spot the pit bull

DamagedTrax

since pit bulls have come up twice in threads today i wanted to see how many of you know what a pit bull actually looks like. (this has been done in the pets forum but i'd love to see the results among the general populous).

Only 1 of these dogs is a 'pit bull' (american pit bull terrier). which is it?

--Kaiser--

First one

SEPT 23 1989

All of them

Dyr

You do realize

a) "pit bull" is not a specific breed its a generic term. American pit bull terrier is an actual breed

b) that given the breeds history and standard a spot the pitbull competition is pointless?

DamagedTrax

had to edit one as something in the pic gave it away.

anyway, still only one pit bull here. which one?

stimpson

The one that's just eaten a child?

DamagedTrax

Bambi wrote: »

You do realize

a) "pit bull" is not a specific breed its a generic term. American pit bull terrier is an actual breed

b) that given the breeds history and standard a spot the pitbull competition is pointless?

thats EXACTLY the point of my thread (leading on from my comments in the 'bad encounter with animal' thread)

anncoates

It's hard to tell without the track suited ruffian in two.

kylith

I'm going with #3.

#1 looks too young. It's about the right size, but still has growing to do, I'd say.
#2 is a staffie. Lovely dogs.

ETA: although it could be #1 because I think AM Pitts are leggier than what would be called a Pitt in Ireland.

DamagedTrax

kylith wrote: »

I'm going with #3.

#1 looks too young. It's about the right size, but still has growing to do, I'd say.
#2 is a staffie. Lovely dogs.

ETA: although it could be #1 because I think AM Pitts are leggier than what would be called a Pitt in Ireland.

dogs 1 & 2 are irish, dog 3 is from holland.

lahalane

It is a trick question. They are all dogs, not bulls.

Dyr

DamagedTrax wrote: »

thats EXACTLY the point of my thread (leading on from my comments in the 'bad encounter with animal' thread)

Eh no its not. If you're going to be pedantic with a spot the breed competition at least get yer pedantry right.

As far as the american kennel club is concerned none of those dogs are pit bull terriers because, the last time I checked, they don't recognize the breed.

Awwww wook and the wickle puppies

SEPT 23 1989

Bambi wrote: »

As far as the american kennel club is concerned none of those dogs are pit bull terriers because, the last time I checked, they don't recognize the breed.

shower of bleedin snobs

DamagedTrax

Bambi wrote: »

Eh no its not. If you're going to be pedantic with a spot the breed competition at least get yer pedantry right.

As far as the american kennel club is concerned none of those dogs are pit bull terriers because, the last time I checked, they don't recognize the breed.

actually both the ukc and the adba recognise the american pit bull terrier in america. the akc will let you register one as an amstaff but you can be dual registered and plenty of champion APBT are also champion Amstaffs.

maybe you might wanna do full research before trying to tell someone who shows these types of dogs.

annascott

I think the first one.
Second is just a staffie and the third, I think is an American bulldog

I could be wrong though

Please pm the right answer.

kylith

DamagedTrax wrote: »

dogs 1 & 2 are irish, dog 3 is from holland.

American Pit Bull is a variant of a breed. The same as you get American Cocker Spaniels or Irish Staffordshire Bull Terriers.

DamagedTrax

kylith wrote: »

American Pit Bull is a variant of a breed. The same as you get American Cocker Spaniels or Irish Staffordshire Bull Terriers.

you've go that back to front. the american pit bull terrier is the only breed with 'pit bull' in it's name.

a pitbull is just a generic term for a bunch of dogs that look similiar.

DamagedTrax

annascott wrote: »

I think the first one.
Second is just a staffie and the third, I think is an American bulldog

I could be wrong though

Please pm the right answer.

ill put the answers up here in a few minutes.

Dyr

DamagedTrax wrote: »

actually both the ukc and the adba recognise the american pit bull terrier in america. the akc will let you register one as an amstaff but you can be dual registered and plenty of champion APBT are also champion Amstaffs.

maybe you might wanna do full research before trying to tell someone who shows these types of dogs.

Actually I never mentioned the ukc, the adba, the plo or asda or whoever.

Do the American Kennel Club recognize the pit bull as a breed? or even the American Pitbull Terrier?

Yes?

No?

kylith

DamagedTrax wrote: »

you've go that back to front. the american pit bull terrier is the only breed with 'pit bull' in it's name.

a pitbull is just a generic term for a bunch of dogs that look similiar.

OK then, American Pitts are leggier that what people would claim was a pit bull over here.

How's that?

foggy_lad

Shake a small child in front of all three and the one that kills the other two dogs first then goes for the child is the culprit.

DamagedTrax

Bambi wrote: »

Actually I never mentioned the ukc, the adba, the plo or asda or whoever.

Do the American Kennel Club recognize the pit bull as a breed? or even the American Pitbull Terrier?

Yes?

No?

what has the AKC got to do with anything? There are more registries in america than just the AKC. who, like i said recognise the breed under a different name.

ADBA - american dog breeders association - recognise the APBT
UKC - united kennel club - recognise the APBT
AKC - american kennel club - recognise the APBT under a different name.

DamagedTrax

kylith wrote: »

OK then, American Pitts are leggier that what people would claim was a pit bull over here.

How's that?

nope. plenty of leggy apbt over here. the problem is that over here there's plenty of shorter fatter cross mixes that the illinformed call pit bulls. for the sake of this thread im talking pure bred dogs. cross breeds is a minefield.

dharma200

Pure breed pitbull.... Will be waiting a while to see one of them....

arybvtcw0eolkf

As the owner of a Pitbull and a Staffordshire Bull Terrier I'd hoped this thread would be interesting ~ it fails.

DamagedTrax

Alfred Brief Nachos wrote: »

As the owner of a Pitbull and a Staffordshire Bull Terrier I'd hoped this thread would be interesting ~ it fails.

i thought so too but clearly its pointless trying to prove the point that most people dont even know what our breeds look like. instead its just abuse as usual.

DamagedTrax

dharma200 wrote: »

Pure breed pitbull.... Will be waiting a while to see one of them....

here, not too long i hope?

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y74/bahamutt99/web_dogpics/ani_side_crop_180.jpg

dharma200

As the owner of two pitbull s and one staff I thought it would be interesting too....
Nope.

DamagedTrax

anyway

1 is an apbt
2 & 3 are both staffordshire bull terriers.

Dyr

DamagedTrax wrote: »

what has the AKC got to do with anything? There are more registries in america than just the AKC. who, like i said recognise the breed under a different name.

ADBA - american dog breeders association - recognise the APBT
UKC - united kennel club - recognise the APBT
AKC - american kennel club - recognise the APBT under a different name.

What the american kennel club have to do with it is that they're the biggest registry of pure breed dogs in America. Makes them sort of a big deal in these doggie wars. Now that I think of it, do the kennel club in the UK or the IKC recognize the pit bull as a breed? I'd say you'd know if you were showing pit bulls

So anyway according to the American Kennel Club, none of those dogs are actually pit bulls. Thank you we get there in the end

dharma200

Lol...

dharma200

Not lolling at post above

DamagedTrax

Bambi wrote: »

So anyway according to the American Kennel Club, none of those dogs are actually pit bulls. Thank you we get there in the end

yeah and the ukc and adba are tiny little set ups? dude, you havent a clue what you're on about.

no-one said anything about irish or english kennel clubs.. infact no-one even brought kennel clubs into it until you mentioned them.

RachelM

I thought there is two pit bull terrier breeds - American PBT and English PBT ?

dharma200

The American pit bull terrier is a registered breed in America.
All other pitbulls are not and cannot be pure bred, and just because it is recognised, if ones follows its genealogy is not actually pure bred atall.
The fact the authorities in countries which happily kill pit bull type dogs for no other reason than they might be pit bulls shows how laughable the whole pitbull pure bred thing is.

DamagedTrax

RachelM wrote: »

I thought there is two pit bull terrier breeds - American PBT and English PBT ?

english bull terrier. different breed. they're the ones with the shark-like snouts.

dharma200

Sorry to quote wiki but can't really be arsed going to deep into this , has been discussed a thousand times before :

Main article: American Pit Bull Terrier
The American Pit Bull Terrier was created by interbreeding Old English Terriers and English Bulldogs to produce a dog that combined the gameness (a quality of fighting dogs or working terriers; eagerness despite the threat of substantive injury) of the terrier with the strength and athleticism of the bulldog.[14] These dogs were initially bred in England, and arrived in the United States with the founders. In the U.S., these dogs were used as catch dogs for semi-wild cattle and hogs, to hunt, to drive livestock, and as family companions.[14] Some have been selectively bred for their fighting prowess.[15][16] The United Kennel Club (UKC) was the first registry to recognize the American Pit Bull Terrier, in 1898.[17]

DamagedTrax

dharma200 wrote: »

The American pit bull terrier is a registered breed in America.
All other pitbulls are not and cannot be pure bred, and just because it is recognised, if ones follows its genealogy is not actually pure bred atall.
The fact the authorities in countries which happily kill pit bull type dogs for no other reason than they might be pit bulls shows how laughable the whole pitbull pure bred thing is.

well they can be pure bred to the extent that any man made breed can be... which is exactly what i said in the other thread! but seems like facts dont matter much to some people in here.

RachelM

Ok thanks, I know they are different breeds and the English has a funny snout, I always thought there was a pit in the breed name. There is too much mis-labelling and misinformation of these dogs.

annascott

Compared to a Tibetan Mastiff, they are all pussycats...;)

sok2005

Sorry to go slightly off track but what is the name of the white dogs with pinky looking eyes, stocky too and strong but not tall?

Dyr

DamagedTrax wrote: »

yeah and the ukc and adba are tiny little set ups? dude, you havent a clue what you're on about.

no-one said anything about irish or english kennel clubs.. infact no-one even brought kennel clubs into it until you mentioned them.

If you're going to bother talking about breeds then you're going to have to bring in kennel clubs into it along with the Judean peoples dog fancying fronts or whoever. The breed thing is intrisinically silly but if you're playing the pure breed game then you can't ignore the groups that invented it.

you're the one who wanted to be clever with the youse-cant-spot-a-pitbull, when there's no universal definition of what a "pitbull" actually is

Not my fault you wound up looking a bit silly.

So anyway which one is the american staffordshire terrier?

DamagedTrax

RachelM wrote: »

Ok thanks, I know they are different breeds and the English has a funny snout, I always thought there was a pit in the breed name. There is too much mis-labelling and misinformation of these dogs.

far too much. thats why i wanted to see if anyone could actually recognise one.

Dyr

dharma200 wrote: »

The American pit bull terrier is a registered breed in America.
.

Registered with who?

DamagedTrax

Bambi wrote: »

If you're going to bother talking about breeds then you're going to have to bring in kennel clubs into it along with the Judean peoples dog fancying fronts or whoever. The breed thing is intrisinically silly but if you're playing the pure breed game then you can't ignore the groups that invented it.

you're the one who wanted to be clever with the youse-cant-spot-a-pitbull, when there's no universal definition of what a "pitbull" actually is

Not my fault you wound up looking a bit silly.

So anyway which one is the american staffordshire terrier?

dude, you've just been provided with information that 2 large registries in the USA recognise the american pitbull terrier. stop talking BS now please. you're clearly trying to fight a corner thats pointless.

the apbt IS recognised and many of them are also AKC champions but dual registered as amstaffs (because the AKC is the only one of the big 3 registries that dont recognise them). if you want to dispute this fact then go ahead but you're wrong. plain and simple.

humberklog

I got it right!

And I know nothing about dogs. Kinda went with extra sensory powers of deduction. If I hadn't got it right I would have said it was a bad guess.

Cool thread.

sok2005

sok2005 wrote: »

Sorry to go slightly off track but what is the name of the white dogs with pinky looking eyes, stocky too and strong but not tall?

Rover

dharma200

Listen, if we want to be pedantic there is no real pure breed of any dog.

The best thing for people in Ireland who own pitbulls is not to have them recognised as pitbulls anyway in case some arse in power tries to bring in a law to exterminate them like in the north.

DamagedTrax

sok2005 wrote: »

Sorry to go slightly off track but what is the name of the white dogs with pinky looking eyes, stocky too and strong but not tall?

sounds like an albino dog. pink eyes would be a fault in a dog.

DamagedTrax

DamagedTrax wrote: »

sounds like an albino dog. pink eyes would be a fault in a dog.

a fault?

Do you get a 28 day no quibble guarantee with that or just the standard manafacturer's warranty?