[Must read] 13 Nutrition Lies That Made The World Sick And Fat

siochain

Must read by everyone

Good to see main stream media publish some real facts about nutrition.



http://www.businessinsider.com/13-nutrition-lies-that-made-the-world-sick-and-fat-2013-10?op=1

summary
1. Eggs Are Bad For Your Health
2. A Calorie is a Calorie
3. Saturated Fat is Unhealthy
4. Eating a Lot of Protein is Bad For Your Health
5. Everyone Should be Eating “Heart-Healthy” Whole Wheat
6. Coffee is Bad for You
7. Meat is Bad For You
8. The Healthiest Diet is a Low-Fat, High-Carb Diet
9. Refined Seed- and Vegetable Oils Are Healthy
10. Low-Carb Diets Are Ineffective and Downright Harmful
11. Everyone Should be Cutting Back on Sodium
12. Sugar is Bad Because it Contains “Empty” Calories

Zillah

I found this a suspicious thing to say: "This applies to fructose from added sugars, NOT the natural sugars found in fruits."

Fructose that is added is bad, but fructose from fruit is magically ok? Why would my liver care what the source was?

Transform

Zillah wrote: »

I found this a suspicious thing to say: "This applies to fructose from added sugars, NOT the natural sugars found in fruits."

Fructose that is added is bad, but fructose from fruit is magically ok? Why would my liver care what the source was?

they cant get it all right and for the average person thats not going to be the deal breaker its going to be the constant stream of sugar, flora marg, wheat and 20 pints at the weekend

siochain

Are the media turning a corner ?


In praise of fabulous fat

http://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/health-family/in-praise-of-fabulous-fat-1.1568239

Irish cows are grass-fed which means their beef is as lean as a skinless chicken breast. Photograph: Joanne Murphy

Any good butcher in Ireland will tell you a simple secret about the meat that you buy from them: the flavour is in the fat.

And if your butcher is a well-read bloke who likes to research health issues, or if he has just picked up a copy of Pat Whelan and Katy McGuinness’s new book, The Irish Beef Book, he might trundle out a few other facts and figures about fat that would have you wide-eyed with amazement.

For example, did you know that:

Beef fat chips are better for you than chips made with polyunsaturated vegetable oils;

Fats are the chief constituent of the human brain;

Fats carry with them the four fat-soluble vitamins A, D, E and K;

The belief that a low-fat diet will protect you against cancer and coronary heart disease is not true;

But we now know that Omega 3 fats help prevent obesity, diabetes and heart disease.

Fat removal
When you consider that an entire generation has been reared believing that fat is bad for you and, as a consequence, eats meat from which the fat has largely been removed, it seems clear that we need to work hard to get our heads around the seemingly unlikely fact that fat is fabulous.

But your butcher isn’t finished with you yet. Because Irish butchers have another trump card up their sleeves, and it is this: Irish beef (and lamb) is grass-fed, and grass-fed beef and lamb actually has all the really sexy fats, the ones that really maintain optimum health:

The beta-carotene, vitamin E and folic acid in grass finds its way into the flesh of the animals that eat that grass (and into good eggs; if you take this as a prescription to have steak and eggs for breakfast, then please be my guest);

Grass-fed animals give us CLAs (Conjugated Linoleic Acids) and these CLAs aid weight loss, reduce body fat and increase lean muscle (which is why athletes eat steak and eggs);

CLA helps to prevent cancer and can slow the growth of tumours of the skin, breast, prostate and colon;

Grass-fed beef is as lean as a skinless chicken breast.

So far, so utterly astonishing. But actually it’s not so astonishing: more than five years go, author and activist Michael Pollan pointed out that “most of the nutritional advice we’ve received over the last half century [and in particular the advice to replace the fats in our diets with carbohydrates] has actually made us less healthy and considerably fatter”.

siochain

Zillah wrote: »

I found this a suspicious thing to say: "This applies to fructose from added sugars, NOT the natural sugars found in fruits."

Fructose that is added is bad, but fructose from fruit is magically ok? Why would my liver care what the source was?

It's not so bad in fruit due the fruits other content. Take apples for example the benifits in the pectin fiber out way the negatives of the fructose. Even still I would keep most fruits for post workouts.

Zillah

siochain wrote: »

It's not so bad in fruit due the fruits other content. Take apples for example the benifits in the pectin fiber out way the negatives of the fructose. Even still I would keep most fruits for post workouts.

There is a difference between saying "Fruit is not bad for you" and saying "The fructose in fruit is not bad for you". He implies the latter, which I find hard to believe. Maybe he just means that fructose occurs in relative small quantities in fruit and they have so much else in them that is good that fruit is good for you, but that's not clear at all. As he phrases it I could eat kilos of fruit every day without a problem because apparently the fructose in them is different to other fructose.

Alf Veedersane

Meat is bad for me? I'm going to root in the bin for the weeds i rooted up earlier. Bit of turmeric and they'll be oh so tasty.

Heat_Wave

Read Alan Carr's weightloss book recently and he goes on and on about how great fruit is for you as it's so nutritious and easily digested by the body. Apparently it takes three days for the body to digest meat. Herbivore animals like Elephants and Rhinos have a huge physique and are able to maintain it without the need for meat.

- According to Alan Carr

Alf Veedersane

Heat_Wave wrote: »

Read Alan Carr's weightloss book recently and he goes on and on about how great fruit is for you as it's so nutritious and easily digested by the body. Apparently it takes three days for the body to digest meat. Herbivore animals like Elephants and Rhinos have a huge physique and are able to maintain it without the need for meat.

- According to Alan Carr

He should stick to the 'jokes'...

rocky

You forgot Number 13.


Are they saying this is not a myth? 12. Sugar is Bad Because it Contains “Empty” Calories

It is bad, but not only because it contains empty calories... and then go on to say sugar in excess will cause all ills known to man. Name a food that in excess won't cause problems?

I saw somewhere that the daily sugar intake (probably for Americans) is around 110g a day?? Which means that some go even higher than that. I'm not afraid of sugar and most I can get through in a day is about 50g.

nicowa

rocky wrote: »

You forgot Number 13.


Are they saying this is not a myth? 12. Sugar is Bad Because it Contains “Empty” Calories

It is bad, but not only because it contains empty calories... and then go on to say sugar in excess will cause all ills known to man. Name a food that in excess won't cause problems?

I saw somewhere that the daily sugar intake (probably for Americans) is around 110g a day?? Which means that some go even higher than that. I'm not afraid of sugar and most I can get through in a day is about 50g.

So what would be a good amount of sugar? Given that I eat porridge (with sugar), some fruit, a home made dinner (meat, two veg and either potato or rice) but maybe not a very good lunch. I also have a cup of tea with two sugars.

Would your described 50g be small? And therefore allowed?

Also, are oats as bad as wheat? I could maybe (though struggle) to cut bread from my diet, but I really enjoy my porridge.

rocky

nicowa wrote: »

So what would be a good amount of sugar? Given that I eat porridge (with sugar), some fruit, a home made dinner (meat, two veg and either potato or rice) but maybe not a very good lunch. I also have a cup of tea with two sugars.

Would your described 50g be small? And therefore allowed?

Also, are oats as bad as wheat? I could maybe (though struggle) to cut bread from my diet, but I really enjoy my porridge.

I'm not a low carb fanatic so may be the wrong person to ask. I don't have any absolute guidelines, like 50g good, 51g bad. Depending on your goals (weight loss, muscle gain etc) and your health, I usually aim for 1g protein per pound LBM, the rest is made up of anything I want (no, not McDonalds or bag fulls of sugar).

Lets say I'm a 200lbs man, wanting to gain muscle. My maintenance is 2700kcals, aim to get 3000kcals daily, made out of:
- at least 200g protein, 800kcals
- at least 50g fat, 450kcals

which leaves 1750kcals to use as you want; add some protein, carbs, fat in any combination. Do you want them in 437g of sugar? be my guest

BTW, when people say they are addicted to sugar, how far do they get eating sugar out of a bag? Or are they addicted to doughnuts, icecream, chocolate etc - all of which are fat + carbs. But it's the sugar in it that's addictive? Or eat as much honey as you want - I guarantee for 99% of the population, (excluding Furious Pete), 2 tablespoons will make you nauseous

siochain

media getting it right again :eek:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-2472672/Is-high-fat-diet-GOOD-heart-Doctors-say-carbs-damaging-arteries.html

Is a high-fat diet GOOD for the heart? Doctors say carbs are more damaging to the arteries than butter or cream
Experts claim false interpretation of scientific studies has led to millions being 'over-medicated'

Doctors claim it is time to 'bust the myth' of the role of saturated fat in heart disease
Some nations are adopting dietary guidelines to encourage high-fat foods

Dolbert

Alf Veedersane wrote: »

He should stick to the 'jokes'...

Different guy

traco

Heres an article from Sweden throwing their analysis into the mix, bit sensationalist at times but worth a read - question is have they all flipped too far now??

________________________________________
Opening Paragragh:

by Brian Shilhavy
Health Impact News Editor

Sweden has become the first Western nation to develop national dietary guidelines that reject the popular low-fat diet dogma in favor of low-carb high-fat nutrition advice.

The switch in dietary advice followed the publication of a two-year study by the independent Swedish Council on Health Technology Assessment. The committee reviewed 16,000 studies published through May 31, 2013.

http://healthimpactnews.com/2013/sweden-becomes-first-western-nation-to-reject-low-fat-diet-dogma-in-favor-of-low-carb-high-fat-nutrition/

rocky

Yeah, lets single out one macronutrient to blame for the 'obesity epidemic', that worked so well in the past.

Just because fat/saturated fat is not bad for you as previously thought, doesn't mean the more fat the better. Fluffy, large LDL, good, compared to small dense LDL - bad. Guess what the size difference is between fluuffles and small?

Too Tough To Die

I still don't know what the f*ck i'm supposed to eat.

siochain

rocky wrote: »

Yeah, lets single out one macronutrient to blame for the 'obesity epidemic', that worked so well in the past.

Just because fat/saturated fat is not bad for you as previously thought, doesn't mean the more fat the better. Fluffy, large LDL, good, compared to small dense LDL - bad. Guess what the size difference is between fluuffles and small?

Missing the point.
LDL is fine in the absence of inflammation.
LDL is fine when you ignore the myths listed above.

Bolikov

Too Tough To Die wrote: »

I still don't know what the f*ck i'm supposed to eat.

Eat meat, organs, fish, eggs, fruit, veg, real butter and coconut oil. If you have no issues with dairy then have full fat milk, cream and cheese.

rocky

siochain wrote: »

Missing the point.
LDL is fine in the absence of inflammation.
LDL is fine when you ignore the myths listed above.

How is inflammation measured.
Any LDL is fine when eating LCHF?

rocky

Too Tough To Die wrote: »

I still don't know what the f*ck i'm supposed to eat.

What foods do you like? list them...

siochain

rocky wrote: »

How is inflammation measured.
Any LDL is fine when eating LCHF?

1 Blood tests - C-reactive protein is one of the markers - try google for the others

2 yes, unless you have other CVD risks, smoker, high lp(a) etc.

rocky

siochain wrote: »

1 Blood tests - C-reactive protein is one of the markers - try google for the others

Low carbohydrate, high fat diet increases C-reactive protein during weight loss.

siochain

rocky wrote: »

Low carbohydrate, high fat diet increases C-reactive protein during weight loss.

Hard to assess with out seeing the full studies, anyone have full access?

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/24075505/?i=8&from=C-reactive%20high%20fat

Consuming a hypocaloric high fat low carbohydrate diet for 12weeks lowers C-reactive protein, and raises serum adiponectin and high density lipoprotein-cholesterol in obese subjects.

Alf Veedersane

I really just want to go out and eat a sh*t ton of meat now.

judgefudge

So is it better to drink full fat milk than low fat milk? In the same volume.

And why?

thegreatiam

judgefudge wrote: »

So is it better to drink full fat milk than low fat milk? In the same volume.

And why?

yes.

your body needs fats