Recommend a Trackman Pro for lessons?

katnia

Can anyone recommend a good golf pro that teaches using trackman?

Any recommendations based on personal experience greatly appreciated.

Due to my location anyone further south than Kildare is a bit too far for me.

Gin77

katnia wrote: »

Can anyone recommend a good golf pro that teaches using trackman?

Any recommendations based on personal experience greatly appreciated.

Due to my location anyone further south than Kildare is a bit too far for me.

The Birr golf shop have an excellent rep for lessons with track of fitting

katnia

Gin77 wrote: »

The Birr golf shop have an excellent rep for lessons with track of fitting

Thanks for this, are you saying their rep is good for lessons or for fitting, or both?

rollotomasi

I had a lesson using Trackman from Jamie McConnell earlier this year.

katnia

rollotomasi wrote: »

I had a lesson using Trackman from Jamie McConnell earlier this year.

Was it much different, better /worse than a 'normal' lesson?

GreeBo

rollotomasi wrote: »

I had a lesson using Trackman from Jamie McConnell earlier this year.

Have worked with Jamie before and found him good.
He is the highest qualified Trackman trainer in Ireland.

Gin77

katnia wrote: »

Thanks for this, are you saying their rep is good for lessons or for fitting, or both?

Both

scubapro

Seems Jamie McConnell is now teaching in the butch harmon Dubai school of golf.

katnia

scubapro wrote: »

Seems Jamie McConnell is now teaching in the butch harmon Dubai school of golf.

Cray, thanks for the heads up though.

Know anyone else?

katnia

katnia wrote: »

Cray, thanks for the heads up though.

Know anyone else?

*crap

Golfgraffix

katnia wrote: »

*crap

I was talking to Jamie before he left and he mentioned he passed all the equipment on to a guy from the north who was top notch.

I will send him a text and ask if you want.

J

katnia

Golfgraffix wrote: »

I was talking to Jamie before he left and he mentioned he passed all the equipment on to a guy from the north who was top notch.

I will send him a text and ask if you want.

J

That's would be great if you could, thanks.

rollotomasi

katnia wrote: »

Was it much different, better /worse than a 'normal' lesson?

It was definitely better and it was useful comparing the actual ball flight to the club head data on approach and at the ball.

(I saw from the other posters that Jamie is gone to bigger and better things - good for him.)

FixdePitchmark

On a trackman today for first time in 3 years - have changed much of my swing and I seemed to have lost much distance on driver.

In fairness, this was needed as my old swing was fast but rubbish - could hit the ball miles and miles left and right.

My ball is not "as" wild now - but I often am hitting it well, but felt I wasn't getting anywhere. This was proved to be true in figures.

So the figures explain all.

Have lost 4 to 5 mph in Driver speed - Now 106 and ball speed 160 MPH
My launch angle has collapsed to a rather alarmingly low 4 deg with a 10.5 deg driver. :eek: In fairness I play mostly in wind - and we had an interesting conversation if I had shaped my own dynamics around the golf I play. Without seeing me , he said it must be a great advantage for your low irons on links.

Spin was 3000 rpm.

He said I was doing very well to keep spin down considering everything - got a bit lost here - I think he meant with how de lofted club face is - he mentioned -(minus)12 deg at one stage - but would rather I got all this in a report , this was not possible as was just at a demo fitting.

He said I'm losing about 35 yards with the figures I have versus clubhead speed, seems a lot.

But - more importantly, he told me in general , I'm making the game hard for myself to keep driver straight.

He told me to forget about clubs - head off and work on dynamic loft and come back to him. He said there is no point putting me on a 12 deg driver.

Now that is a top pro and fitting - not sure I should name him as he sort of stopped me buying. But the way it should be.

OffalyMedic

Any of the pro's in birr are very good for both trackman lessons and fitting, have a Sam putting lab too if your struggling with putting. Drop me a pm if you want to know more

PARlance

G'man Fix, shoot your lowest round in Corballis and head straight for a fitting after it

And we give Paddy a hard time

FixdePitchmark

PARlance wrote: »

G'man Fix, shoot your lowest round in Corballis and head straight for a fitting after it

And we give Paddy a hard time

Lol - I know, the irony wasn't lost on me.

Was organised weeks ago.

Also -

a) Corballis doesn't count.
b) Driver not needed.

BTW not my lowest.

alxmorgan

FixdePitchmark wrote: »

Lol - I know, the irony wasn't lost on me.

Was organised weeks ago.

Also -

a) Corballis doesn't count.
b) Driver not needed.

BTW not my lowest.

What carry distances were you seeing ?

FixdePitchmark

That is why I would have loved print out alx.

We spent a lot of time - on wedge flex - iron shaft flex - Angle of attack. Lots of other stuff too.

The ball was going 265 - 270 yards

I didn't see carry - but may have got a sight of 230 to 240 ? - but didn't catch that.

So overall - not good for efficient distance, but strange in that I like a low flight on some days. Not great for getting over stuff.

Alx - the expert on this - can a report be forwarded in excel ?

Dr_Colossus

FixdePitchmark wrote: »

On a trackman today for first time in 3 years - have changed much of my swing and I seemed to have lost much distance on driver.

In fairness, this was needed as my old swing was fast but rubbish - could hit the ball miles and miles left and right.

My ball is not "as" wild now - but I often am hitting it well, but felt I wasn't getting anywhere. This was proved to be true in figures.

So the figures explain all.

Have lost 4 to 5 mph in Driver speed - Now 106 and ball speed 160 MPH
My launch angle has collapsed to a rather alarmingly low 4 deg with a 10.5 deg driver. :eek: In fairness I play mostly in wind - and we had an interesting conversation if I had shaped my own dynamics around the golf I play. Without seeing me , he said it must be a great advantage for your low irons on links.

Spin was 3000 rpm.

He said I was doing very well to keep spin down considering everything - got a bit lost here - I think he meant with how de lofted club face is - he mentioned -(minus)12 deg at one stage - but would rather I got all this in a report , this was not possible as was just at a demo fitting.

He said I'm losing about 35 yards with the figures I have versus clubhead speed, seems a lot.

But - more importantly, he told me in general , I'm making the game hard for myself to keep driver straight.

He told me to forget about clubs - head off and work on dynamic loft and come back to him. He said there is no point putting me on a 12 deg driver.

Now that is a top pro and fitting - not sure I should name him as he sort of stopped me buying. But the way it should be.

Very interesting. Firstly why not name him? Sounds like a very conscientious, thorough and efficient professional and you had a very positive experience so credit where credit is due. Such positive reviews might entice others to attend and benefit from his services while he in turn benefits from the increased custom.

106mph is a very impressive swing speed, wish I could get mine up near there. Given your alarmingly low launch angles with the driver it sounds like you're hitting down on the ball with a swing more akin to that of an iron. Modern drivers require the players to hit up on the ball, some reckon optimal angles of attack at about +3 to +4 degrees, which in turn will help lower spin. Given your descending blows you're doing well to keep the spin rates down near 3k as 2k would be very good for an ascending driver swing.

alxmorgan

FixdePitchmark wrote: »

That is why I would have loved print out alx.

We spent a lot of time - on wedge flex - iron shaft flex - Angle of attack. Lots of other stuff too.

The ball was going 265 - 270 yards

I didn't see carry - but may have got a sight of 230 to 240 ? - but didn't catch that.

So overall - not good for efficient distance, but strange in that I like a low flight on some days. Not great for getting over stuff.

Alx - the expert on this - can a report be forwarded in excel ?

Normally you get it in pdf.

230/240 is not bad. With those number I would have expected less truth be told and a lot of roll (estimated).

Have a look here to see expected figures:

http://www.golfwrx.com/64715/carry-distance-vs-swing-speed-chart/

So this is looking at 255/274 for 106 SS. However it is lacking detail such as launch angle, spin, AOA etc.

This chart brings in AOA to give a good idea. Any idea of your AOA ?

http://thesandtrap.com/t/62957/club-head-speed-calculator


and now this is extra cool

http://flightscope.com/products/trajectory-optimizer/

Plug in your numbers:

Launch speed 160
Launch V 5 (lowest allowed !!)
etc etc

gives

241/264

Get launch up to 17 degrees (big jump I know) gives

276/281

drop spin to 1700 (for TMs magic SLDR number of 17/1700) gives

279/293

So remember when I told you you'd buy a SLDR ? You will now

Get a 14 degree SLDR and you're on you're way to 300

FixdePitchmark

If me auntie had balls she would be my uncle.

All joking aside alx - seems an outrageous waste of energy.

I'd often hit a 3 wood as far as a driver - explains a lot.

A good bit of head scratching. Or ignore it all - and load right foot and tilt spine angle.

People say to me - I love your stinger - I'd be there - em yes.

No bleeding choice.

alxmorgan

FixdePitchmark wrote: »

All joking aside alx - seems an outrageous waste of energy.

I'd often hit a 3 wood as far as a driver - explains a lot.

A good bit of head scratching. Or ignore it all - and load right foot and tilt spine angle.

People say to me - I love your stinger - I'd be there - em yes.

No bleeding choice.

Joking aside stinger a superb weapon to have but you're right. Get some tilt behind the ball, tee it high, tee it forward and watch those numbers change

FixdePitchmark

alxmorgan wrote: »

Joking aside stinger a superb weapon to have but you're right. Get some tilt behind the ball, tee it high, tee it forward and watch those numbers change

To be honest - the longest I ever hit ball was after my first lessons with John Kelly - he got me to do all that. Was absolutely amazing.

But felt very tilted right - looked and felt uncomfortable.

The 2nd stage of my swing changes was a bit more balanced - solid base, this seems good for my overall game - but seems to have been ruinous to Driver swing.

It is almost like - for me to work I'd need two swings almost. A driver Swing and an iron swing.

I think life is a bit too short and complicated to take that on.

Perhaps - I am a perfect candidate - as you said months ago - for this COG and extra loft concept.

Anyway - have a match to win friday - won't do a Paddy on it this week :D

alxmorgan

FixdePitchmark wrote: »

To be honest - the longest I ever hit ball was after my first lessons with John Kelly - he got me to do all that. Was absolutely amazing.

But felt very tilted right - looked and felt uncomfortable.

The 2nd stage of my swing changes was a bit more balanced - solid base, this seems good for my overall game - but seems to have been ruinous to Driver swing.

It is almost like - for me to work I'd need two swings almost. A driver Swing and an iron swing.

I think life is a bit too short and complicated to take that on.

Perhaps - I am a perfect candidate - as you said months ago - for this COG and extra loft concept.

Anyway - have a match to win friday - won't do a Paddy on it this week :D

You don't have to tilt to increase launch angle necessarily. Just pushing ball forward in stance so you hit on upswing should do it. Of course hitting in different point of the arc can change dynamics so can lead to hitting on way back in leading to left to right shape.

Anyway all stuff to try once you have been crowned King of the Links

FixdePitchmark

alxmorgan wrote: »

You don't have to tilt to increase launch angle necessarily. Just pushing ball forward in stance so you hit on upswing should do it. Of course hitting in different point of the arc can change dynamics so can lead to hitting on way back in leading to left to right shape.

Anyway all stuff to try once you have been crowned King of the Links

But pushing ball forward - to address that in a normal way - will spin not tilt.

I'd have to put club behind ball.

Ok - it is late for this - not sure any of this is good for my golf.

alxmorgan

FixdePitchmark wrote: »

But pushing ball forward - to address that in a normal way - will spin not tilt.

I'd have to put club behind ball.

Ok - it is late for this - not sure any of this is good for my golf.

Therein lies the answer. Club head starts in middle of stance and bottoms out there on DS then catches ball on upswing ala Shawn Clement.

https://youtu.be/b6StntbwKSQ

FixdePitchmark

Ok Alx.

That is interesting - but there are not too many pros or good players that set up in the way suggested there.

It is very unnatural not to set up at intended impact. Maybe unnatural is not a great word - but in most sports - target sports - you try get into exact aim/impact position.

90 % of golfer just do this.

alxmorgan

FixdePitchmark wrote: »

Ok Alx.

That is interesting - but there are not too many pros or good players that set up in the way suggested there.

It is very unnatural not to set up at intended impact. Maybe unnatural is not a great word - but in most sports - target sports - you try get into exact aim/impact position.

90 % of golfer just do this.

I agree and not saying you should do it but worth a try. I know a good few from this parish do it with success.

Main thing is to make sure your shoulder line is ok if you do setup to the ball when teeing forward.

benny79

I was always taught you have 2 different swings. One for woods i.e tilt spine angle, forward in stance etc & Two. Irons hit down etc. Works for me mind you after a lot of hard work!

The Shawn Clement is a great tip and works for me.

Milkers

FixdePitchmark wrote: »

It is almost like - for me to work I'd need two swings almost. A driver Swing and an iron swing.

I think life is a bit too short and complicated to take that on.

You must hit your putts and chips an awful long way with your unified swing theory :-)

Being facetious obviously but the point being golf isn't a game, it's 4 or 5 games! A slightly adjusted driver swing shouldn't be a huge issue to a man of your talents.

bustercherry

You don't have 2 different swings; you just set up differently to promote hitting on the upswing.

Think of it this way. You are hitting on an up-slope, therefore you align your shoulders to be parallel to the ground in order to make good contact. When I'm hitting the driver, I want the same feeling in my shoulder alignment (making sure my weight is distributed evenly) irrespective of the fact i'm hitting of the flat.

alxmorgan

This article is interesting in the context of the discussion on Fixs 4 degree launch angle I think

http://www.golfwrx.com/289913/how-i-hit-drives-56-yards-farther-with-one-adjustment/

FixdePitchmark

alxmorgan wrote: »

This article is interesting in the context of the discussion on Fixs 4 degree launch angle I think

http://www.golfwrx.com/289913/how-i-hit-drives-56-yards-farther-with-one-adjustment/

Thanks alx.

Great piece - that is what I have been working on.

When I try it, I can tend to balloon them. Did notice a slight increase in height.

But was playing too well to be fiddling with stuff - so left it for moment

Still work to do in this area.

I really struggle to carry anything on a parkland course. Not an issue for my home course at all - in fact a positive advantage (except maybe if it makes it harder to keep straight ?)

Anyway - not a priority right now - trying to ride a piece of good form and get cut. But - is the reason for loss of distance.

alxmorgan

FixdePitchmark wrote: »

Thanks alx.

Great piece - that is what I have been working on.

When I try it, I can tend to balloon them. Did notice a slight increase in height.

But was playing too well to be fiddling with stuff - so left it for moment

Still work to do in this area.

I really struggle to carry anything on a parkland course. Not an issue for my home course at all - in fact a positive advantage (except maybe if it makes it harder to keep straight ?)

Anyway - not a priority right now - trying to ride a piece of good form and get cut. But - is the reason for loss of distance.

Well after recent exploits you hardly need to change your swing !!

I started to hit down a bit on my drives on Sunday as consistency wasn't there. It was a matchplay qualifier and I really wanted to get in so I was sacrificing distance for accuracy.

They do say that the PGA tour average is a negative AOA and that is because they have enough speed that they don't need to hit up to chase distance but also that hitting down seems to allow for more control. Felt that way to me on Sunday alright.

Ideal scenario of course is to have both in the bag.