he's ever felt worried about himself playing rugby was when the front rows go down, and the lads behind and in front of him just keep pushing. He was saying you get that massive buildup of pressure around your neck and shoulders and think to yourself "****, here's where it finally goes...".

Can't be pleasant.

.ak

Yeah. I have a huge respect for front rows. I got caught awkwardly in a ruck on Saturday, my head was stuck between two plays and the player rucking behind me kept pushing, I heard a crack and my neck bent in a way it was never designed to do... I was convinced I was done until everyone peeled off me. Actually once I realised I wasn't dead it was kinda pleasant, you'd probably pay a chiropractor decent money to do that.

Teferi

I absolutely panic when the scrum collapses to be honest, especially after reading Matt Hampsons autobiography. Thankfully all front rows tend to look out for each other in the scrums if they start collapsing, everyone always tries to withdraw the momentum and hold the collapsing side up as best as possible.

Quin_Dub

Teferi wrote: »

I absolutely panic when the scrum collapses to be honest, especially after reading Matt Hampsons autobiography. Thankfully all front rows tend to look out for each other in the scrums if they start collapsing, everyone always tries to withdraw the momentum and hold the collapsing side up as best as possible.

Absolutely... Played Tight head at a reasonable standard for a long time - Scariest thing happened to me at Training once as a 19 yr old just out of school and new to Adult Rugby - Scrummaging practice against the 1st team (an All Inter-Pro F/R at that time), my 2nd row lost his footing behind me and the opposition pack drive though.. I knew that I was going to get stuck if I didn't move - Twisted my head out just in time and to his credit , the LH slid out and across when he realised what I needed to do.. - I was quite literally a split second away from breaking my neck!

Didn't get injured , but sat out the next 5-10 minutes more than a little freaked out...

Got back into later in the session and was fine from then on , but it was a sobering incident...