Streaker commits suicide

RandomName2

'Murica shows how its done in relation to maturity to sex, nudity and "sex offences". 15 year old commits suicide after being arrested for streaking at high school game and facing being put on sex-offender list.

frozenfrozen

being a sex offender should be like being in an elite club

My name is URL

How in the name of jesus could any logically minded person consider that a sexual offence?

Artful_Badger

OP should be on the sex offenders register for posting a young turks youtube clip as a source.

SV

My name is URL wrote: »

How in the name of jesus could any logically minded person consider that a sexual offence?

There's people in Ireland on the sex offenders list for urinating near a childrens playground at 3am.

My name is URL

SV wrote: »

There's people in Ireland on the sex offenders list for urinating near a childrens playground at 3am.

Wow.. I can't even imagine how a court could arrive at the conclusion that urinating equates to a sex crime.

Surely 'sexual offences' are sexually motivated by nature? Urinating and streaking aren't things that tend to be sexually motivated =/

The law really is an ass sometimes.

RandomName2

Artful_Badger wrote: »

OP should be on the sex offenders register for posting a young turks youtube clip as a source.

I can do worse.

DAILY MAIL

MadYaker

Thread title gave me the impression he committed suicide while streaking. Now that would have been something.

JuliusCaesar

My name is URL wrote: »

How in the name of jesus could any logically minded person consider that a sexual offence?

Because his willy was seen!

And everyone knows that the willy is the most shocking sight: it is likely to render women MAD with lust, they can't control themselves, and they rush to touch the sacred article like bees to honey.





(At least, this is what guys on the internet like to think...


but seriously, it's Durty! Put that away! )






Really seriously that is a tragic story. Feckin' Puritans. As if half the population didn't have one under his clothes.

M5

If you "expose yourself" within 200m or a school/college your automatically on the sex offenders list in some states in the USA. Your also not allowed to state why your on it when you tell you do your rounds informing your neighbours you are on the list!

A m8 had a sneaky slash after a night out down a laneway in a college town in AZ, was caught, charged and informed of the sex offenders list punishment. As he was Irish he managed to play the dumb card and get away with it.

Common sense does not prevail in the eyes of the law in the USA all too often

Killer Wench

I think many Americans are irrational towards the sex offender registry. They assume that all of the people listed there are pedophiles or rapists who are out there just waiting to strike. Some are. Many probably are.

But, I got crucified, once, for arguing that not all registrants are sex-crazed animals looking for their next victim. I remember a story involving a kid mooning his teacher and he had to register for the rest of his life as a sex offender. It's over reaching.

darkpagandeath

so half the tribes in Africa are sex offenders ? nothing rude about the human form. me thinks these laws are more for lawyers in the good old Usa.

say someone was walking around in there house naked the net curtain fell down someone's 3 year old viewed there lad. Would that be case to go on the list ?

clairefontaine

My name is URL wrote: »

How in the name of jesus could any logically minded person consider that a sexual offence?

Because we take good ideas and bring them to ridiculous extremes.

RandomName2

Killer Wench wrote: »

I think many Americans are irrational towards the sex offender registry. They assume that all of the people listed there are pedophiles or rapists who are out there just waiting to strike. Some are. Many probably are.

But, I got crucified, once, for arguing that not all registrants are sex-crazed animals looking for their next victim. I remember a story involving a kid mooning his teacher and he had to register for the rest of his life as a sex offender. It's over reaching.

Actually I don't suppose we can be too high and mighty. If two 16 year olds in Ireland have sex they are both considered to be rapists. Oh, and there's plans to create a similar sex offender list here too.

clairefontaine

Killer Wench wrote: »

I think many Americans are irrational towards the sex offender registry. They assume that all of the people listed there are pedophiles or rapists who are out there just waiting to strike. Some are. Many probably are.

But, I got crucified, once, for arguing that not all registrants are sex-crazed animals looking for their next victim. I remember a story involving a kid mooning his teacher and he had to register for the rest of his life as a sex offender. It's over reaching.

100% totally agree with this. It's way way out of hand.

But the result is now when I hear a "sex offender" lives two blocks away, my response is "meh." It could mean anything.

As a parent, I can tell you it's made me insanely vigilant with my own boy about making is sure his pants are pulled up all the time and private areas etc.

Rho b

Really tragic. Sympathies to his parents, family and friends.
TBH I am surprised as some of the above posts. As far as I am concerned the USA is way OTT.

mikemac1

RandomName2 wrote: »

Actually I don't suppose we can be too high and mighty. If two 16 year olds in Ireland have sex they are both considered to be rapists. Oh, and there's plans to create a similar sex offender list here too.

The lad is guilty, the girl is not charged

Michael McDowell talked a lot about it back in the day. Known in the media as the Romeo & Juliet law

clairefontaine

JuliusCaesar wrote: »

Because his willy was seen!

And everyone knows that the willy is the most shocking sight: it is likely to render women MAD with lust, they can't control themselves, and they rush to touch the sacred article like bees to honey.





(At least, this is what guys on the internet like to think...


but seriously, it's Durty! Put that away! )






Really seriously that is a tragic story. Feckin' Puritans. As if half the population didn't have one under his clothes.

Yep. America is penis phobic for sure.

darkpagandeath

clairefontaine wrote: »

Yep. America is penis phobic for sure.

Yeah sure they don't have any porn at all ?

blackwhite

RandomName2 wrote: »

Actually I don't suppose we can be too high and mighty. If two 16 year olds in Ireland have sex they are both considered to be rapists. Oh, and there's plans to create a similar sex offender list here too.

No no.... if it's a boy and a girl then just the boy is a rapist. Under Irish law the girl is a victim of this consensual act :rolleyes:

ScrubsfanChris

While that verdict is pretty dumb....
I've No time for people who commit suicide over trivial things (I do feel sorry for the families left behind)

People are getting soft.

Killer Wench

clairefontaine wrote: »

Yep. America is penis phobic for sure.

No, America is pretty fine with penises. That's why a movie including a fellatio scene gets an R rating. A movie involving cunnilingus gets an NC-17 rating. Americans are not fine with seeing girly bits.

Killer Wench

RandomName2 wrote: »

Actually I don't suppose we can be too high and mighty. If two 16 year olds in Ireland have sex they are both considered to be rapists. Oh, and there's plans to create a similar sex offender list here too.

I would be curious what the perimeters would be with your list. Here, people who register cannot live within a specific mileage of a school, playground, or other public space where children frequent. These are also publicly viewed list. I can go online and type in my address and find the address of every offender near my house. I'll learn their name, race, height, weight, and crime.

clairefontaine

Killer Wench wrote: »

No, America is pretty fine with penises. That's why a movie including a fellatio scene gets an R rating. A movie involving cunnilingus gets an NC-17 rating. Americans are not fine with seeing girly bits.

Yeah that's why circumcision is the default setting.

A movie is not considered pornography unless there is a visible erect penis. That is the line that is drawn.

clairefontaine

Killer Wench wrote: »

I would be curious what the perimeters would be with your list. Here, people who register cannot live within a specific mileage of a school, playground, or other public space where children frequent. These are also publicly viewed list. I can go online and type in my address and find the address of every offender near my house. I'll learn their name, race, height, weight, and crime.

Exactly. But you can't know how many guns your next door neighbour has in the basement.

Czarcasm

It's not that the law is an ass, it's that people who don't inform themselves about the law are asses, and that's why they act like the law doesn't apply to them.

Being put on the sex offenders register isn't what caused the teenager to take his own life, he made that decision of his own accord, just like he made the decision to streak when he was aware that he could be punished for it. He chose to forego the consequences of his actions. You can't blame the law for that.

clairefontaine

Czarcasm wrote: »

It's not that the law is an ass, it's that people who don't inform themselves about the law are asses, and that's why they act like the law doesn't apply to them.

Being put on the sex offenders register isn't what caused the teenager to take his own life, he made that decision of his own accord, just like he made the decision to streak when he was aware that he could be punished for it. He chose to forego the consequences of his actions. You can't blame the law for that.

He was 15 years old ffs. If you were talking about an adult, fair enough. A child? No.

vicwatson

Bloody hell - the kid was just 15 FFS ! COMMON SENSE ALERT.

mikemac1

Killer Wench wrote: »

I would be curious what the perimeters would be with your list. Here, people who register cannot live within a specific mileage of a school, playground, or other public space where children frequent. These are also publicly viewed list. I can go online and type in my address and find the address of every offender near my house. I'll learn their name, race, height, weight, and crime.

It won't be anything as comprehensive as that

What is proposed is say you have a concern over your kids swimming coach, bus driver, neighbour, whoever then you can approach your local Garda station and a seargent will take your request. You can't deal with just any Garda here, there will be staff assigned to this role. 3 per division is the number I think I heard.

In time you'll get a report stating if that person has any convictions. Though to get such a job they would have been checked already but you can still check.

That's it, there is no website or public directory. If you want to check out people then you need to ask for that information and lodge a request.

JupiterKid

A nation of irrational puritans with little common sense to many unbelievably harsh and vengeful laws and widespread police brutality. This sad sad tale is an example of said irrational laws.

Puritanical communities are also usually the biggest consumers of pornography.

just_be_nice

“We live in a world where we have to hide to make love, while violence is practiced in broad daylight.”


― John Lennon

The One Who Knocks

SV wrote: »

There's people in Ireland on the sex offenders list for urinating near a childrens playground at 3am.

...and you know this how? :P

darkpagandeath

Czarcasm wrote: »

It's not that the law is an ass, it's that people who don't inform themselves about the law are asses, and that's why they act like the law doesn't apply to them.

Being put on the sex offenders register isn't what caused the teenager to take his own life, he made that decision of his own accord, just like he made the decision to streak when he was aware that he could be punished for it. He chose to forego the consequences of his actions. You can't blame the law for that.

No people assume the law will be used in the way it was designed/intended. No to be used as a tool for lawyers to further there carers by getting some ridicules landmark ruling. Then that sets a precedent that’s then used by other lawyers... You know just like all these murderers and so on geting off by lawyers twisting the law..

Vicar in a tutu

ScrubsfanChris wrote: »

While that verdict is pretty dumb....
I've No time for people who commit suicide over trivial things (I do feel sorry for the families left behind)

People are getting soft.

but in fairness to a teenager this could be the end of the world in his eyes. teenagers aren't the most logical of people. could you imagine the panic you'd feel at that age if that were you?

Howard Juneau

just_be_nice wrote: »

“We live in a world where we have to hide to make love, while violence is practiced in broad daylight.”


― John Lennon

A whop bop-a-lu a whop bam boo

-- Little Richard

Killer Wench

Czarcasm wrote: »

It's not that the law is an ass, it's that people who don't inform themselves about the law are asses, and that's why they act like the law doesn't apply to them.

Being put on the sex offenders register isn't what caused the teenager to take his own life, he made that decision of his own accord, just like he made the decision to streak when he was aware that he could be punished for it. He chose to forego the consequences of his actions. You can't blame the law for that.

The mess that drove this kid to choose to die rather than live under a lifelong stigma is the 'ass'. Streaking is something done as a prank. I certainly wouldn't want to see his dangly bits, but he faced the same 'sentence' as a person who raped ten women.

Americans are hysterical when it comes to these registries. Claire does have that right. It seems the same people that propose these sex offender registries are the same people adamantly against gun ownership registries. Why? They know the level of scrutiny they will receive if they were ever put on one.

Killer Wench

darkpagandeath wrote: »

No people assume the law will be used in the way it was designed/intended. No to be used as a tool for lawyers to further there carers by getting some ridicules landmark ruling. Then that sets a precedent that’s then used by other lawyers... You know just like all these murderers and so on get off by lawyers twisting the law..

You know, by education, I'm a lawyer and I think the sex offender registry system can be re-fitted. The problem isn't with lawyers. The problem rests usually with overly-concerned individuals who believe that everyone is out there to harm them and their families. It is the same "I don't want to be a victim" mentality that drives gun obsession here in the States.

SV

Jamez735 wrote: »

...and you know this how? :P

I really needed a piss.

Seachmall

Killer Wench wrote: »

You know, by education, I'm a lawyer

I'm a lawyer too!

But by magic.

My name is URL

Czarcasm wrote: »

It's not that the law is an ass, it's that people who don't inform themselves about the law are asses, and that's why they act like the law doesn't apply to them.

That's certainly true a lot of the time, but in this case the law definitely is an ass too.. unless you agree with the idea that a totally non-sexual thing can be viewed as a 'sex crime'.

Call it indecency or obscenity or whatever else, but a sex crime it is not.

Killer Wench

That should have been: The problem ISN'T with lawyers.

I need coffee.

clairefontaine

My name is URL wrote: »

That's certainly true a lot of the time, but in this case the law definitely is an ass too.. unless you agree with the idea that a totally non-sexual thing can be viewed as a 'sex crime'.

Call it indecency or obscenity or whatever else, but a sex crime it is not.

And yet if a girl kicks a boy in the balls, its funny.

Czarcasm

clairefontaine wrote: »

He was 15 years old ffs. If you were talking about an adult, fair enough. A child? No.

At 15 he's not a child Claire, he's a teenager, old enough to know that there would be consequences for his actions.

vicwatson wrote: »

Bloody hell - the kid was just 15 FFS ! COMMON SENSE ALERT.

Common sense should have been applied in the first place by the teenager, then all the follow on mess from that could've been avoided.

Are all 15 year olds now expected not to be held responsible for their actions?

If you want to go down that road, it should apply across the board to all 15 year olds, not just exceptional special set circumstances applicable only for one particular 15 year old.

just_be_nice

Howard Juneau wrote: »

A whop bop-a-lu a whop bam boo

-- Little Richard

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j20_6WwF59Y

RandomName2

Czarcasm wrote: »

At 15 he's not a child Claire, he's a teenager, old enough to know that there would be consequences for his actions.


Common sense should have been applied in the first place by the teenager, then all the follow on mess from that could've been avoided.

Are all 15 year olds now expected not to be held responsible for their actions?

If you want to go down that road, it should apply across the board to all 15 year olds, not just exceptional special set circumstances applicable only for one particular 15 year old.

Just like the White Roses should have been old enough to realise the consequences of their actions?

It wasn't the kid's fault that he lived in a crazy country.

clairefontaine

Czarcasm wrote: »

At 15 he's not a child Claire, he's a teenager, old enough to know that there would be consequences for his actions.





Common sense should have been applied in the first place by the teenager, then all the follow on mess from that could've been avoided.

Are all 15 year olds now expected not to be held responsible for their actions?

If you want to go down that road, it should apply across the board to all 15 year olds, not just exceptional special set circumstances applicable only for one particular 15 year old.

In any other crime, once you turn 18 it gets wiped off your record, including murder.

But streak or piss in the wrong place and your damned for like.

15 is still a kid. If he can't order a beer like an adult or sit on a juryhe should not be held to adult legal liabilities.

Would you accept a jury full of 15 year olds?

Czarcasm

My name is URL wrote: »

That's certainly true a lot of the time, but in this case the law definitely is an ass too.. unless you agree with the idea that a totally non-sexual thing can be viewed as a 'sex crime'.

Call it indecency or obscenity or whatever else, but a sex crime it is not.

Ohh I certainly don't agree with the law at all URL, nor the idea that the teenager would go on the sex offenders register (as KW and Claire have pointed out- it's a complete mockery at this stage, KW can't take it seriously, and Claire has to make sure her boy is zipped up at all times)...

BUT, having said that - the law IS the law, and if you want to do something that contravenes that law, by all means, go ahead, as long as you're prepared to deal with the consequences, and this teenager was old enough to understand the possible consequences of his actions.

Howard Juneau

Czarcasm wrote: »

Ohh I certainly don't agree with the law at all URL, nor the idea that the teenager would go on the sex offenders register (as KW and Claire have pointed out- it's a complete mockery at this stage, KW can't take it seriously, and Claire has to make sure her boy is zipped up at all times)...

BUT, having said that - the law IS the law, and if you want to do something that contravenes that law, by all means, go ahead, as long as you're prepared to deal with the consequences, and this teenager was old enough to understand the possible consequences of his actions.

Said teen probably had no idea of the law or the possibile consequences, hence his suicide

Quixoticelixer

ScrubsfanChris wrote: »

While that verdict is pretty dumb....
I've No time for people who commit suicide over trivial things (I do feel sorry for the families left behind)

People are getting soft.

Does the fact that people commit suicide over "trivial" things not indicate to you that they are mentally unwell?

Nobody of a sound mind decides to kill themselves over something trivial. In fact, you could argue that nobody of a sound mind kills themself full stop. There is an underlying mental health issue.

In this case, it's a 15 year old kid. A teenager hasn't reached mental maturity, they don't handle things the same way adults do, and this kid was put on a list in the company of rapists and pedophiles because of a harmless prank that hurt nobody. It was a dumb thing to do but the consequences for him were extraordinarily harsh, and just plain wrong.

Also, what do you consider an acceptable non-trivial reason for a person to take their own life?

Andrewf20

The USA is great on many fronts, however the law at times seems completely idiotic. This story reminds me of this other case recently...

http://edition.cnn.com/2013/07/02/tech/social-media/facebook-threat-carter/index.html

darkpagandeath

Andrewf20 wrote: »

The USA is great on many fronts, however the law at times seems completely idiotic. This story reminds me of this other case recently...

http://edition.cnn.com/2013/07/02/tech/social-media/facebook-threat-carter/index.html

There's loads of that. people from the uk getting put on the no fly terror list for making stupid comments. Maybe check there affiliated with terror groups first and not just banning normal people for being stupid

And did a father not get done for a terror attack letting off a stink bomb ? looking at heavy jail time