new pool in Ross

gumgum1

Hi I'm just wondering is the new pool in Ross open and if not when is it due to be open
Thanks in advance

allthedoyles

Opening October 26th

https://www.facebook.com/TheApexnewross

a fat guy

"The Apex" eh?

Looks miles better than the pool near the library!

gumgum1

allthedoyles wrote: »

Opening October 26th

https://www.facebook.com/TheApexnewross[/
URL]

Thank you

cabledude

I spoke to the one of the owners of the contractors who built the place. He said that is was one of the finest jobs they have worked on in years. Massive space inside and out. All top notch gear inside from the filtration plants to the design of the changing halls. Sounds very impressive. Looking forward to it's opening.

Also I'm looking forward to what offers they will have on the Gym Gym/Pool membership.

Squiggle

cabledude wrote: »

I spoke to the one of the owners of the contractors who built the place. He said that is was one of the finest jobs they have worked on in years. Massive space inside and out. All top notch gear inside from the filtration plants to the design of the changing halls. Sounds very impressive. Looking forward to it's opening.

Also I'm looking forward to what offers they will have on the Gym Gym/Pool membership.

Facility opening next Saturday, manager appointed a few months ago and I haven't seen one add about membership anywhere - nothing on twitter or Facebook either about rates. Doesn't inspire me with confidence. The fact that the whole place has been sitting there idle for months now doesn't either I have to say !.

cabledude

Squiggle wrote: »

Facility opening next Saturday, manager appointed a few months ago and I haven't seen one add about membership anywhere - nothing on twitter or Facebook either about rates. Doesn't inspire me with confidence. The fact that the whole place has been sitting there idle for months now doesn't either I have to say !.

It really is joke, isn't it. The main contractor told me in Mid MAy that they were finishing snagging and would be handing over keys in 1 week. Its November in a weeks time. The manager should have been appointed when the final fixing was being done. The manager then should have been tasked with getting the place ready for business a.s.a.p. One of the best summers in my life time and this fantastic facility was closed.

oldyouth

Must be trying to get the urine up to the optimum level

cabledude

oldyouth wrote: »

Must be trying to get the urine up to the optimum level

Yea, there are those that will p1ss all over everything.

allthedoyles

Anyone know what time its opening Saturday , so I can avoid the mob of local politicians jostling for ego positions ?

Dilbert75

10am according to Facebook.

allthedoyles

66_Lad

allthedoyles wrote: »

Tasty rates there...check out the FB page, getting plenty of comments re the prices. I know its top quality facility but think the membership rates are way too high and say they will struggle to sign up the numbers they have aimed for.

vicwatson

allthedoyles wrote: »

Anyone know what time its opening Saturday , so I can avoid the mob of local politicians jostling for ego positions ?

And Kehoe will be top of the line don't you know

Dilbert75

66_Lad wrote: »

Tasty rates there...check out the FB page, getting plenty of comments re the prices. I know its top quality facility but think the membership rates are way too high and say they will struggle to sign up the numbers they have aimed for.

Too right. The comparison vs Wexford pool prices is pretty stark.

66_Lad

Dilbert75 wrote: »

Too right. The comparison vs Wexford pool prices is pretty stark.

I work for a company in Wex town and I asked Whites Hotel for a corporate rate offer for pool only for a yr...was getting 216 for the yr vs 425 in the Apex and Whites is extremely nice also. Rejoined Whitford due to location (can go at lunch for session ) in the end and got it for 275. Can't justify over 400 for pool only imo

She bangs She bangs

Bit of a reaction on facebook to the prices from the people of new ross.......people are not happy.

oldyouth

Looks like a bit of momentum gathering for a protest tomorrow. Will the politicians cry off the photo opportunity? Will they f**k

cabledude

She bangs She bangs wrote: »

Bit of a reaction on facebook to the prices from the people of new ross.......people are not happy.

Undoubtedly the understatement of the year. People are livid. There is going to be a big protest tomorrow at the opening. Whoever came up with that pricing structure are morons.

allthedoyles

If this headline is to be believed , it would contradict a lot that has been said about New Ross people unwilling to work on other threads

The general consensus on the ground is that the jobs are just not there / no vacancies anywhere.

There will always be a section of locals that are not willing to work / apply for jobs , but the main reason in the current climate is that the jobs are simply not there .

But if 700 people apply for one vacancy ,it shows the commitment of many to continue jobseeking .

cabledude

allthedoyles wrote: »

If this headline is to be believed , it would contradict a lot that has been said about New Ross people unwilling to work on other threads

Haven't seen much of this on Boards.ie to be honest. What thread is it in?

The general consensus on the ground is that the jobs are just not there / no vacancies anywhere.

Correct.

There will always be a section of locals that are not willing to work / apply for jobs , but the main reason in the current climate is that the jobs are simply not there .

You'll get that in every town/village/city/community/tribe etc. There are many in New Ross that WILL NOT work. But there are multiples of that number that WANT more than anything to work

hypersonic

do they have coin operated lockers? or do you bring your own lock?

marob1969

hypersonic wrote: »

do they have coin operated lockers? or do you bring your own lock?

€1 coin operated.

allthedoyles

The Apex has a new special offer :

Fiver Friday

Use the pool or gym for Only €5 any Friday between now and Christmas.



And that's not all, it's only €10 for a family of 2 adults and 2 children. that's half price!

marob1969

allthedoyles wrote: »

The Apex has a new special offer :

Fiver Friday

Use the pool or gym for Only €5 any Friday between now and Christmas.



And that's not all, it's only €10 for a family of 2 adults and 2 children. that's half price!

Do you know if the family deal is also only applicable on Fridays between now and Christmas, or does it apply every day?

She bangs She bangs

They had to do something. Hardly any cars in the carpark most times I pass.

allthedoyles

marob1969 wrote: »

Do you know if the family deal is also only applicable on Fridays between now and Christmas, or does it apply every day?

Fridays only as far as I know

cabledude

Roof of pool badly damaged in todays windstorm.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4aQmfU_O41Q

vicwatson

cabledude wrote: »

Roof of pool badly damaged in todays windstorm.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4aQmfU_O41Q

Someone other than mother nature has to be to blame for this??

I understand the winds were exceptional but buildings of 100+ years remain intact whilst this brand new building received serious damage.

Hate to be the architect, engineer, planning or design consultant or builder - a tad embarrassing imo.

bruschi

vicwatson wrote: »

Someone other than mother nature has to be to blame for this??

I understand the winds were exceptional but buildings of 100+ years remain intact whilst this brand new building received serious damage.

Hate to be the architect, engineer, planning or design consultant or builder - a tad embarrassing imo.

and you missed the biggest culprit of them all there, the subcontractor who installed the roof. they will be the ones under the biggest pressure.

Dilbert75

bruschi wrote: »

and you missed the biggest culprit of them all there, the subcontractor who installed the roof. they will be the ones under the biggest pressure.

FB is rife with unfounded comments like that and assigning blame without evidence could land you and Boards in legal trouble if you're not careful.

It's possible that the roof design wasn't suitable for the wind loads experienced on Wednesday. It's possible that it was adequately designed but that it wasn't built correctly. It's possible that it was designed and built exactly right but there was a defect in one piece of materials which caused a weakness which led to the roof failure. It might have taken just one rivet to fail to allow the wind under some flashing to allow the wind under the sheeting. Once the wind got under it, it was already lost.

allthedoyles

I can see only one culprit in this case , and that is what we call Mother Nature , or the nature of the beast .

Those were serious winds on Weds afternoon , and many roofs in sheltered locations were torn off easily .

Rivets , screws , nails or whatever , it would have needed to be welded to withstand that weather , especially with its location , where it had no shelter whatsoever .

volku

I heard it will take 6 months to get the roof back

but if it's true I wished the main pool was extended to 25m (at the moment is 20m long) and with steps and lines for the swimming competitions in our town or region.

I cannot understand why it was not done
there are rows of seats for viewers and the swimming pool should be prepared for any competitions of young swimmers.
And would bring extra visitors to New Ross

the baby pool and small pool are way too big anyway

volku

sorry I checked again
it is 25m long (theapex.ie)

seemed shorter to me?


I and my family can't await seeing it back safe and sound

cabledude

Dilbert75 wrote: »

FB is rife with unfounded comments like that and assigning blame without evidence could land you and Boards in legal trouble if you're not careful.

It's possible that the roof design wasn't suitable for the wind loads experienced on Wednesday. It's possible that it was adequately designed but that it wasn't built correctly. It's possible that it was designed and built exactly right but there was a defect in one piece of materials which caused a weakness which led to the roof failure. It might have taken just one rivet to fail to allow the wind under some flashing to allow the wind under the sheeting. Once the wind got under it, it was already lost.

100% correct. The contractor that built the place, in this case Mythen Construction, or the roofing subcontractor have no blame here. They built the roof to the specifications laid down in the plans and planning permission. The engineers who signed off on the build will have ensured that the build was completed to the specs. Contractor and subs have no issues here.

The designers on the other hand may have some questions to answer.

Did they do wind tunnel modeling on the building to cater for 140+ Kmph winds?

If not, why?

I know that we in Ireland very rarely ge these types of windstorms. But buildings are always designed for abnormal loads. Abnormal being usual plus a pre determined percentage above this.

The playbarn building beside the pool complex did not suffer any damage. Nor did any of the premises on Woodbine business park. Or Lake region for example. All big buildings with large roofs.

An observation in this case would be that the profile and curvature of the roof mayhave been a factor. Not a flat or typical apex roof.

I will be very interested to see what the investigation into what happened here determines.

Dilbert75

I didn't say the contractors definitely didn't have some responsibility - I just said it's not definite that they did.

Remember the other side of the same building, built in the same location with the same materials by the same people, did not suffer damage. That leads me to believe that it's very possible that a very small fault somewhere led to a very large problem.

cabledude

Dilbert75 wrote: »

I didn't say the contractors definitely didn't have some responsibility - I just said it's not definite that they did.

Remember the other side of the same building, built in the same location with the same materials by the same people, did not suffer damage. That leads me to believe that it's very possible that a very small fault somewhere led to a very large problem.

I just can't help wondering if the curvature of the roof was an issue.

allthedoyles

I passed by there today at 12 , and there were at least 20 men plus a few machines working on it . ( including the town clerk and town manager )

Dilbert75

cabledude wrote: »

I just can't help wondering if the curvature of the roof was an issue.

It could turn out to be. But as yet we have no way of knowing.

kneemos

Dilbert75 wrote: »

I didn't say the contractors definitely didn't have some responsibility - I just said it's not definite that they did.

Remember the other side of the same building, built in the same location with the same materials by the same people, did not suffer damage. That leads me to believe that it's very possible that a very small fault somewhere led to a very large problem.

It would be a very poor design indeed if a single fault led to such a failure
Any sort of sheeting should be independently secured and not depending in its neighbour for security.Saw a farm building yesterday with two or three corrugated sheets peeled off like an orange,the rest of it however was fine.
What I saw of the sheeting on the telly looked very light and flexible,maybe this was a factor.

bruschi

Dilbert75 wrote: »

FB is rife with unfounded comments like that and assigning blame without evidence could land you and Boards in legal trouble if you're not careful.

It's possible that the roof design wasn't suitable for the wind loads experienced on Wednesday. It's possible that it was adequately designed but that it wasn't built correctly. It's possible that it was designed and built exactly right but there was a defect in one piece of materials which caused a weakness which led to the roof failure. It might have taken just one rivet to fail to allow the wind under some flashing to allow the wind under the sheeting. Once the wind got under it, it was already lost.

so mentioning, and not even their name, that the roofing subcontractor is going to be under pressure over the roof they installed being blown away could get boards into legal troubles? leave it out. there will be a serious amount of legalities about who will be at fault, but neither the main contractor nor the subcontractor will be completley left out of the discussions. I attributed no blame to any, just said they will be under the most pressure, which they are, along with the other elements of the construction team involved.

cabledude

bruschi wrote: »

so mentioning, and not even their name, that the roofing subcontractor is going to be under pressure over the roof they installed being blown away could get boards into legal troubles? leave it out. there will be a serious amount of legalities about who will be at fault, but neither the main contractor nor the subcontractor will be completley left out of the discussions. I attributed no blame to any, just said they will be under the most pressure, which they are, along with the other elements of the construction team involved.

The main contractor was Mythen Construction. I know the Mythen brothers. They are an excellent company.

They followed the designs handed to them. Simple as that.

Honohan Architects were the designers. If anyone has questions, these guys will be first up.....

bruschi

cabledude wrote: »

The main contractor was Mythen Construction. I know the Mythen brothers. They are an excellent company.

They followed the designs handed to them. Simple as that.

Honohan Architects were the designers. If anyone has questions, these guys will be first up.....

if anyone has any questions? as if there is doubt to it?

If you really think that either the main contractor or the sub contractor who did the roofing will be coming out of this without any questions being posed or asked of them, then I dont know. As I said, everyone will be doing what they can to blame someone else, and it will take a full report to come to a conclusion to it. But for now, they will all be asked questions and will all be involved in the clean up porcess and eventually the reinstallation. If you think just because they followed an architects plans that that absolves them of all responsiblilty then again, I dont know.

cabledude

bruschi wrote: »

if anyone has any questions? as if there is doubt to it?

If you really think that either the main contractor or the sub contractor who did the roofing will be coming out of this without any questions being posed or asked of them, then I dont know. As I said, everyone will be doing what they can to blame someone else, and it will take a full report to come to a conclusion to it. But for now, they will all be asked questions and will all be involved in the clean up porcess and eventually the reinstallation. If you think just because they followed an architects plans that that absolves them of all responsiblilty then again, I dont know.

I hear ya. I suppose what I'm trying to get across is that the builders, whether they are main or sub contractors, followed the plans and the contracts. If they didn't follow the contract they would not have been paid for the work.

If the contract stipulated that the roof be made of pallets and clad in straw, thats what they would have done.

The designers who designed and the engineers who supervised the build will have to most questions here. Thats the simple fact.

Suppose the builders were to get a phone call from the investigator.

It would probably go something like this

Investigator - Hello Mr. Builder, I'm wondering if you have anything to say about the recent failure of the roof in the Apex complex in New Ross during the storm of 12th Feb?

Builder - Not a lot as it happens. Terrible storm. We built the facility using the plans and specifications given to us by the client and their designers. Their engineers oversaw that we built the facility to the drawings and specs. We used the specified materials and techniques. Nothing more I can add I'm afraid.

Simple......

bruschi

cabledude wrote: »

I hear ya. I suppose what I'm trying to get across is that the builders, whether they are main or sub contractors, followed the plans and the contracts. If they didn't follow the contract they would not have been paid for the work.

If the contract stipulated that the roof be made of pallets and clad in straw, thats what they would have done.

The designers who designed and the engineers who supervised the build will have to most questions here. Thats the simple fact.

Suppose the builders were to get a phone call from the investigator.

It would probably go something like this

Investigator - Hello Mr. Builder, I'm wondering if you have anything to say about the recent failure of the roof in the Apex complex in New Ross during the storm of 12th Feb?

Builder - Not a lot as it happens. Terrible storm. We built the facility using the plans and specifications given to us by the client and their designers. Their engineers oversaw that we built the facility to the drawings and specs. We used the specified materials and techniques. Nothing more I can add I'm afraid.

Simple......

if only it was that simple. alas, thats not how things work.

cabledude

I heard today, from a very reliable source, that all the staff of the Apex were left go today.

The insurance does not extend to protecting the wages of the staff while the repairs are being carried out.

Sad.

Dilbert75

Heard that too. I was shocked and horrified.

oldyouth

Anyone know how long repairs are expected to take?

Bad news for the staff

Dilbert75

I've not heard yet and, despite having a membership, haven't yet been contacted about what's happening, which is very poor form.

cabledude

oldyouth wrote: »

Anyone know how long repairs are expected to take?

Bad news for the staff

There is talk of it taking 6 months. I know some of the staff. Sickening stuff.

Dilbert75 wrote: »

I've not heard yet and, despite having a membership, haven't yet been contacted about what's happening, which is very poor form.

They have been all over Facebook saying that direct debits have been suspended.

Also, here is what they said yesterday. (I put this up in case you are not on FB)

Over
the last week, we have tried contacting all customers regarding swimming lessons
and membership queries. For those of whom we were unable to speak with directly,
the following phone number & email is now active and we would be happy to
assist you with your queries. The telephone number is 051445522. Once you are
connected please press 9 to leave a message and we will return your call ASAP or
else email us at info@theapex.ie
We
look forward to welcoming all our customers back when we reopen and thank you
all for your continued support.

Dilbert75

I saw that but they got my name, address, phone numbers and email address - but have been unable to contact me (or one of the guys I work with either). I don't think it's adequate to put a post on Facebook and invite people to contact them. Communication with customers remains a very weak point with Apex management.