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US Government shutdown.

  • 02-10-2013 05:20PM
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,705 ✭✭✭Johro


    I know it's a couple of days old and the government has already shut down, but someone sent me this youtube vid and it pretty much sums up my feelings too on the tactics employed by Republicans. So what do you think?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,023 ✭✭✭Fukuyama


    'Merica

    Pew pew pew


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,060 ✭✭✭✭biko


    One party is an elephant and the other an ass.
    In fact they're both asses.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Its a simple case of keeping poor where they belong out of hospitals ,jobs ,colleges

    They don't like the idea of a poor person / family will now be able to afford private health Care now


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,705 ✭✭✭Johro


    biko wrote: »
    One party is an elephant and the other an ass.
    In fact they're both asses.
    Well, yeah, but one ass is shutting down government because it's not getting what it wants. This affects people who are not asses or not affiliated to asses.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,652 ✭✭✭I am pie


    Health Care Affordability for the less well off - Fvck no.

    Several hundred billion per year on the Military - Yessir.

    Top 1% has 38% of the countries wealth, top 5% has 74%

    High fives.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,494 ✭✭✭✭My name is URL


    You know what's kinda funny? Despite all the shit going down in Syria atm, and all the pressure it's under; bills and workers are still getting paid there!


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 31,117 ✭✭✭✭snubbleste


    Elizabeth Warren is very impressive. Well done to Mass voters for sending her to the Senate


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 18,300 ✭✭✭✭Seaneh


    This video actually goes well with the senator's speech.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 106 ✭✭cupcake83


    Amazingly, the Irish know more about the issues than most of our own citizens do. There was a big blow up on my Facebook wall about it all! Somehow some way I still know people who are low income to just barely middle class who still absolutely refuse to accept there are class issues here in healthcare and otherwise. You just can't fix stupid. They haven't a clue about any of it either the facts are useless, mostly that and the black guy democrat did it (in their minds) and they just don't agree . Smh...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,299 ✭✭✭✭MadsL


    Dean0088 wrote: »
    'Merica

    Pew pew pew

    God, that's funny. How do you come up with this stuff? Do you also have a ROFLcopter?

    Here's some more funny stuff. Original too....mmm original...




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Tobyb84 wrote: »
    Do you actually believe that muck?

    Its fact ,

    Its the funny how they slagged off the Nhs and our system ,
    Because its open to all not just those who can afford botox and silicon implants paid for by there well paid sugar daddy's


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 106 ✭✭cupcake83


    Tobyb84 wrote: »
    Do you actually believe that muck?

    You don't :-O ? I know people who are not even middle class who have to pay more in healthcare coverage than they pay for rent or food! This is a real issue here!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,390 ✭✭✭clairefontaine


    Heałth insurance in the US is a scam. There's padding of billing, plus if you pay cash you van seriously negotiate down costs, some places are even blatant about charging higher prices if you use insurance.

    So ow if you don't sign up to the scam, the IRS can fine you, maybe even jail you.

    Supreme Court seriously ****ed this up. They have turned this country into a train wrecks since the Clinton Sex scandal. Why have they ZERO accountability for their actions?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Tobyb84 wrote: »
    I don't believe republicans simply don't want poor people to have health care. I think they think the costs outweigh the benefits.

    The cost of everybody having affordable healthcare out weights the benefits ,
    Wonder if the insurance companies would turn how many million paying customers just because there not middle class /affluent


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,299 ✭✭✭✭MadsL


    Supreme Court seriously ****ed this up. They have turned this country into a train wrecks since the Clinton Sex scandal. Why have they ZERO accountability for their actions?

    They determined that Democrats took a lawful and constitutional path to bring a bill, have it voted on and enacted.

    Now Republicans want to throw their toys out of the pram and force Govt services to close down.

    What happened to democracy?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,154 ✭✭✭Rented Mule


    cupcake83 wrote: »
    You don't :-O ? I know people who are not even middle class who have to pay more in healthcare coverage than they pay for rent or food! This is a real issue here!


    Healthcare and Real Estate taxes are two of my biggest expenses. They are both over $13,000 each per year. The heath care coverage still doesn't cover everything. We have several thousand dollars in extras (for a family of five).


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,189 ✭✭✭✭Realt Dearg Sec


    Tobyb84 wrote: »
    Do you actually believe that muck?

    Maybe just maybe they don't think it's practical or good for the economy.

    So, you figure having by far the highest per capita healthcare insurance spend in the world with the worst medical outcomes of any rich country is...good for the economy? Do explain...while you're a it you could explain how shutting down the government in order to stop an act that is the will of the people at an estimated cost of .1% GDP for every two days is good for the economy.

    You might also mention the issue of limited labour mobility in America that results from being unable to get insurance in New jobs with preexisting conditions because you get insurance through your employer, and how thislimitation on Labour transfer is good for the economy.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 106 ✭✭cupcake83


    Tobyb84 wrote: »
    I don't believe republicans simply don't want poor people to have health care. I think they think the costs outweigh the benefits.

    I'm speechless, you don't know republican Americans like you think you do!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,949 ✭✭✭Hande hoche!


    Reminds me of the coverage of the fiscal cliff.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,299 ✭✭✭✭MadsL


    So, you figure having by far the highest per capita healthcare insurance spend in the world with the worst medical outcomes of any rich country is...good for the economy? Do explain...while you're a it you could explain how shutting down the government in order to stop an act that is the will of the people at an estimated cost of .1% GDP for every two days is good for the economy.

    You might also mention the issue of limited labour mobility in America that results from being unable to get insurance in New jobs with preexisting conditions because you get insurance through your employer, and how thislimitation on Labour transfer is good for the economy.

    Oh come on, we all know the real issue is if employers have to cover the shameless sluts women's birth-control expenses!!


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,175 ✭✭✭Amerika


    Insurance premium rates under ObamaCare are 32% higher. The cost to taxpayers, primarily the subsidies, will add over $6 Trillion to the deficit, with no talk about how they will be paid except for continued deficit spending. And we can’t even talk about massive tax increases across the board to pay for it. And it was all done to help 1/2 of the 15% who didn’t like their health care situation. Help me out here… how is this a good thing?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,956 ✭✭✭Doc Ruby


    Tobyb84 wrote: »
    I don't believe republicans simply don't want poor people to have health care. I think they think the costs outweigh the benefits.
    More like they favour social Darwinism.



    Anyway how is this not an attempted coup d'état?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,949 ✭✭✭Hande hoche!


    Interesting that some employers are already responding. http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/sep/30/us-employers-slash-hours-avoid-obamacare


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,154 ✭✭✭Rented Mule



    There is also the fact that many Fortune 500 companies are no longer insuring their employees. They will 'stipend' their workforce and then let them purchase their own health coverage.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,299 ✭✭✭✭MadsL


    Amazing how many employers seem to think they are doing their employees a favour by employing them.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 106 ✭✭cupcake83


    Healthcare and Real Estate taxes are two of my biggest expenses. They are both over $13,000 each per year. The heath care coverage still doesn't cover everything. We have several thousand dollars in extras (for a family of five).

    Oh yeah , what's your income level? Obviously that's a huge factor in all of this!


  • Posts: 81,310 CMod ✭✭✭✭ Belle Weak Paperwork


    mandatory insurance - costs ++
    No crossing state border insurance - costs ++
    But sure who cares, more and more deficit spending it is...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 106 ✭✭cupcake83


    MadsL wrote: »
    Amazing how many employers seem to think they are doing their employees a favour by employing them.
    Yeah, many of them aren't employing full time anymore or only temporary so they don't have to provide benefits too! This isn't about the rich and money though, not at all.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,189 ✭✭✭✭Realt Dearg Sec


    bluewolf wrote: »
    mandatory insurance - costs ++
    No crossing state border insurance - costs ++
    But sure who cares, more and more deficit spending it is...

    Yeah the prospect of economic collapse is much more inviting.

    The current American insurance system is the most expensive in the world and the least value for money, not to mention that it's utterly catastrophic for competition. These are not crazy socialist arguments, the current set up is totally injurious to the workings of a free market and plays into the hands of vested interests who do not have the country's, and the world's, best economic interests at heart. The current course of action of the republicans will drastically hinder GDP growth, bit if you're addicted to the notion that deficits=bad economic idea then you're fiddling while Rome burns. The right, so addicted to "facts" over "ideology" has become so blinded ny it's own rhetoric that they have forgotten what the point of their approach to the world was meant to be about in the first place.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,390 ✭✭✭clairefontaine


    So basically the I durance companies Re going to have government enforced subsidies.

    Irish readers. You do realise that this is like the government forcing you to sign up for VHI under threat of penalty from the tax office, and a VHI that costs like E 500 a month.


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