'We Invented Jesus Christ'

Matt_Trakker

They surmised that the way to stop the spread of zealous Jewish missionary activity was to create a competing belief system. That's when the 'peaceful' Messiah story was invented. Instead of inspiring warfare, this Messiah urged turn-the-other-cheek pacifism and encouraged Jews to 'give onto Caesar' and pay their taxes to Rome."

What seems to have eluded many scholars is that the sequence of events and locations of Jesus ministry are more or less the same as the sequence of events and locations of the military campaign of [Emperor] Titus Flavius as described by Josephus. This is clear evidence of a deliberately constructed pattern.

from....
Ancient Confession Found: 'We Invented Jesus Christ'

http://uk.prweb.com/releases/2013/10/prweb11201273.htm

Well, that sorts that out then. Finally we can put that 'religion' to bed.
Any suggestions on how to get rid of the rest of them oh good peoples of AH?

Seachmall

"Pope announces dissolution of the Catholic Church after discovery."

Dyr

Holllyyy Sheeeeitttt! Lock this mother down boys!

Diabhal Beag

Well, at least religion had a nice aul run.

lahalane

But the rest is still true right?

Duckworth_Luas

Does he say which planet the aliens who wrote the confessions were from?

I haven't click on the link, just assuming aliens are involved.

Surely this would get a lot more media attention if it were true.

anncoates

I wish religion would die.

Then we could stop having to see smug, undergraduate, fish-in-barrell, fucking threads about it every 5 minutes.

bizmark

Deleted User wrote: »

Surely this would get a lot more media attention if it were true.

Surely the romans wouldnt of persecuted them so badly if it was true unless rome had a reaaaaaaally long view that would make the Chinese **** themselves in envy

I really want a Chinese right now.

ZiabR

Imagine that... all a lie, no...way...!

andyman

First thing that came to mind reading the thread title was this:

Sarky

Deleted User wrote: »

Surely this would get a lot more media attention if it were true.

Not necessarily. Academics moves slowly to accept new evidence (peer review is thorough, but takes a long time), and a lot of shocking stories that are definitely true never get the press they deserve.

If this did become established as compelling enough evidence to be accepted as fact, it would take ages, and would meet massive resistance from anyone invested in it not being true. And as we're all well aware by now, most of the religions based around jebubs are considerably wealthier than academic bodies.

It's unusual, and a little unlikely, but we'll have to wait and see to be sure, won't we?

Ace Attorney

In b4 angry email gets sent :pac:

Renegade Mechanic

BLASPHEMY!!!!!!!
I have never been so offended!! :mad:

Sounds plausible enough. We'll see how the whole peer review thing goes

General General

This news has been sent to test us.

MonstaMash

Renegade Mechanic wrote: »

BLASPHEMY!!!!!!!
I have never been so offended!! :mad:

General General wrote: »

This news has been sent to test us.

:pac::pac::pac:

Knex*

As much as I dislike it, if I was landed back into government of an ancient civilization, I'd be inventing Religion pretty sharpish to get things going my way.

Easiest way, really.

Interesting to see how the peer review goes, but quite plausible in my eyes.

maximoose

Headline is awfully misleading. It seems there is no actual "Yeah, we invented Jesus" type confession - just this guy saying he has found what he thinks proves Jesus was a fictional character based on someone else.

Shout Dust

It's a nonsense theory, and ironically has more holes than the bible.

Sarky

Shout Dust wrote: »

It's a nonsense theory, and ironically has more holes than the bible.

You've seen his research, then, and not just the bits the journalist picked out for that article?

gobnaitolunacy

Red Dwarf were on to something...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=suRzway95yI

Seaneh

bluewolf wrote: »

Sounds plausible enough. We'll see how the whole peer review thing goes

It actually sounds bat**** crazy, as it's generally accepted by pretty much all historical scholars of note that a man called Yeshua ben Yosef lived.

Then you have the fact that the the new testament blatantly paints Rome as "the enemy", how does that fit in with trying to pacify Jews in Palestine?


To be honest, it sounds like Da Vinci code-esque nonsense.

Seaneh

Seaneh wrote: »

It actually sounds bat**** crazy, as it's generally accepted by pretty much all historical scholars of note that a man called Yeshua ben Yosef lived..

I've heard of some disagreeing, but there you go
Not to mention "the presentation itself is crazy not because of its content but because I heard some other people disagree who haven't seen it" ?

And if it is nuts, the peer review will sort it out

Seaneh

Ah, ffs, this is the same conspiracy theorist who's been banging this drum since the 80's.

He's just pandering to tinfoil hat wearers, this **** is how he makes a living.

bizmark

But it wasn't till Constantine the great that Christianity became the state religion of the roman empire at lest 290 years after Jesus was (or ment to have been) born that's some forward planning wouldn't you think?on top of that there was quite a few emperors between then and year 1 that actively persecuted them on top of that the idea of Rome imposing a single believe in a single god goes completely against their own idea of religion and their pantheon of gods they didn't like Christians cause Christians would not believe in any god but their god.

This doesnt make sense from what i know

Seaneh

Sarky wrote: »

You've seen his research, then, and not just the bits the journalist picked out for that article?

I know you're going to be one of the first to jump on anything that potentially disproves the existence of a man called Yeshua ben Yosef, but bare in mind the author involved has roundly been rejected by the academic world as a charlatan, his last book "Ceasar's Christ" is the same theory as this current round of attention seeking, and was laughed at as nonsense.

Sandwlch

Kind of Jesus was PR spin doctor ?

Jimminy Mc Fukhead

The article only reveals that he has noticed patterns between two texts.
If he claims to have anything more than this then it's not worth talking about until he publishes that research.

Sarky

Seaneh wrote: »

I know you're going to be one of the first to jump on anything that potentially disproves the existence of a man called Yeshua ben Yosef, but bare in mind the author involved has roundly been rejected by the academic world as a charlatan, his last book "Ceasar's Christ" is the same theory as this current round of attention seeking, and was laughed at as nonsense.

"Let's wait and see how peer review deals with it" is jumping on anything that disproves your god, is it? Perhaps you'd like to notify the Boards.ie office about such a grossly offensive statement?

You'd get far less criticism for thin-skinned outrage if you didn't actually engage in it.

wp_rathead

Poor old Dav! will have a breakdown with this thread

Irishstabber

Seaneh wrote: »

Ah, ffs, this is the same conspiracy theorist who's been banging this drum since the 80's.

He's just pandering to tinfoil hat wearers, this **** is how he makes a living.

No, the tin foil hats are for those who believe a guy called Jesus Christ (Saviour Messiah) came to save all our souls. Died, was resurrected and will return again one day. Not to mention the bull**** miracles he supposedly performed. Which incidentally were, a lot of them, performed by Yeshua in the Old Testament. Regardless if the Romans created this work of fiction the whole idea of a magic man in the sky is bonkers.

I was thinking about this before.

As Seaneh has said, they've proven that a person by the name of Yeshua ben Yosef did live. But what if he was just a really great con artist and illusionist? I mean, it is somewhat possible since there have been 'magic' tricks that have dated back to around this period. So he does these, gets people really interested in what he can do and then a while after his death, some people fabricate the rest.

Son Of A Vidic

Matt_Trakker wrote: »

Well, that sorts that out then. Finally we can put that 'religion' to bed.

I see you have have decided for everyone then. But speaking of religion, Ironically, you might need to sort out your god complex and learn to start speaking for yourself.

Loomis

Some interesting reading here: http://tomverenna.wordpress.com/2012/09/25/no-joe-atwill-rome-did-not-invent-jesus/

It's still all crap anyway.

ScumLord

bizmark wrote: »

on top of that there was quite a few emperors between then and year 1 that actively persecuted them on

the Christians weren't persecuted, they broke Roman law and got the same punishment as any other citizen breaking the law. The church promoted the idea of persecution after the fact.

maximoose

Deleted User wrote: »

As Seaneh has said, they've proven that a person by the name of Yeshua ben Yosef did live.

Not conclusively I believe?

Sarky

maximoose wrote: »

Not conclusively I believe?

Well, it's a bit like proving a man called Paddy, son of John-Joe lived in Ireland circa 1950.

Ray Palmer

I think the weirdest part of the major religions is that some them centre on such a small part of the planet.

There are certain things people will say are in the bible and they aren't such as hell. The place people often point to as references to hell is actually a real place. The bible containing warning/prediction/theory on what would happen if people didn't unite. Hell being a location outside of Jerusalem (could be another city) where and invading force would lay all the dead and set them on fire. "the gnashing of teeth" being what people did when they were grieving and repentant.

Don't forget the bible suggests you offer up your wife and daughter to a rapist gang if they were going to rape a male guest. I also think it says Mary was 13 when she became pregnant after visiting the church everyday and that the priest (who worked in the church) forced Joseph to marry her so she wasn't stoned to death.

The bible was certainly rewritten and altered from the beginning

BBDBB

Now, look! No one is to stone anyone until I blow this whistle! Do you understand?! Even, and I want to make this absolutely clear, even if they do send an e-mail

bizmark

Iv sent a email cause im offended scumlord made me read wiki and other websites to prove/disprove the belief Christians where persecuted

padd b1975

Loving all the internet hard men tripping over themselves to have a dig at the manager of this site.

Don't jizz your pants people!!

Delirium

Jesus Christ manages the site?? :eek::p

BeerWolf

And now Xmas will be made redundant - I hope you're happy OP! :mad:

danniemcq

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