Kilkenny Man- Hitler Birthday Cake

road_high

This is causing a bit of a stir today;

http://www.breakingnews.ie/discover/why-does-this-kilkenny-man-have-a-hitler-birthday-cake-611029.html

Distasteful to say the least....

Cabaal

Saw this yesterday on broadsheet.ie, very odd indeed.

here's the reason
http://www.broadsheet.ie/2013/10/24/hitler-cake-guy-the-truth/

Threadhead

The reason he had a Hitler birthday cake was because he admired Hitler's army?

Glad he cleared that up for us.

Daemos

Oh, come on, it's a joke! Hitler is wearing a party hat FFS

It's a bit of a laugh, nothing more

Cabaal

I'll say its odd, but in fairness each to their own.
Some people like reading and watching stuff about WW2, that in itself is not actually that odd. Somebody decided to use that as a joke for his cake,

S28382

This is such a non story. If some one wants to have Hitler on their bday cake then why cant they sure its their choice i dont see how this offends people and the fact that this has become some sort of story really shows how stupid and petty journalism is gone.

se conman

(1) Private party.
(2) Private cake.
(3) Private opinion.
I don't share his admiration for AH, but that is my opinion, he is intitled to his.

Daemos

se conman wrote: »

(1) Private party.
(2) Private cake.
(3) Private opinion.
I don't share his admiration for AH, but that is my opinion, he is intitled to his.

Not a big fan of After Hours myself :pac:

se conman

Daemos wrote: »

Not a big fan of After Hours myself :pac:

Always one smarta**e. :P

road_high

se conman wrote: »

(1) Private party.
(2) Private cake.
(3) Private opinion.
I don't share his admiration for AH, but that is my opinion, he is intitled to his.

I think people's upset came from it being paraded on the local paper. Also went on local radio and said he admired Adolf Hilter as an army leader...at these points it seized to be a private affair. I'm far from the PC brigade but I didn't find it appropriate.

se conman

Would that not put more blame on the media rather than on a man for having an opinion that is not the norm.

By the way, I am not defending his opinion, rather his right to have an opinion.

brettmirl

Transcript and links to audio here: http://www.thejournal.ie/hitler-birthday-cake-lar-brennan-kilkenny-1145742-Oct2013/

riffmongous

Nunn: “And all the people that he burned and…?”

Brennan: “Yes, well, that was the sinister thing about him. Behind that as well – and I don’t want to go into politics – but apparently there are two sides to every story and I heard that the other side of the story, the people that he, am, ah, put to death were spoiling the economy of his country by devaluing the deutschmark.”

Nunn: “Oh holy God. I can’t even let you say that, Larry, because I think that is just so offensive to people, you know. I mean…”

You would most likely go to prison if you said that over here in Austria..

I mean you can't tell someone what they can and can't admire but believing something like that is too much

Arawn

road_high wrote: »

I think people's upset came from it being paraded on the local paper. Also went on local radio and said he admired Adolf Hilter as an army leader...at these points it seized to be a private affair. I'm far from the PC brigade but I didn't find it appropriate.

he sent his army to invade russia in winter ffs!

Cabaal

Arawn wrote: »

he sent his army to invade russia in winter ffs!

So did Napoleon, but sure some people like him too

catbear

Hitler is now a historical character just like churchhill. Around the time of Roy Keane leaving Saipan no one seemed to get upset about those Collins t-shirts with "Another Cork man stabbed in the back!"
Guy Fawkes gets burned every year but no one in England wants to refight the English civil war!
Would a neo nazi iike mock Hitler?

riffmongous

catbear wrote: »

Hitler is now a historical character just like churchhill. Around the time of Roy Keane leaving Saipan no one seemed to get upset about those Collins t-shirts with "Another Cork man stabbed in the back!"
Guy Fawkes gets burned every year but no one in England wants to refight the English civil war!
Would a neo nazi iike mock Hitler?

Are you serious? People are still being murdered because of Hitler's warped ideologys

$kilkenny

you people do realize hitler was probably one of the best leaders in history?? ok granted i'm not going to say what he did was right but as a politician and as a leader the man was a genius, how many leaders can anyone say that brought a large country out of a recession to be a contender for world super power in something like 15-20 years.... we could do with one right now.....
maybe he admired him for that?? doesn't always have to be the bad things people admire.

Arawn

$kilkenny wrote: »

you people do realize hitler was probably one of the best leaders in history?? ok granted i'm not going to say what he did was right but as a politician and as a leader the man was a genius, how many leaders can anyone say that brought a large country out of a recession to be a contender for world super power in something like 15-20 years.... we could do with one right now.....
maybe he admired him for that?? doesn't always have to be the bad things people admire.

he said military leader, he invaded russia in the ****ing winter ffs. IIRC the only people who successfully did that were the bloody monghols.

There is no reason to admire Hitler at all, yes you can see he was a great leader but to admire him...

onemorechance

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XsYJyVEUaC4

ButtersSuki

Am I the only one who noticed the irony of him (a Hitler fan) being from a town named "Coon"?

Gmol

Arawn wrote: »

he said military leader, he invaded russia in the ****ing winter ffs. IIRC the only people who successfully did that were the bloody monghols.

There is no reason to admire Hitler at all, yes you can see he was a great leader but to admire him...

And probably would have defeated Russia but he also then went and declared war on the US which was spectacularly dumb

Captain Havoc

ButtersSuki wrote: »

Am I the only one who noticed the irony of him (a Hitler fan) being from a town named "Coon"?

??????

Captain Havoc

This thread is just missing this:

DamoKen

$kilkenny wrote: »

you people do realize hitler was probably one of the best leaders in history?? ok granted i'm not going to say what he did was right but as a politician and as a leader the man was a genius, how many leaders can anyone say that brought a large country out of a recession to be a contender for world super power in something like 15-20 years.... we could do with one right now.....
maybe he admired him for that?? doesn't always have to be the bad things people admire.

He wasn't, but he did have the best trained and best led ( by the German general staff) army in the world. The only input needed from Hitler was all the money the army needed to rearm. This he gave them at the cost of any long term economic viability for the country, something he never had an interest in anyway.

Militarily things started going seriously downhill when he decided to get involved in making military decisions. No retreat Stalingrad, increasing scope of battle plans rendering them obsolete not to mention impossible ignoring the available resources time and time again, believing in his will over logistics, the list of catastrophic decisions made by a delusional lunatic is breathtaking and in terms of human cost nearly impossible to comprehend.

As far as economics policies? By 1936 Germany was on the verge of bankruptcy, unemployment figures had dropped to virtually none from 6 million it's true. At the same time women were no longer considered as part of the workforce so weren't counted, neither were jews or other "undesirables". Any left unemployed were given stark choices if they couldn't find a job or were not qualified, either take what the party offered, or enjoy the hospitality of your local labour camp.

Even the vaunted autobahn, the show-piece of Nazi Germany was a lie. At it's height it employed around 120,000 people, not the 600,000 claimed. Of those many were slave labourers. Strikes were broken with trade union leaders disappearing into the camps. Ironically enough before coming to power the nazis were actually part of a campaign AGAINST autobahns, which they viewed as benefiting only the rich and Jews (most Germans at the time did not have a car). It was only after coming to power that they recognised the benefit of them and jumped on the band wagon. The enduring myth between the Nazis and the autobahns is a striking example of their propaganda machine, one of the few things you could say they were truly good at.

Most employment prewar was actually for the war industry, again a completely unsustainable model with only one possible goal.

War, and the deaths of over 60 million people. Hardly what I would be calling the product of genius.

catbear

riffmongous wrote: »

Are you serious? People are still being murdered because of Hitler's warped ideologys

Are postulating that he invented it?

Racial/religious motivated murder was around long before hitler. Pogroms had been common in Germany since the times of the Crusades. When Hitler called it "the final solution" he was summoning an inherent ancient anti semitism.

Aside from the anti semitism there's the 30 year war which took the lives of a third of Germany, it took a century for the population to recover to where it was before that war.

Large scale murder is common throughout history.

riffmongous

catbear wrote: »

Are postulating that he invented it?

Racial/religious motivated murder was around long before hitler. Pogroms had been common in Germany since the times of the Crusades. When Hitler called it "the final solution" he was summoning an inherent ancient anti semitism.

Aside from the anti semitism there's the 30 year war which took the lives of a third of Germany, it took a century for the population to recover to where it was before that war.

Of course not, what Hitler did though was take it and organise it to a level that resulted in the deaths of millions, and not just jews but slavs, gypsies, homsexuals, anyone who didn't fulfill a select criteria. How many more millions would have been killed if he had been successfull?

Now look at the transcript again for what the man actually said

the people that he, am, ah, put to death were spoiling the economy of his country by devaluing the deutschmark

that's a justification for the death of 6 million jews? That is sick.

And as was pointed out above Hitler should never have been allowed near the military command, most of the greatest disasters can be attributed directly to his commands. How many hundreds of thousands of german soldiers died due to his refusal to allow them to retreat? He ordered them to die for the sake of dying. A lot of the suffering of the german people at the end of the war can also attributed to him and his insane desire to fight to the end within germany even though the war had been lost over a year before.

riffmongous

$kilkenny wrote: »

you people do realize hitler was probably one of the best leaders in history?? ok granted i'm not going to say what he did was right but as a politician and as a leader the man was a genius, how many leaders can anyone say that brought a large country out of a recession to be a contender for world super power in something like 15-20 years.... we could do with one right now.....

You must have fallen asleep during the second half of that story.

The man was a great demagogue, probably the greatest, but I don't think thats a reason to admire someone who also committed so many awful crimes.

catbear

I must have read a different article about cake man, yeah he's a dick.

Unfortunately he's not alone. The Gardai and HSE stole a child because of suspicions based on racial distinctions.

That whole story sickened me to the core. But should I be surprised? After all Dev sent his condolences to the German people on the death on Hitler.

If Germany had invaded Ireland there would have been an enthusiastic volunteer force to help round up Jews/Homosexuals/even protestants.

On the other hand Hitler had said he could solve the "Irish problem" for Britain. After all wasn't the offer "Britain can have its Empire, Germany can have Europe".

S28382

catbear wrote: »

I must have read a different article about cake man, yeah he's a dick.

Unfortunately he's not alone. The Gardai and HSE stole a child because of suspicions based on racial distinctions.

That whole story sickened me to the core. But should I be surprised? After all Dev sent his condolences to the German people on the death on Hitler.

If Germany had invaded Ireland there would have been an enthusiastic volunteer force to help round up Jews/Homosexuals/even protestants.

On the other hand Hitler had said he could solve the "Irish problem" for Britain. After all wasn't the offer "Britain can have its Empire, Germany can have Europe".

Are you for real? they didnt steal any child they acted in the manner that they had to as child trafficking is rife amongst the Roma people. If the cops didnt act there would be uproar about them doing nothing.

Rantan

[QUOTE=....... child trafficking is rife amongst the Roma people.......

wow...what a thing to say....based on your personal research is it? how can you justify that?

se conman

Every person has a right to a private opinion, it makes no difference how off the wall that opinion is. That opinion only becomes an issue when you try force it upon others.
KCLR got that man on the radio to talk about his opinion and then they(KCLR) are "shocked" at his reasons.
Two things pop up here,
1 KCLR are not that naive, what did they expect? RESULT, they got nationwide publicity.
2 Controversial interviews are never broadcast "live" KCLR could have edited or pulled the interview. RESULT, they got nationwide publicity.

Dozen Wicked Words

The only way I would be more disturbed is if someone came forward and expressed admiration for Sue Nunn.

Yamanoto

I don't know if anyone else recalls this, but a few years back the Kilkenny People were covering attempts by Waterford council to extend its boundary into parts of South KK. The editorial called for calm & for common sense to prevail, while in the very same edition, there was a cartoon of Hitler superimposed on a map of the KK / Waterford border, with accompanying references to a landgrab.

Goat the dote

Is the man the full shilling? He was interviewed by nunn purely for ratings. He was allowed ramble on until he mentioned spoiling the economy but she did ask probing questions.

S28382

Rantan wrote: »

[QUOTE=....... child trafficking is rife amongst the Roma people.......

wow...what a thing to say....based on your personal research is it? how can you justify that?

Actually if you do a bit of reading yourself you will see that there is elements within that community as with others that are known to be involved in something as bad as child trafficking it's not something I'm assuming off the whim. So yes it is a thing to say because it is true and forgive me for not sticking in a link for you to follow I'm sure your not that lazy where you can't research it yourself.

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Captain Havoc

S28382 wrote: »

Are you for real? they didnt steal any child they acted in the manner that they had to as child trafficking is rife amongst the Roma people. If the cops didnt act there would be uproar about them doing nothing.

Can you back up this claim with a credible link? If not I will have to ban you for racism.

Dozen Wicked Words

Captain Havoc wrote: »

Can you back up this claim with a credible link? If not I will have to ban you for racism.

Apologies if this is posting out of turn, as you didn't ask me for a link, but thought this was a very interesting document on the Pdf on this link, not from an anti-Roma stand point, quite the opposite and completely justifies saying trafficking is an issue within Roma communities.

www.osce.org/odihr/18813

Captain Havoc

Apologies if I've misunderstood something but that document deals with Roma victims but my understanding of S28382's post is that the Romas were the ones doing the trafficking.

Dozen Wicked Words

Maybe I have taken this too far off topic. Apologies if this is, and feel free to delete as required.

From linked document

Last paragraph dealing with Macedonia suggests issue can be with neighbours, older kids, elders and relatives. So the Roma themselves.

First paragraph dealing with Serbia offers up idea that every Roma community has group controlling ALL that goes on in their community. It would be a fair assumption that that means everything, and not everything apart from exploitation of children.

Last paragraph of Child begging suggests Roma parents have been known to give their children to traffickers, perhaps unknowingly but the children are still gone.

Last line of social marginalization of Roma acknowledges some Roma are involved in trafficking (though not disproportionately large number).

Purely devils advocate. None of this is written, as far as I can tell from a racist viewpoint, but could all be used as reference that Roma are involved in trafficking their own children or other members of their own community. Perhaps in small numbers, perhaps not. That trafficking is rife? It clearly is a huge issue, so surely rife could be considered an acceptable term. I don't see anything S28382 wrote as racist, blunt and using very broad brush strokes maybe but accusation of racism seems just as blunt to me.

pueblo

This from Michael Moran, Assistant director of Interpol's human trafficking and child exploitation section (Comments made on RTE’s Morning Ireland programme.)

“Yes, there is a problem with human trafficking within the Roma community. But it’s a problem that the Roma community themselves have acknowledged. And they work... to try and deal with these issues.”

“By their very nature, the migration habits of the Roma people, which have been in existence since time immemorial; those migration habits are susceptible to trafficking, [AS WELL AS]the fact that there is within their community the problem of organised street gangs, child street gangs, theft gangs, organised begging, forced marriages, child marriages within their community.

riffmongous

Dozen Wicked Words wrote: »

Purely devils advocate. None of this is written, as far as I can tell from a racist viewpoint, but could all be used as reference that Roma are involved in trafficking their own children or other members of their own community. Perhaps in small numbers, perhaps not. That trafficking is rife? It clearly is a huge issue, so surely rife could be considered an acceptable term. I don't see anything S28382 wrote as racist, blunt and using very broad brush strokes maybe but accusation of racism seems just as blunt to me.

First thanks for that document, an interesting but sad read. That so much damage is inflicted by parts of a community on the community itself is always so terrible, but I do wish that more people would remember that the Roma are not alone in this, how many people suffered in Ireland from the actions of the community 'leaders' during the last century?

As regards the racism issue, paedophilia was a huge issue within Irish society, but if an Irish person living abroad had had their child removed from them on some flimsy evidence and the idea that paedophilia is rife within the Irish community I would certainly consider that racism.

S28382

Captain Havoc wrote: »

Can you back up this claim with a credible link? If not I will have to ban you for racism.

Ban me all you want havoc I won't loose any sleep over it I'm not going to link a single thing just because some one else is not bothered to look for something themselves.

Your very quick off the mark with threats of bans and infractions when there is no need. I did not abuse no one nor was I aiming to be what you would call racist.

So you can either ban me or stop with your unwarranted threats you seem to put your mod hat on very aggressively I see you don't do nicey nice.

Captain Havoc

S28382 wrote: »

Ban me all you want havoc

Fair enough. I don't have to google anything, I've better things to be doing, you made the statement, you back it up. 1 week ban for ignoring mod instruction.

pueblo

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RobbingBandit

What bakery did this guy get the cake in?

Dozen Wicked Words

RobbingBandit wrote: »

What bakery did this guy get the cake in?

I'd say the picture was one of those print your own decorating kits his daughter did for him, only guessing though.

Sponge25

Big deal, Hitler in a party hat cake.

Anyone who finds that offensive is an idiot.

catbear

Sponge25 wrote: »

Big deal, Hitler in a party hat cake.

Anyone who finds that offensive is an idiot.

Depends on context. I've seen an israeli comedy show where they ripped the piss out of jewish culture, similar to self depreciating irish comedians slagging off ireland. anyone else doing it would be seen as racist etc...

The old saying goes tragady + time = comedy!

Having said that if cake man was trying to express frustration at failures of the irish state then comedy is no defence for borrowing another cultures tragedy.

Goat the dote

RobbingBandit wrote: »

What bakery did this guy get the cake in?

The bakery would only have been following customer request. Can't really turn away business