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Whats the point of abolishing the Seanad?

  • 03-10-2013 09:23PM
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    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 59 ✭✭


    Whats the point of abolishing the Seanad to save 20,000,000 a year when more than 20,000,000,000 is spent a year on Welfare. Anyone just find this whole Seanad thing just a big massive joke!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,060 ✭✭✭✭biko


    It seems you are both for and against the Seanad?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,469 ✭✭✭guinnessdrinker


    biko wrote: »
    It seems you are both for and against the Seanad?

    A bit like some of the actual Senators themselves.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,677 ✭✭✭policarp


    The Seanad is more educated than the Dail. IMO.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,057 ✭✭✭irish bloke


    What is the Seanad?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,056 ✭✭✭_Redzer_


    The Seanad is an expensive waste of space and oxygen. Bulldoze it.

    We have a crazy amount of politicians for such a tiny little country


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 59 ✭✭loseyourself


    I'm not quite sure really whether to abolish it or not but why the heck have a referendum for it. Means test the dole and reduce welfare. A 25 year old living with Mammy and Daddy does not need 188 week to survive.
    How are people affording cars and holidays abroad on the dole.
    Are our government really that thick. If a young one gets pregnant and doesn't use proper protection why does she get a free house and a ton of benefits. Its quite daft if you ask me. No wonder young ones are getting pregnant on purpose these days. Free house and tons of money. What could be better!

    You get arrested for been drunk and disorderly, a young one gets a ton of money and a free house from having a one night stand.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,815 ✭✭✭✭galwayrush


    Germany and the bankers have more power here than the Dail and Seanad, why do we need 4 different groups to run the place?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,057 ✭✭✭irish bloke


    _Redzer_ wrote: »
    The Seanad is an expensive waste of space and oxygen. Bulldoze it.

    We have a crazy amount of politicians for such a tiny little country

    Are they like the stonecutters?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,340 ✭✭✭✭MadYaker


    Its costs 20 mil a year and has essentially been neutered by the Dail anyway. Its original purpose was good, it was supposed to be a second house filled with people from all different backgrounds who were experts in different fields so when legislation was being passed they could examine it and suggest ammendments. Originally I think it was supposed to apolitical, ie its members were not full time politicians or a member of any party.

    Instead its a creche for retired politicians or politicians who failed to get elected to the Dail. It serves no real purpose and since there's no hope of reform it should be abolished for the financial savings since we're flat broke.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,301 ✭✭✭Days 298


    galwayrush wrote: »
    Germany and the bankers have more power here than the Dail and Seanad, why do we need 4 different groups to run the place?

    Decentralisation :pac:


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 927 ✭✭✭Kev.


    Our are government really that thick

    You mean-Are our government really that thick?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,056 ✭✭✭_Redzer_


    Are they like the stonecutters?

    If the Simpsons has taught me anything it's that they're nothing like the stonecutters, unfortunately.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,815 ✭✭✭✭galwayrush


    Kev. wrote: »
    You mean-Are our government really that thick?

    'Are' and the '?' :confused:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 915 ✭✭✭hansfrei


    Something about the dole
    Something about teachers
    Something borrowed
    Something blue


  • Posts: 17,735 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    We should not make a decision on anything to do with constitutional changes based on money. So that money argument never washed with me.


  • Posts: 15,814 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    policarp wrote: »
    The Seanad is more educated than the Dail. IMO.

    Some real insight can be found there alright.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 194 ✭✭BrianHal


    I'm not quite sure really whether to abolish it or not but why the heck have a referendum for it. Means test the dole and reduce welfare. A 25 year old living with Mammy and Daddy does not need 188 week to survive.
    How are people affording cars and holidays abroad on the dole.
    Are our government really that thick. If a young one gets pregnant and doesn't use proper protection why does she get a free house and a ton of benefits. Its quite daft if you ask me. No wonder young ones are getting pregnant on purpose these days. Free house and tons of money. What could be better!

    You get arrested for been drunk and disorderly, a young one gets a ton of money and a free house from having a one night stand.

    Foreign hols and cars are paid for by working off-the-books.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,057 ✭✭✭irish bloke


    Kev. wrote: »
    You mean-Are our government really that thick?

    We know what he ment. Jeasus.....


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 451 ✭✭armchair fusilier


    It's useless in it's current form and no Government is willingly going to dilute it's own power - which it would have to do if the Seanad was to be relevant.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 194 ✭✭BrianHal


    It's useless in it's current form and no Government is willingly going to dilute it's own power - which it would have to do if the Seanad was to be relevant.

    Isn't that what people really want though? Less power in the Dail, and at most 100 TDs?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,340 ✭✭✭✭MadYaker


    Plus its full of morons like David Norris and Fidelma Healy Eames. I can't wait to see them turfed out on their arses.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 54,868 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    I would like the following --

    1. Reform the Seanad and allow us to vote Senators in.

    2. Reduce the Dail by 60 T.D.'s

    Win / win for the electorate.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 59 ✭✭loseyourself


    I'm sure they could save 3 billion on welfare easily, instead what will happen they will increase VAT, income tax, petrol, car tax which will raise pennies. Why not cut people over 25 who are living with Mammy and Daddy down to 100 euro. Welfare is far too generous, A girl gets pregnant and gets a free house and tons of benefits. Its quite mind boggling really.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 59 ✭✭loseyourself


    I would like the following --

    1. Reform the Seanad and allow us to vote Senators in.

    2. Reduce the Dail by 60 T.D.'s

    Win / win for the electorate.


    It will only save pennies. Look at the welfare budget this needs to be badly reformed!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,359 ✭✭✭✭kneemos


    I'm not quite sure really whether to abolish it or not but why the heck have a referendum for it. Means test the dole and reduce welfare. A 25 year old living with Mammy and Daddy does not need 188 week to survive.
    How are people affording cars and holidays abroad on the dole.
    Are our government really that thick. If a young one gets pregnant and doesn't use proper protection why does she get a free house and a ton of benefits. Its quite daft if you ask me. No wonder young ones are getting pregnant on purpose these days. Free house and tons of money. What could be better!

    You get arrested for been drunk and disorderly, a young one gets a ton of money and a free house from having a one night stand.

    The extra benefits are for the child's welfare.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,324 ✭✭✭BillyMitchel


    Fock you depute Stag, fock you!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 451 ✭✭armchair fusilier


    BrianHal wrote: »
    Isn't that what people really want though? Less power in the Dail, and at most 100 TDs?

    Yes, but you will never get td's to vote for that, it would be against their self-interest.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,677 ✭✭✭policarp


    Some real insight can be found there alright.


    The exception proves the rule?


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 59 ✭✭loseyourself


    kneemos wrote: »
    The extra benefits are for the child's welfare.

    And the house? and its a lot of extra benefits. I know people with flat screen tvs, decent cars and go on foreign holidays. They get way more than a few extra benefits.

    Why should I pay my mortgage when a young one gets pregnant and gets a house for nothing. They seem to be much better off than me and my family anyway.

    THE THING THAT IS CRIPPLING OUR COUNTRY IS WELFARE


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,149 ✭✭✭✭Zebra3


    I'm sure they could save 3 billion on welfare easily, instead what will happen they will increase VAT, income tax, petrol, car tax which will raise pennies. Why not cut people over 25 who are living with Mammy and Daddy down to 100 euro. Welfare is far too generous, A girl gets pregnant and gets a free house and tons of benefits. Its quite mind boggling really.

    Of course the government could always cut welfare for bankers and their gambling buddies.

    But they'd rather f*ck over the people than do that.


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