Tsarnaev Brothers Were Informants

Brown Bomber

I raised the possibility 5 months ago that the Tsarnaevs were working for the FBI.

He fit all the criteria - languages, foreign passport, Muslim, Chechen, criminal past and with the leverage over him of his visa status.[/QUOTE]

Nothing has happened in the interim to change my opinion of this. I would include the other Chechen guy and associate of Tamerlan who the FBI mysteriously murdered in his home as well (along with later deporting his best friend and imprisoning and later deporting his girlfriend.)

What needs to be understood is that there are thousands upon thousands of Muslim informers on the payroll of the FBI. Their motivation falls into one (or more) of three catergories: 1. Financial. 2. Avoid criminal prosecution 3. They are visa applicants who have been threatened by the FBI

The FBI looks the other way as they commit crimes as long as they are fabricating vast "terror" plots with vulnerable and naive Muslims, including the homeless and the mentally ill. At the last moment the FBI steps in to save the day to prevent it's OWN "terror attack" thereby justifying in the minds of the shocked public it's billlions of dollars counter-terrorism budget.

Craig Montelih is a convicted felon who made thousands of dollars a month working as a confidential informant for the FBI tasked with spying on Muslims. He explains:

“The way the FBI conducts their operations, It is all about entrapment … I know the game, I know the dynamics of it. It’s such a joke, a real joke. There is no real hunt. It’s fixed,”

The terrorists as informants fits better with the brothers spooky familial connections through their uncle and Tamerlan's former father-in-law along with with specific details of the bomb attacks themselves. the intervening days and the day of their killing/capture.

Balaclava1991

So there is no possibility at all that Muslims radicals would want to attack America and made their own bomb and launch the attack?

Why wouldn't FBI agents have gone public about this? Surely there would be some Republican politicians who would love to hear about it and then grandstand with the evidence? You don't think Fox News would put this on the air and expose the Obama administration?

Brown Bomber

Balaclava1991 wrote: »

So there is no possibility at all that Muslims radicals would want to attack America and made their own bomb and launch the attack?

Never said that. In fact it could have been some other "Muslim Radicals". What I am getting at is that certain aspects of the narrative make more sense -- to me at least -- if the Tsarnaev's were FBI informants and the FBI (and others) have subsequently tried to cover up this fact.

This doesn't mean that they didn't carry out the attack or that the FBI wanted to carry out a false-flag attack. They could have been running their handlers rather than the other way round. They could have been involved in an entrapment phony terrorist "attack" that went wrong, see the WTC Bombing for a precedent. Their FBI handlers could have been double-agents and set up their CI's the Tsarnaevs.

Also, most of the available evidence points to Dzokhar, at least not being a "Muslim Radical". It points to the contrary in fact.

Balaclava1991 wrote: »

Why wouldn't FBI agents have gone public about this? Surely there would be some Republican politicians who would love to hear about it and then grandstand with the evidence? You don't think Fox News would put this on the air and expose the Obama administration?

Why don't you ask Bradley Manning why people may not have gone public.

Republicans vs Democrats is a pantomine played out by men in empty suits. Both are ultimately subservient to the same masters who want to wage wars against Muslim populations and need to manipulate through fear the public into supporting the savagery, death and destruction of their imperial adventures.

"Terrorism" by Muslims enables this.

Balaclava1991

Brown Bomber wrote: »

Never said that. In fact it could have been some other "Muslim Radicals". What I am getting at is that certain aspects of the narrative make more sense -- to me at least -- if the Tsarnaev's were FBI informants and the FBI (and others) have subsequently tried to cover up this fact.

You haven't explained why this would not leak to the press.

Do the FBI's job is supposed to stop crimes and protect innocent people so presumably there are people who joined the FBI with the idealistic notion of doing so?

And there is no chance at all that any of these conscientious people would leak a plot by the FBI to cover their involvement in the Boston bombing?

No chance at all?

This doesn't mean that they didn't carry out the attack or that the FBI wanted to carry out a false-flag attack.

Another person might think Obama is giant lizard wearing a human skin but that doesn't make it true.

They could have been running their handlers rather than the other way round.

Evidence?

They could have been involved in an entrapment phony terrorist "attack" that went wrong, see the WTC Bombing for a precedent. Their FBI handlers could have been double-agents and set up their CI's the Tsarnaevs.

And some how no FBI agent has gone public about any of this????

Also, most of the available evidence points to Dzokhar, at least not being a "Muslim Radical". It points to the contrary in fact.

Dzokhar had videos of radical Islamic speeches and was friends with Islamist fundamentalists on his social media accounts.

Why don't you ask Bradley Manning why people may not have gone public.

If someone had gone public with hard evidence - documents, memos, emails, taped conversations, testified under oath etc etc. the government would have a civil war on its hands and would be forced to turn themselves in.

There is no way they could keep a lid on it.

It's just a ridiculous idea.

The fact that Edward Snowden exposed the massive surveillance operations of the NSA should tell you the massive risks the government faces from leaks and people who go public. Someone with a conscience is always going to go public.

Republicans vs Democrats is a pantomine played out by men in empty suits. Both are ultimately subservient to the same masters who want to wage wars against Muslim populations and need to manipulate through fear the public into supporting the savagery, death and destruction of their imperial adventures.

That is utter nonsense.

Republicans and Democrats are ripping each other apart over domestic economic issues and foreign policy.
Real issues are discussed in the media all the time.
No country in the world has more political debate that the United States bar none.
Have you been awake since 9/11? Did you miss the massive controversy over the Iraq War which polarized political opinion like no other issues since the Vietnam War?
Have you missed the raging controversies about the economic meltdown in the U.S.?

I don't think you know what you are talking about.

"Terrorism" by Muslims enables this.

Islamic fundamentalists across the Arab world are involved in uprising, insurgencies, revolutions or activism. They are openly advocating the establishment of an Islamic Caliphate and they also want Islam to spread at the point of the gun or otherwise throughout the world.
The extremist jihadist ideology of Muslim conquest has existed before the U.S. even existed.

The Tsarnaev brothers were quite clearly jihadist fanatics and there is no secret U.S. government involvement in the Boston bombing.

Brown Bomber

Balaclava1991 wrote: »

You haven't explained why this would not leak to the press.

Shouldn't need any explaining to be fair while government whistleblowers are currently rotting in prison.

Assuming some kind of FBI coverup what would any FBI agent or staffer gain from leaking anything to the press?

Balaclava1991 wrote: »

Another person might think Obama is giant lizard wearing a human skin but that doesn't make it true.

I'm trying to have an adult conversation with you. If you are not interested in this and want to bring up irrelevant nonsense then don't bother responding again.

Balaclava1991 wrote: »

Evidence?

What evidence do you expect to have been released by the FBI to the public about their informants carrying out a terrorist attack?

Balaclava1991 wrote: »

Dzokhar had videos of radical Islamic speeches and was friends with Islamist fundamentalists on his social media accounts.

News to me. Can you back this up?

Dzokhar was an Obama supporting, drug taking, gambling, alcohol drinking, rap listening, X-Box playing student i.e. not by any stretch of the imagination or twisting of the facts an "Islamic fundamentalist"

Balaclava1991 wrote: »

If someone had gone public with hard evidence - documents, memos, emails, taped conversations, testified under oath etc etc. the government would have a civil war on its hands and would be forced to turn themselves in.

There is no way they could keep a lid on it.

It's just a ridiculous idea.

The fact that Edward Snowden exposed the massive surveillance operations of the NSA should tell you the massive risks the government faces from leaks and people who go public. Someone with a conscience is always going to go public.



That is utter nonsense.

Republicans and Democrats are ripping each other apart over domestic economic issues and foreign policy.
Real issues are discussed in the media all the time.
No country in the world has more political debate that the United States bar none.
Have you been awake since 9/11? Did you miss the massive controversy over the Iraq War which polarized political opinion like no other issues since the Vietnam War?
Have you missed the raging controversies about the economic meltdown in the U.S.?

I don't think you know what you are talking about. .

This is going too far off topic and to be frank I haven't got the patience for it. It's like arguing with someone who thinks WWF is real.

Balaclava1991 wrote: »

Islamic fundamentalists across the Arab world are involved in uprising, insurgencies, revolutions or activism. They are openly advocating the establishment of an Islamic Caliphate and they also want Islam to spread at the point of the gun or otherwise throughout the world.
The extremist jihadist ideology of Muslim conquest has existed before the U.S. even existed.

The Tsarnaev brothers were quite clearly jihadist fanatics and there is no secret U.S. government involvement in the Boston bombing.

And blowing up innocent people at a marathon advances this "jihad" how exactly? Not sure what your point is really.

Torakx

This may be lazy research, well it is..
But, do Muslims have anything in their belief system about everyone else that isn't Muslim being infidels or anything along those lines?

Was talking to a friend who said somethign about Muslims beign dangerous and radicals.My first reaction was to say, I don't think they all are it is more likely a small portion of extremeists.
But I didn't really check my facts afterwards and I have checked this before I'm sure, just cannot remember.

But if I was correct, it shows to me that people even highly inteligent physicists for example still are being easily decieved by the media.

Can you set me straight on that one BB?
I am presuming you have done research on this topic for years, so hoping its a simple answer for you

I am refering to the entire Muslim faith here. If that is such a thing to lump together.

Brown Bomber

Torakx wrote: »

This may be lazy research, well it is..
But, do Muslims have anything in their belief system about everyone else that isn't Muslim being infidels or anything along those lines?

Was talking to a friend who said somethign about Muslims beign dangerous and radicals.My first reaction was to say, I don't think they all are it is more likely a small portion of extremeists.
But I didn't really check my facts afterwards and I have checked this before I'm sure, just cannot remember.

But if I was correct, it shows to me that people even highly inteligent physicists for example still are being easily decieved by the media.

Can you set me straight on that one BB?
I am presuming you have done research on this topic for years, so hoping its a simple answer for you

I am refering to the entire Muslim faith here. If that is such a thing to lump together.

Be delighted to help

The first thing is that you should never view Islam as a single homogenous unit. It has evolved differently over the centuries in many different states and cultures with various interpretations within this then again.

As for your friend, well he is wrong. Only a tiny minority of the most extreme Muslims, think AQ types, think Jews and Christians are infidels, the rest don't. They call them people of the book (Bible) or something like that.

Brown Bomber

Sometimes it gets boring being right all of the time.


Defense: FBI wanted marathon suspect as informant
http://news.yahoo.com/defense-fbi-wanted-marathon-suspect-informant-214828694.html

weisses

Brown Bomber wrote: »

Sometimes it gets boring being right all of the time.


Defense: FBI wanted marathon suspect as informant
http://news.yahoo.com/defense-fbi-wanted-marathon-suspect-informant-214828694.html

Stupid CT ers. :-)

Brown Bomber

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CMRns4ViuEY

Al Jazeera's Investigative Unit takes you inside the shadowy world of FBI informants and counterterrorism sting operations. Following the 9/11 attacks, the FBI set about to recruit a network of more than 15,000 informants. Al Jazeera's investigative film tells the stories of three paid FBI informants who posed as Muslims as they searched for people interested in joining violent plots concocted by the FBI.
Interactive Documentary : Informants http://aje.me/informants

Brown Bomber

“They said that I was facing ten years, but I could walk away right now if I agreed to be an informant,” recalls Abdul-Alim. “They said that they would give me the names of specific people who they wanted me to target, and I would use anti-government propaganda to incite them to violent action. They implied that they would provide me with guns and bombs to give people.” Hisgen and Sheehan did not record the interrogation.

You can read the full report here of the pressure Muslims are under to become agent-provacateurs and informants http://www.thenation.com/article/182096/how-one-man-refused-spy-fellow-muslims-fbi-and-then-lost-everything#