Irish smokers should defend themselves more

ThePieintheSky

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/ucd-students-vote-for-smoke-free-campus-1.1549128


I know some will disagree but I think the anti smoking thing is going way over the top at home. I don't smoke myself. Where I am you can still smoke indoors and it's fine. I have no issue with it at all.

It's your lungs, no one elses. I'm getting tired of the nannyism of the state sticking their nose in to what we should and shouldn't eat or drink or inhale etc. Leave it out. Or be sensible at the very least.

Attacking and ostracising a group of people because you're stuck up your own arse and think you have a right to nanny everyone you don't particularly like their habits is not a nice thing to do. How is smoking outdoors doing anyone any harm whatsoever other than the consenting individual themselves? Ridiculous.

ComputerKing

ThePieintheSky wrote: »

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/ucd-students-vote-for-smoke-free-campus-1.1549128


I know some will disagree but I think the anti smoking thing is going way over the top at home. I don't smoke myself. Where I am you can still smoke indoors and it's fine. I have no issue with it at all.

It's your lungs, no one elses. I'm getting tired of the nannyism of the state sticking their nose in to what we should and shouldn't eat or drink or inhale etc. Leave it out. Or be sensible at the very least.

Attacking and ostracising a group of people because you're stuck up your own arse and think you have a right to nanny everyone you don't particularly like their habits is not a nice thing to do. How is smoking outdoors doing anyone any harm whatsoever. Ridiculous.

Op I don't know if you heard there is this thing called second hand smoke. Also 1/2 smokers die of a smoking related disease I think this needs to be discouraged.

darkpagandeath

2nd hand breathing in car fumes how about we ban cars ?

krudler

ThePieintheSky wrote: »

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/ucd-students-vote-for-smoke-free-campus-1.1549128


I know some will disagree but I think the anti smoking thing is going way over the top at home. I don't smoke myself. Where I am you can still smoke indoors and it's fine. I have no issue with it at all.

It's your lungs, no one elses. I'm getting tired of the nannyism of the state sticking their nose in to what we should and shouldn't eat or drink or inhale etc. Leave it out. Or be sensible at the very least.

Attacking and ostracising a group of people because you're stuck up your own arse and think you have a right to nanny everyone you don't particularly like their habits is not a nice thing to do. How is smoking outdoors doing anyone any harm whatsoever other than the consenting individual themselves? Ridiculous.

Except when you're smoking around people, then it does concern them.

GreeBo

I'll agree to remove smoking bans the day smokers agree to keep all of their smoke to themselves.

Cienciano

It's the opposite OP. Smokers are the biggest bunch of moaners and whiners. They think its anti smokers, but the smokers are actually worse.

shruikan2553

Maybe people who dont smoke are annoyed at having to walk through a crowd of smoke to get into buildings. You are right, if people want to smoke let them, but they should have the decency to remember that some people dont like the disgusting smell.

NegativeCreep

krudler wrote: »

Except when you're smoking around people, then it does concern them.

Those people can leave.

Seaneh

Delighted with the UCD student body's decision and hope other colleges around the country follow suit.

hardCopy

Lives in UAE, complains about Civil Liberties in Ireland...

krudler

Cienciano wrote: »

It's the opposite OP. Smokers are the biggest bunch of moaners and whiners. They think its anti smokers, but the smokers are actually worse.

Remember when the smoking ban in pubs came in, and people thought it'd be the end of going out, the country would collapse cos nobody would go to pubs anymore. Now it's utterly bizarre to see people smoking in pubs in other countries, they brought it in for Spain recently, was there a while back and you'd forget how bad you stink of fags even when you dont smoke after a night out just from being in a pub full of smokers.

humanji

darkpagandeath wrote: »

2nd hand breathing in car fumes how about we ban cars ?

You could just not drive them indoors.

ThePieintheSky

I can't understand why any limit would be put on smoking outdoors. There is miles of fresh air above your head. You don't own it.

lahalane

It does seem a bit much alright. Surely they can allocate an area for smokers that is out in the open and away from non smokers.

galwayjohn89

Great news hope trinity do it too. Fed up of having smoke blown into me around campus.

ThePieintheSky

lahalane wrote: »

It does seem a bit much alright. Surely they can allocate an area for smokers that is out in the open and away from non smokers.

Seems to me the real agenda here is to demonise and embarrass a huge subset of people just because others don't like the fact they smoke.

Are students or lecturers suppose to walk so far just because they want to smoke in another area of open fresh air? It's demonisation and I don't think it's right.

darkpagandeath

humanji wrote: »

You could just not drive them indoors.

Ah i forgot peoples houses have magic force-fields that stop car fumes coming into them through window or ventilation

Mark Twain

I think the student body out in UCD should be rather more concerned with its continued slide down the University rankings, rather than passing stupid laws that stop a smoker from having a fag in a designated area.

And I say that as a non-smoker.

RayM

Anything that makes smoking less socially acceptable is a good thing.

Seachmall

You're not going to die from secondhand smoke unless you stay in a closed, confined space with smokers for extended periods.


They only thing nonsmokers have to whinge about is the smell.

And we shouldn't legislate for smell. Christ, that'd be stupid legislation.


At the same time, as a smoker, I think all this tiptoeing around the issue is moronic. Just ban the damn things if they're so much trouble.

galwayjohn89

I don't care that people smoke. If you want to thats fine by me. However I hate having to walk out of buildings through a cloud of smoke. The arts block on trinity is bad for this. All the smokes stay right by the door meaning everyone including non smokers have to walk through the smoke.

Another thing that annoys me is smokers who blow the smoke in your face. Seems to happen when waiting to cross the road. Is just disgusting and the same to me as coughing or sneezing into someone's face.

Elmer Blooker

would all you smokers please use the ash tray in your cars you litter louts!

TheVoodoo

Mark Twain wrote: »

I think the student body out in UCD should be rather more concerned with its continued slide down the University rankings, rather than passing stupid laws that stop a smoker from having a fag in a designated area.

And I say that as a non-smoker.

Weak enough argument, considering they rose in the most recent Timer Higher Education rankings.

That aside, I think banning smoking on UCD campus is a step in the right direction.

ThePieintheSky

hardCopy wrote: »

Lives in UAE, complains about Civil Liberties in Ireland...

I must have missed something - how exactly does banning smoking outdoors enhance civil liberties? It's the opposite. Where is the civil liberties in demeaning those that smoke?

Muise...

I quit a few years ago, but I still like the company of smokers and the smell of smoke. Now when I get a waft of smoke while passing the doorway of a pub, it's as nostalgic as Old Spice, or the crayons we had in national school.

*exhales clear bliss.

I don't see the point in a ban in as vast an open space as UCD tbh.

Links234

ThePieintheSky wrote: »

you don't particularly like their habits

It annoys me that people who smoke think that those of us who don't just "don't like" their habit, or the smell, etc. I've got asthma, second hand smoke can trigger an attack. you have to be severely ignorant to think that your smoking doesn't effect the people around you

ThePieintheSky

TheVoodoo wrote: »

That aside, I think banning smoking on UCD campus is a step in the right direction.

On the whole campus? You think that's a clever thing to do? What are smokers suppose to do - get a bus to the entrance, stand there, get a bus back - every hour or whatever?

I can see why that would anger people.

lahalane

Seachmall wrote: »

Just ban the damn things if they're so much trouble.

Actually, I agree with this. If they're going to slowly faze out smoking then just get it over and done with now. I smoke. Not much, maybe 5 a day and twice that when I'm drinking, but if they were gotten rid of I wouldn't be too bothered. Then after that they can also get rid of the other stuff that's proven to kill us slowly like drink, McDonalds and X-Factor.

Cody Pomeray

I'm doing a postgrad in UCD and I voted Yes to the ban.

Second hand smoke disturbs lung function, even after short periods of time. I would regularly have coffee outside my building, or down at the lake, or just standing around like at the rugby pitches, and it isn't nice when someone is blowing smoke in your face, particularly if they approach you and they think it's okay because they're doing it outdoors.

I'm not sure how it's going to work exactly, UCD is a 300 acre estate. Do they have to walk all the way to the end of campus no matter where they are? Frankly, that's not non-smokers' problem.

ThePieintheSky wrote: »

I must have missed something - how exactly does banning smoking outdoors enhance civil liberties? It's the opposite. Where is the civil liberties in demeaning those that smoke?

I have a right not to have my lung function disturbed or inflamed.

Your question is like asking "where's the civil liberties for people who like to spit on others?" The underlying right has to be one of bodily integrity.

Mark Twain wrote: »

I think the student body out in UCD should be rather more concerned with its continued slide down the University rankings,

Actually we went up 26 places in the Times ranking yesterday. Swings and roundabouts.

Sh1tbag OToole

Irish in general should defend themselves more instead of letting a bunch of teachers decide everything for us. We're not in school anymore! (well maybe some of us are)

DeVore

We pay for your lung transplants and provide the lungs to be transplanted. Meet us half way yeah?

Spanish Eyes

ThePieintheSky wrote: »

On the whole campus? You think that's a clever thing to do? What are smokers suppose to do - get a bus to the entrance, stand there, get a bus back - every hour or whatever?

I can see why that would anger people.

Ah.... god be with the days when students were radical. When they would protest at the least thing.

Now? They are part of the establishment.

Doesn't matter that it's smoking, that can be done in a little shelter well away from the dons and prikks of the higher moral ground variety.

They might need to check the bags for the lemonade bottle full of YKWIM though, far more detrimental to ones' demeanour, but probably fires up the academic juices.

Go students! Fight for a Nanny Free State please. You are all we have left.

darkpagandeath

Links234 wrote: »

It annoys me that people who smoke think that those of us who don't just "don't like" their habit, or the smell, etc. I've got asthma, second hand smoke can trigger an attack. you have to be severely ignorant to think that your smoking doesn't effect the people around you

so can pollen pet dander a whole host of things you want them band also ? being overweight can be a factor in asthma

dublinbhoy88

ThePieintheSky wrote: »

On the whole campus? You think that's a clever thing to do? What are smokers suppose to do - get a bus to the entrance, stand there, get a bus back - every hour or whatever?

I can see why that would anger people.

they can celebrate this decision by goin into he bar in UCD and wreck their liver and start a fight,people worrying about their health from second hand smoke then go and pollute themselves with alcohol:pac:

SimonLynch

I'd imagine it'll be an idealistic thing that won't be enforced, go to Tallaght or Blanch hospitals and observe the 'smoke free' campuses.

Chips Lovell

ThePieintheSky wrote: »

I'm getting tired of the nannyism of the state sticking their nose in to what we should and shouldn't eat or drink or inhale etc.

Except it's not the state sticking their nose in. It's the UCD students voting themselves on what rule to implement in their own campus.

I don't mind people smoking outdoors myself, but it's their campus, so fair enough.

Links234

darkpagandeath wrote: »

so can pollen pet dander a whole host of things you want them band also ? being overweight can be a factor in asthma

this isn't a thread about pollen, etc, is it? I get very bad reactions from cigarette smoke, the OP seems to suggest that non smokers 'just don't like' smoking, the context here is obvious.

Jonny Blaze

Seachmall wrote: »

At the same time, as a smoker, I think all this tiptoeing around the issue is moronic. Just ban the damn things if they're so much trouble.

They would only for the fact that it's a tidy little earner for them, in or around 6 euro per box!

ThePieintheSky

Cody Pomeray wrote: »

I have a right not to have my lung function disturbed or inflamed.

The operative word in my point being "outdoors". Who are you to say someone cannot smoke outdoors?

dark crystal

DeVore wrote: »

We pay for your lung transplants and provide the lungs to be transplanted. Meet us half way yeah?

You do?

I wasn't aware only non-smokers paid taxes towards the health care system.

Jonny Blaze

DeVore wrote: »

We pay for your lung transplants and provide the lungs to be transplanted. Meet us half way yeah?

Also liver disease, heart disease, stitching split open heads, not to mention cleaning takeout mess and pools of piss and vomit from the streets every saturday and sunday morning..

Oh wait that's booze!

DamagedTrax

where do we get these lungs that non-smokers buy us? i never got mine

Greenmachine

So glad I am not in UCD. Seriously OTT banning smoking on the entire campus. pfft how long does it take to walk through a doorway.

darkpagandeath

Links234 wrote: »

this isn't a thread about pollen, etc, is it? I get very bad reactions from cigarette smoke, the OP seems to suggest that non smokers 'just don't like' smoking, the context here is obvious.

well this is not a thread about asthma either i was just giving other factors that can cause just as bad reaction

Seachmall

DeVore wrote: »

We pay for your lung transplants

So do we.

and provide the lungs to be transplanted.

So do we.

ThePieintheSky

DeVore wrote: »

We pay for your lung transplants and provide the lungs to be transplanted. Meet us half way yeah?

Tiny minority end up in that situation. I am not a smoker but I can see that smokers are being demeaned and isolated.

It's a large group of the population. And most smokers to my knowledge don't smoke by choice. It's an addiction.

Grab All Association

DeVore wrote: »

We pay for your lung transplants and provide the lungs to be transplanted. Meet us half way yeah?

The state made €1.3 billion from tax on tobacco last year. I think we smokers pretty much paid for ourselves.

humanji

ThePieintheSky wrote: »

Tiny minority end up in that situation. I am not a smoker but I can see that smokers are being demeaned and isolated.

It's a large group of the population. And most smokers to my knowledge don't smoke by choice. It's an addiction.

And this is incentive to try and break the habit.

On a side not, anyone know if those e-cigarettes are a valid alternative?

darkpagandeath

Chris___ wrote: »

The state made €1.3 billion from tax on tobacco last year. I think we smokers pretty much paid for ourselves.

Your not allowed logic here as apparently the whole cost of healthcare is caused via smoking. So smokers don't pay for themselves they cost the state money they will tell you.

Cody Pomeray

ThePieintheSky wrote: »

The operative word in my point being "outdoors". Who are you to say someone cannot smoke outdoors?

Contrary to that newspaper report, students haven't made the decision.

The students "preferendum" was technically just asking for students' opinions, since it would likely be impossible to implement a ban without students' co-operation.

The ultimate decision is that of the UCD Governing Authority/ University Management, and they have every right, as per their intention, to implement the ban on the campus, just like any other business can regulate what happens on its grounds, within the law.

DamagedTrax

And this is incentive to try and break the habit.

is this an incentive decided upon by all the smokers who have a right to choose if they smoke or not?

On a side not, anyone know if those e-cigarettes are a valid alternative?

they're pretty good as they keep the hands occupied, which is a major obstacle to giving up.