evolution of irish accents?

ONeill2013

At the gymnasium today there was a young woman (with a very fine backside i may add) who said she was from Dublin yet she had an accent that was very close to an american accent, just a small hint of irish in there.
Is this caused by the amount of american television that is shown nowadays or is it just happening naturally when someone attempts to talk 'proper' without the slang and what not?

wazky

ONeill2013 wrote: »

American accent = talk 'proper'

This statement is false.

For Forks Sake

ONeill2013 wrote: »

At the gymnasium today there was a young woman (with a very fine backside i may add) who said she was from Dublin yet she had an accent that was very close to an american accent, just a small hint of irish in there.

This person is what is commonly referred to as an idiot.

Muise...

she was talking out of her arse OP.

steddyeddy

ONeill2013 wrote: »

At the gymnasium today there was a young woman (with a very fine backside i may add) who said she was from Dublin yet she had an accent that was very close to an american accent, just a small hint of irish in there.
Is this caused by the amount of american television that is shown nowadays or is it just happening naturally when someone attempts to talk 'proper' without the slang and what not?

D2/D4 by any chance?

Mariasofia

ONeill2013 wrote: »

At the gymnasium today there was a young woman (with a very fine backside i may add) who said she was from Dublin yet she had an accent that was very close to an american accent, just a small hint of irish in there.
Is this caused by the amount of american television that is shown nowadays or is it just happening naturally when someone attempts to talk 'proper' without the slang and what not?

It was probably just nerves you know being chatted up at the "gymnasium"!

ONeill2013

steddyeddy wrote: »

D2/D4 by any chance?

I don't know the difference in dublin areas but it can't just be that because in well off areas of British cities they still don't speak with american style accents

hfallada

I have noticed a lot of young irish girls with American accents. But tbh I prefer an american accent to some young one shouting "ah jaysus howiya Jaaaade" with an inner city accent

razorgil

Muise... wrote: »

she was talking out of her arse OP.

out of her "very fine backside" even

Joe10000

Many people, girls mostly, now have this accent in south county Dublin or SoCoDu as I like to call it.

razorgil

the amount of american shows the young women are watchin these days, is it any wonder they sound american??

uch

Nah, she's a mongo

anncoates

She ignored your persistent attempts to strike up conversation at the cross trainer.

Get over it.

Busted Flat.

It is Muriam O'Callaghan sort of thing.

we'llallhavetea

my eldest daughter is always poppin out with americanisms, she's constantly exposed to American tv!

Cody Pomeray

ONeill2013 wrote: »

I don't know the difference in dublin areas but it can't just be that because in well off areas of British cities they still don't speak with american style accents

That's because the British maintain a rigid class system.

Ireland was a nation of peasants. We have no indigenous class system to speak of.

After independence, the British class system maintained its influence in the media and higher professions; listen to very radio shows, or RTE presenters from the 1970s, for example. they all had BBC accents. As we grew more exposed to American media and recreational trips to the US (J1 visas, and the "exclusivity" surrounding American brand names that followed), this filled a vacuum.

The British never had that vacuum.

Scarinae

I'm from Dublin and other Irish people sometimes think I'm English or Canadian. I don't watch much television though. I think that some Dublin accents are just very mild

uch

aya startin wha wrote: »

my eldest daughter is always poppin out with americanisms, she's constantly exposed to American tv!

I'd Bate Her!

Sam Kade

Scarinae wrote: »

I'm from Dublin and other Irish people sometimes think I'm English or Canadian. I don't watch much television though. I think that some Dublin accents like mine are just very very fake

Fixed

Sam Kade

uch wrote: »

I'd Bate Her!

With your wand :eek:

uch

Sam Kade wrote: »

With your wand :eek:

Don't be rude, a child with a stupid accent needs to be Battered

kowloon

I love hearing old newsreel and the likes. Give it enough time and we'll sound alien to subsequent generations.

Doc Ruby

Where do you think the Americans got their accents in the first place? There are traces of Irish accents all over the US.

Ohhh and the thread takes an unexpected twist.

Why do ye think every President, the most powerful men on earth, take the time to visit this little rock of a place.

Busted Flat.

uch wrote: »

Don't be rude, a child with a stupid accent needs to be Battered

What evverr. OMG??,

Some people go to the states for a few months and come back with ridiculous accents.

I lived in the southern states in the US for years, and never lost my accent.

ONeill2013

Doc Ruby wrote: »

Where do you think the Americans got their accents in the first place? There are traces of Irish accents all over the US.

Ohhh and the thread takes an unexpected twist.

Why do ye think every President, the most powerful men on earth, take the time to visit this little rock of a place.

yes there is truth in what you say but how come my distant american and australian cousins don't have a hint of a culchie ulster accent?

razorgil

Jake1 wrote: »

Some people go to the states for a few months and come back with ridiculous accents.

I lived in the southern states in the US for years, and never lost my accent.

same as that. born and bred in cork, moved to kilkenny, now working in tipp, still have cork accent, y'know like!!

Doc Ruby

ONeill2013 wrote: »

yes there is truth in what you say but how come my distant american and australian cousins don't have a hint of a culchie ulster accent?

I always felt there was a bit of Ulster Scots in the deep south accents. It would make a fascinating thesis for someone I reckon, tracing the migration of Irish people and their accents. But yeah, there are echoes of Eireann in many American accents, not neccessarily the other way round.

Scarinae

Sam Kade wrote: »

Fixed

Not really. I live in London and sound very Irish to people here, who can't understand why anyone would think I sound English. It's only Irish people with stronger accents than me who think that.

ONeill2013

Doc Ruby wrote: »

I always felt there was a bit of Ulster Scots in the deep south accents. It would make a fascinating thesis for someone I reckon, tracing the migration of Irish people and their accents. But yeah, there are echoes of Eireann in many American accents, not neccessarily the other way round.

yes there is as the scotch-irish moved to there

Doc Ruby

ONeill2013 wrote: »

yes there is as the scotch-irish moved to there

Well there you go then.

EdenHazard

You do hear people with what sound mad american accents(usually artsy hippy types) but they are never these D4 types, whose accent is not like anything in America, its a South County Dublin inspired by American TV shows accent but it does not sound like an accent from California lol. I'm a 'SOCODUB' resident and I can tell you to a foreigner, our accent is very Irish.

ONeill2013

Doc Ruby wrote: »

Well there you go then.

yes but my ancestors went to philadelphia and new york, that's what i meant when i said they don't have any sort of ulster accent

stoneill

I hate that effect when someone goes to the states and comes back with an accent.
Never happens if they visit Pakistan.

Doc Ruby

ONeill2013 wrote: »

yes but my ancestors went to philadelphia and new york, that's what i meant when i said they don't have any sort of ulster accent

You don't hear many Irish people talking with a New York accent though do you. The older east coast cities like that have the longest history in the US, plenty of time to evolve their own local twang.

What I'm saying though is if you hear an Irish person talking and think, hey that sounds like an American, you're probably hearing echoes of Irish accents that were absorbed into parts of American accents and bounced back here.

Augmerson

If you live in Dublin I feel bad for you son, I'm not anywhere near the kip and don't wanna be.

ONeill2013

Augmerson wrote: »

If you live in Dublin I feel bad for you son, I'm not anywhere near the kip and don't wanna be.

no, haven't even been in it since the mid 2000's

Eeden

Jake1 wrote: »

Some people go to the states for a few months and come back with ridiculous accents.

I lived in the southern states in the US for years, and never lost my accent.

Some people keep their accents, some lose them. It's not a moral issue. I was born in England, brought up in the US, now live in Ireland. Wherever I go, I pick up the accent. I don't do it to be pretentious. It just happens.

There is a theory that people with a musical/language ability are more likely to pick up the accent of the place where they live.

astonaidan

Scarinae wrote: »

I'm from Dublin and other Irish people sometimes think I'm English or Canadian. I don't watch much television though. I think that some Dublin accents are just very mild

Ahh people are terrible at guessing accents, outside of Ireland Ive had people thinking I was German, every Scandinavian country, Dutch, Canadian.
If you dont speak with a stereotypical accent they refuse to believe you are Irish. Like Im from the west and have a normal accent for my town.

EdenHazard

Something trivial that annoys me is when people say they 'don't have an accent'

stefan idiot jones

Jake1 wrote: »

Some people go to the states for a few months and come back with ridiculous accents.

I lived in the southern states in the US for years, and never lost my accent.

I live in Australia. I have lived in Ireland and Scotland, however I still sound like a Welsh twat.

astonaidan

EdenHazard wrote: »

Something trivial that annoys me is when people say they 'don't have an accent'

Watch Michael Mcintyre view on it good stuff

Doc Ruby

stefan idiot jones wrote: »

I live in Australia. I have lived in Ireland and Scotland, however I still sound like a Welsh twat.

Anyone that talks like Windsor Davies is awesome.

Eeden

EdenHazard wrote: »

Something trivial that annoys me is when people say they 'don't have an accent'

I think that few people think they have an accent because they live in a community who all speak the same way. An accent is the way "other people" speak.

My own parents are from different parts of the country and therefore (to others) sound different, but I never could hear it, because to me they just sounded "Irish". A friend of mine who's mother is German could never hear her accent either.

stefan idiot jones

Doc Ruby wrote: »

Anyone that talks like Windsor Davies is awesome.

I'm more like Uncle Bryn than Windsor.

dd972

You'd have thought that with Irish parentage and being here for nearly 20 years that Pat Dolan would have at least by now inflected that f**k awful Estuary English accent of his with some trace of Irishness.:eek:

stefan idiot jones

stefan idiot jones wrote: »

I'm more like Uncle Bryn than Windsor.

God, I could listen to the phone book being read by a Welshman...love the sound.

dd972

Jake1 wrote: »

God, I could listen to the phone book being read by a Welshman...love the sound.

maybe not in Welsh

dd972

dd972 wrote: »

maybe not in Welsh

haha, true dat

the Welsh make things sound Seeeerious, like, mind, listen up eh boyo.

yet passionate,

323

Doc Ruby wrote: »

Where do you think the Americans got their accents in the first place? There are traces of Irish accents all over the US.

Fair point. Even more so in Canada, particularly in Nova Scotia and Newfoundland, Most Newfies I know sound a lot like west coast of Ireland.

Doc Ruby wrote: »

Why do ye think every President, the most powerful men on earth, take the time to visit this little rock of a place.

One reason only. To try to secure a bigger portion of the Plastic Paddy, Irish American vote.