Bad pills

magicman88

<snip> I'm just warning people stay away from green apples[ecstacy tablets] just passing on what I heard

Vinz Mesrine

Are Granny smiths still ok?

Hande hoche!

M'kay.

hatrickpatrick

I've said it all before, but if drugs were legal and produced in quality controlled pharmaceutical labs, this kind of thing would happen far less than it currently seems to be happening.
Bad pills today are the political equivalent of contaminated moonshine during alcohol prohibition.

magicman88

Vinz Mesrine wrote: »

Are Granny smiths still ok?

Only one a day keep doctor away

Aint Eazy Being Cheezy

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

I've said it all before, but if drugs were legal and produced in quality controlled pharmaceutical labs, this kind of thing would happen far less than it currently seems to be happening.
Bad pills today are the political equivalent of contaminated moonshine during alcohol prohibition.

Think they're expensive now? See what happens if they're legalized.

Mark Twain

Blue Ghosts were the thing to avoid at Electric Picnic.


Blue Ghosts? Well, it has an active ingredient which is a dangerous psychoactive compound known as dimesmeric andersonphosphate. It stimulates the part of the brain called Shatner's Bassoon. And that's the bit of the brain that deals with time perception. So, a second feels like a month. Well, it almost sounds like fun...unless you're the Prague schoolboy who walked out into the street straight in front of a tram. He thought he'd got a month to cross the street.

SV

Johnny Electricity wrote: »

Think they're expensive now? See what happens if they're legalized.

I don't know about anyone else but I'd rather pay 5 times the price and have them of high quality and safe than the crap that gets pedalled out to people these days.

Ilik Urgee

Where's Walter White when you need him?

kneemos

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

I've said it all before, but if drugs were legal and produced in quality controlled pharmaceutical labs, this kind of thing would happen far less than it currently seems to be happening.
Bad pills today are the political equivalent of contaminated moonshine during alcohol

prohibition.

Legalise mind altering drugs?good plan.
Please don't be boring and mention alcohol.

Seachmall

Mark Twain wrote: »

Blue Ghosts were the thing to avoid at Electric Picnic.

Were they?

Elbaston

Why yes Damo, I will invest my health in your orange orangutan pills.

hatrickpatrick

Johnny Electricity wrote: »

Think they're expensive now? See what happens if they're legalized.

True, but a lot of people would probably take the expense over the possibility of dying from a bad batch or getting stabbed by some gangland scumbag, no?

Muise...

mind the brown acid lads. It's not specifically too good.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hKoLlKmQSHU

returnNull

Seachmall wrote: »

Were they?

not sure.Few mates took them and said they were trippy as fuk though!

I've been doin E for 22 years and still functioning,so maybe the qaulity aint as bad as some people make out.

hatrickpatrick

kneemos wrote: »

Legalise mind altering drugs?good plan.
Please don't be boring and mention alcohol.

Why not? It's my mind, it's nobody else's business if I want to alter it.

Ace Attorney

Death in wales from them earlier on this year

kneemos

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

Why not? It's my mind, it's nobody else's business if I want to alter it.

The government has a duty to protect its citizens.
Society wouldn't benefit from more drugs being available.

Seachmall

returnNull wrote: »

not sure.Few mates took them and said they were trippy as fuk though!

I'd the same experience, great buzz though.

kneemos wrote: »

The government has a duty to protect its citizens.

From each other, not ourselves.

Unless we're going to prosecute for failed suicide attempts, or accidentally drinking drain cleaner.

Society wouldn't benefit from more drugs being available.

It'd benefit from less crime.

Aint Eazy Being Cheezy

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

True, but a lot of people would probably take the expense over the possibility of dying from a bad batch or getting stabbed by some gangland scumbag, no?

It won't stop the drug dealers though. They'll still keep producing the cheaper drugs. You'll just be making it easier for curious teens to try their first E and after they've paid €20 for it and liked it, they'll buy a €5 one the following weekend off a dealer.

Fr_Dougal

Seachmall wrote: »

It'd benefit from less crime.

If everything was legal there'd be no crime.

Seachmall

Fr_Dougal wrote: »

If everything was legal there'd be no crime.

*less violent and gang related crime

fasttalkerchat

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

I've said it all before, but if drugs were legal and produced in quality controlled pharmaceutical labs, this kind of thing would happen far less than it currently seems to be happening.
Bad pills today are the political equivalent of contaminated moonshine during alcohol prohibition.

And then we get the cheap chinese knockoffs of the €10 licenced pills which are under a 10 year patent.

Aint Eazy Being Cheezy

Fr_Dougal wrote: »

If everything was legal there'd be no crime.

Yes their would. Money is the motivation for crime.

Squidgy Black

Blue ghost are all the rage now. Dublin's flooded with them.

And those new Hello Kittys and Androids.

SV

Johnny Electricity wrote: »

Yes their would. Money is the motivation for crime.

Yeah but if everything was legal then there couldn't be crime because....ehhh everything is legal?

kneemos

SV wrote: »

Yeah but if everything was legal then there couldn't be crime because....ehhh everything is legal?

What do you think criminals will do?shrug their shoulders and say oh well.

collidgedosser

Johnny Electricity wrote: »

Think they're expensive now? See what happens if they're legalized.

I have heard someone say this before and I cannot for the life of me see how that could ever happen, seen as if they are legalised and licenced it will remove costs associated with obtaining the tightly controlled precursors and and the costs of smuggling etc. And cannabis is cheaper in countries where it is legal so is alcohol. And if they were to increase the price of them dramatically it would be self defeating and create a black market the same as cigarettes

returnNull

kneemos wrote: »

What do you think criminals will do?shrug their shoulders and say oh well.

they'd go back to racketeering,whoring,robbery etc just like they did in the states when they legalised booze again.

The Big Smoke

Mark Twain wrote: »

Blue Ghosts were the thing to avoid at Electric Picnic.


Blue Ghosts? Well, it has an active ingredient which is a dangerous psychoactive compound known as dimesmeric andersonphosphate. It stimulates the part of the brain called Shatner's Bassoon. And that's the bit of the brain that deals with time perception. So, a second feels like a month. Well, it almost sounds like fun...unless you're the Prague schoolboy who walked out into the street straight in front of a tram. He thought he'd got a month to cross the street.

Genuine Blue Ghosts have been around for 8 months or so and are spectacular. The ones at electric picnic where fakes, sold by sub-human scum looking to make a quick profit.

dirtyden

fasttalkerchat wrote: »

And then we get the cheap chinese knockoffs of the €10 licenced pills which are under a 10 year patent.

There would be no patent. Cheap as chips routes to MDMA are common knowledge and could not now be patented. Any generic company worth its salt could be manufacturing high quality MDMA and making serious profit at less than a euro a pill. Although I suppose the tax/licensing costs imposed by government would probably boost the price a bit.

Aint Eazy Being Cheezy

SV wrote: »

Yeah but if everything was legal then there couldn't be crime because....ehhh everything is legal?

Junkie wants gear. Costs 100euro, he's got €20. He's gonna resort to mugging, stealing or otherwise illegal way of getting the extra cash needed.

Edit: if your talking about legalizing everything so there's no such thing as a crime, Im not even dignifying that with a response.

SV

kneemos wrote: »

What do you think criminals will do?shrug their shoulders and say oh well.

I've no idea, how on earth do you imagine they'd make money?
Bearing in mind everything is legal.

collidgedosser

Johnny Electricity wrote: »

Junkie wants gear. Costs 100euro, he's got €20. He's gonna resort to mugging, stealing or otherwise illegal way of getting the extra cash needed.

They should just give heroin to the people who want heroin, and if you want to genuinley stop give them methadone. Addicts only use the phy to stop them getting sick and still take heroin. Im willing to bet heroin is cheaper to make than methadone. then that way they wont be putting their welfare into the hands of dealers

Aint Eazy Being Cheezy

collidgedosser wrote: »

They should just give heroin to the people who want heroin, and if you want to genuinley stop give them methadone. Addicts only use the phy to stop them getting sick and still take heroin. Im willing to bet heroin is cheaper to make than methadone. then that way they wont be putting their welfare into the hands of dealers

The state should give out free drugs?

Cody Pomeray

magicman88 wrote: »

Blue Ghosts? Well, it has an active ingredient which is a dangerous psychoactive compound known as dimesmeric andersonphosphate. It stimulates the part of the brain called Shatner's Bassoon. And that's the bit of the brain that deals with time perception. So, a second feels like a month. Well, it almost sounds like fun...unless you're the Prague schoolboy who walked out into the street straight in front of a tram. He thought he'd got a month to cross the street.

lyk dis if u cried every tym XXX

All commiserations to the Czech guy's family notwithstanding, threads like this are comedy gold. The anti drugs lobby who think bans mean anything, and the 'well rough' i pills brigade passing on what they heard "on the street" and what was trending at electric picnic. give a fcuk!

if you fight for the right to put a chemical agent inside your body whose ingredients were cooked up by some amateur and whose safety cannot be verified, you're probably as stupid as someone who thinks you can legislate to end stupidity.

kneemos

SV wrote: »

I've no idea, how on earth do you imagine they'd make money?
Bearing in mind everything is legal.

The same way they do at the moment from non drug related crime.

SV

kneemos wrote: »

The same way they do at the moment from non drug related crime.

Right, you're not really elaborating here. I'm just going to assume you don't have an answer when you're giving cop outs like that.

Aint Eazy Being Cheezy

SV wrote: »

Right, you're not really elaborating here. I'm just going to assume you don't have an answer when you're giving cop outs like that.

Dude you've come into a thread where people are discussing legalizing drugs so they can be regulated and controlled and others are saying it won't work.

Now your suggesting we legalize everything so there's no crime. Guess what? That won't work either.

Del2005

Johnny Electricity wrote: »

It won't stop the drug dealers though. They'll still keep producing the cheaper drugs. You'll just be making it easier for curious teens to try their first E and after they've paid €20 for it and liked it, they'll buy a €5 one the following weekend off a dealer.

It's easier to get illegal drugs than legal drugs today for underage people as illegal drug dealers never ask for ID while legal drug dealers have to by law. At least if there's some kind of legalisation then more resources could be dedicated to the harmful affects of all drugs including alcohol, cigarettes and over the counter medicines.

collidgedosser

Johnny Electricity wrote: »

The state should give out free drugs?

The state have been giving out free drugs for a long time now, methadone clinics! valium prescribed on medical card!

kneemos

SV wrote: »

Right, you're not really elaborating here. I'm just going to assume you don't have an answer when you're giving cop outs like that.

returnNull listed it a few posts back.Robbery,whoring and racketeering.Criminals are criminals they don't change their ways.

Seachmall

kneemos wrote: »

returnNull listed it a few posts back.Robbery,whoring and racketeering.Criminals are criminals they don't change their ways.

But all those things would be legal, so they wouldn't be criminals for committing robbery, for example.



(I sense some confusion here.)

kneemos

Seachmall wrote: »

But all those things would be legal, so they wouldn't be criminals for committing robbery, for example.



(I sense some confusion here.)

You sense confusion?

returnNull

Seachmall wrote: »

(I sense some confusion here.)

On my part I think,hadnt realised we were discussing criminality where everything was legal!

Seachmall

kneemos wrote: »

You sense confusion?

It's a superpower of mine.

Aint Eazy Being Cheezy

Someone's suggested legalizing everything, so there is no crime?

What happens if your house is broken into and you have your television stolen? Just go to Harvey Norman and walk out with a brand new one, no need to pay cos hey, it's not illegal right?!

kneemos

Seachmall wrote: »

But all those things would be legal, so they wouldn't be criminals for committing robbery, for example.



(I sense some confusion here.)

Robbery,fraud,protection rackets,selling stolen goods,muggings...

carlmango11

kneemos wrote: »

Legalise mind altering drugs?good plan.
Please don't be boring and mention alcohol.

"Please don't be boring and point out the glaring flaw in my argument"

Seachmall

Johnny Electricity wrote: »

Someone's suggested legalizing everything, so there is no crime?

What happens if your house is broken into and you have your television stolen? Just go to Harvey Norman and walk out with a brand new one, no need to pay cos hey, it's not illegal right?!

I said if ecstasy was legal society would benefit from less crime.

Fr_Dougal pointed out my mistake by saying that if everything was legal there'd be no crime.

I clarified that I meant if ecstasy was legal society would benefit from less gang related crime.


The suggestion that we should legalise everything to reduce crime was purely accidental on my part. For some reason people are running with it.

kneemos

carlmango11 wrote: »

"Please don't be boring and point out the glaring flaw in my argument"

It's a pointless argument that comes up whenever someone mentions drugs.As if one legal drug validates the legalization of all other mind altering drugs.If anything alcohol shows us what a bad idea it is.