US Government shutdown.

Johro

I know it's a couple of days old and the government has already shut down, but someone sent me this youtube vid and it pretty much sums up my feelings too on the tactics employed by Republicans. So what do you think?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UA3I4HAvgUs

Fukuyama

'Merica

Pew pew pew

biko

One party is an elephant and the other an ass.
In fact they're both asses.

Gatling

Its a simple case of keeping poor where they belong out of hospitals ,jobs ,colleges

They don't like the idea of a poor person / family will now be able to afford private health Care now

Johro

biko wrote: »

One party is an elephant and the other an ass.
In fact they're both asses.

Well, yeah, but one ass is shutting down government because it's not getting what it wants. This affects people who are not asses or not affiliated to asses.

I am pie

Health Care Affordability for the less well off - Fvck no.

Several hundred billion per year on the Military - Yessir.

Top 1% has 38% of the countries wealth, top 5% has 74%

High fives.

My name is URL

You know what's kinda funny? Despite all the shit going down in Syria atm, and all the pressure it's under; bills and workers are still getting paid there!

snubbleste

Elizabeth Warren is very impressive. Well done to Mass voters for sending her to the Senate

Seaneh

This video actually goes well with the senator's speech.

cupcake83

Amazingly, the Irish know more about the issues than most of our own citizens do. There was a big blow up on my Facebook wall about it all! Somehow some way I still know people who are low income to just barely middle class who still absolutely refuse to accept there are class issues here in healthcare and otherwise. You just can't fix stupid. They haven't a clue about any of it either the facts are useless, mostly that and the black guy democrat did it (in their minds) and they just don't agree . Smh...

MadsL

Dean0088 wrote: »

'Merica

Pew pew pew

God, that's funny. How do you come up with this stuff? Do you also have a ROFLcopter?

Here's some more funny stuff. Original too....mmm original...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Q-OyhPDobY

Gatling

Tobyb84 wrote: »

Do you actually believe that muck?

Its fact ,

Its the funny how they slagged off the Nhs and our system ,
Because its open to all not just those who can afford botox and silicon implants paid for by there well paid sugar daddy's

cupcake83

Tobyb84 wrote: »

Do you actually believe that muck?

You don't :-O ? I know people who are not even middle class who have to pay more in healthcare coverage than they pay for rent or food! This is a real issue here!

clairefontaine

Heałth insurance in the US is a scam. There's padding of billing, plus if you pay cash you van seriously negotiate down costs, some places are even blatant about charging higher prices if you use insurance.

So ow if you don't sign up to the scam, the IRS can fine you, maybe even jail you.

Supreme Court seriously ****ed this up. They have turned this country into a train wrecks since the Clinton Sex scandal. Why have they ZERO accountability for their actions?

Gatling

Tobyb84 wrote: »

I don't believe republicans simply don't want poor people to have health care. I think they think the costs outweigh the benefits.

The cost of everybody having affordable healthcare out weights the benefits ,
Wonder if the insurance companies would turn how many million paying customers just because there not middle class /affluent

MadsL

clairefontaine wrote: »

Supreme Court seriously ****ed this up. They have turned this country into a train wrecks since the Clinton Sex scandal. Why have they ZERO accountability for their actions?

They determined that Democrats took a lawful and constitutional path to bring a bill, have it voted on and enacted.

Now Republicans want to throw their toys out of the pram and force Govt services to close down.

What happened to democracy?

Rented Mule

cupcake83 wrote: »

You don't :-O ? I know people who are not even middle class who have to pay more in healthcare coverage than they pay for rent or food! This is a real issue here!

Healthcare and Real Estate taxes are two of my biggest expenses. They are both over $13,000 each per year. The heath care coverage still doesn't cover everything. We have several thousand dollars in extras (for a family of five).

Realt Dearg Sec

Tobyb84 wrote: »

Do you actually believe that muck?

Maybe just maybe they don't think it's practical or good for the economy.

So, you figure having by far the highest per capita healthcare insurance spend in the world with the worst medical outcomes of any rich country is...good for the economy? Do explain...while you're a it you could explain how shutting down the government in order to stop an act that is the will of the people at an estimated cost of .1% GDP for every two days is good for the economy.

You might also mention the issue of limited labour mobility in America that results from being unable to get insurance in New jobs with preexisting conditions because you get insurance through your employer, and how thislimitation on Labour transfer is good for the economy.

cupcake83

Tobyb84 wrote: »

I don't believe republicans simply don't want poor people to have health care. I think they think the costs outweigh the benefits.

I'm speechless, you don't know republican Americans like you think you do!

Hande hoche!

Reminds me of the coverage of the fiscal cliff.

MadsL

Realt Dearg Sec wrote: »

So, you figure having by far the highest per capita healthcare insurance spend in the world with the worst medical outcomes of any rich country is...good for the economy? Do explain...while you're a it you could explain how shutting down the government in order to stop an act that is the will of the people at an estimated cost of .1% GDP for every two days is good for the economy.

You might also mention the issue of limited labour mobility in America that results from being unable to get insurance in New jobs with preexisting conditions because you get insurance through your employer, and how thislimitation on Labour transfer is good for the economy.

Oh come on, we all know the real issue is if employers have to cover the shameless sluts women's birth-control expenses!!

Amerika

Insurance premium rates under ObamaCare are 32% higher. The cost to taxpayers, primarily the subsidies, will add over $6 Trillion to the deficit, with no talk about how they will be paid except for continued deficit spending. And we can’t even talk about massive tax increases across the board to pay for it. And it was all done to help 1/2 of the 15% who didn’t like their health care situation. Help me out here… how is this a good thing?

Doc Ruby

Tobyb84 wrote: »

I don't believe republicans simply don't want poor people to have health care. I think they think the costs outweigh the benefits.

More like they favour social Darwinism.



Anyway how is this not an attempted coup d'état?

Hande hoche!

Interesting that some employers are already responding. http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/sep/30/us-employers-slash-hours-avoid-obamacare

Rented Mule

Hande hoche! wrote: »

Interesting that some employers are already responding. http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/sep/30/us-employers-slash-hours-avoid-obamacare

There is also the fact that many Fortune 500 companies are no longer insuring their employees. They will 'stipend' their workforce and then let them purchase their own health coverage.

MadsL

Amazing how many employers seem to think they are doing their employees a favour by employing them.

cupcake83

Rented Mule wrote: »

Healthcare and Real Estate taxes are two of my biggest expenses. They are both over $13,000 each per year. The heath care coverage still doesn't cover everything. We have several thousand dollars in extras (for a family of five).

Oh yeah , what's your income level? Obviously that's a huge factor in all of this!

mandatory insurance - costs ++
No crossing state border insurance - costs ++
But sure who cares, more and more deficit spending it is...

cupcake83

MadsL wrote: »

Amazing how many employers seem to think they are doing their employees a favour by employing them.

Yeah, many of them aren't employing full time anymore or only temporary so they don't have to provide benefits too! This isn't about the rich and money though, not at all.

Realt Dearg Sec

bluewolf wrote: »

mandatory insurance - costs ++
No crossing state border insurance - costs ++
But sure who cares, more and more deficit spending it is...

Yeah the prospect of economic collapse is much more inviting.

The current American insurance system is the most expensive in the world and the least value for money, not to mention that it's utterly catastrophic for competition. These are not crazy socialist arguments, the current set up is totally injurious to the workings of a free market and plays into the hands of vested interests who do not have the country's, and the world's, best economic interests at heart. The current course of action of the republicans will drastically hinder GDP growth, bit if you're addicted to the notion that deficits=bad economic idea then you're fiddling while Rome burns. The right, so addicted to "facts" over "ideology" has become so blinded ny it's own rhetoric that they have forgotten what the point of their approach to the world was meant to be about in the first place.

clairefontaine

So basically the I durance companies Re going to have government enforced subsidies.

Irish readers. You do realise that this is like the government forcing you to sign up for VHI under threat of penalty from the tax office, and a VHI that costs like E 500 a month.

Filibuster

clairefontaine wrote: »

So basically the I durance companies Re going to have government enforced subsidies.

Irish readers. You do realise that this is like the government forcing you to sign up for VHI under threat of penalty from the tax office, and a VHI that costs like E 500 a month.

And employers cutting your hours or making you part time so as to come under the obamacare threshold.

MadsL

clairefontaine wrote: »

So basically the I durance companies Re going to have government enforced subsidies.

Irish readers. You do realise that this is like the government forcing you to sign up for VHI under threat of penalty from the tax office, and a VHI that costs like E 500 a month.

Could you actually back that up with an example? Your figures seem alarmist.

S28382

Its all a conspiracy its the American Government tricking people into thinking the American Government is down which is very typical of the American Government. Sure arent they a bunch of messers maybe its all a ploy so they dont have to pay their debts, its like turn off the lights and hide behind the couch when the man comes knocking.

clairefontaine

MadsL wrote: »

Could you actually back that up with an example? Your figures seem alarmist.

Ask your employer how much your health insurance costs them.

Be interesting to see how much your co pays go up after this.

Not to mention the IRS gets to collect even more data.

Seaneh

Seaneh wrote: »

This video actually goes well with the senator's speech.

It it rich people's fault that poor people don't work as hard?

RiverOfLove

I don't really follow US politics unless small little bits and pieces. I know they have similar problems to Ireland. They have high unemployment, a large debt, and a deficit and had a bank failing too. And that's really about it.

I caught in the news yesterday that there was a government shutdown and they could default on their debt for the first time in the history of their state.

Can somebody tell me what all this is about?

MadsL

clairefontaine wrote: »

Ask your employer how much your health insurance costs them.

Be interesting to see how much your co pays go up after this.

Not to mention the IRS gets to collect even more data.

You didn't answer my question.

MadsL

Claire, the reason I say your figures are alarmist is because "Average Cost Of Obamacare 'Silver' Plan - $328 Per Month"

So what is the basis for your claim that Americans will pay $679 a month?

clairefontaine

MadsL wrote: »

Claire, the reason I say your figures are alarmist is because "Average Cost Of Obamacare 'Silver' Plan - $328 Per Month"

So what is the basis for your claim that Americans will pay $679 a month?

You have been living in the US long enough to detect American hyperbole. I probably should have exaggerated more. But $400 a month is still high.

However, still no one knows the co pay amounts of anything.

And what about people who don't believe in this medicine? Like alternative practitioners.

There's a list of exemptions. I think I may have to convert to Amish or Jehovah's
because I am not signing up to this scam.

oraighne

As an American who has been well-educated on both sides of the issue, I respectfully disagree with those of you who are for Obamacare.

a lot of people were discussing the issue on Facebook today, interesting comments on there.

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=721330421212629&set=a.545396378806035.130103.460721523940188&type=1&theater

Doc Ruby

I've got fifty bucks on a civil war before christmas.

Who's in?

clairefontaine

Doc Ruby wrote: »

I've got fifty bucks on a civil war before christmas.

Who's in?

I think it's coming but I don't know if its coming that soon.

clairefontaine

clairefontaine wrote: »

I think it's coming but I don't know if its coming that soon.

What will the different factions be?

Doc Ruby

Deleted User wrote: »

What will the different factions be?

Who cares, let us just make gambling money from their deaths.

It's the American way.

Doc Ruby

Doc Ruby wrote: »

Who cares, let us just make gambling money from their deaths.

It's the American way.

More money to be made to know what the factions are in advance so ya know who you should sell weapons to.

Doc Ruby

Deleted User wrote: »

More money to be made to know what the factions are in advance so ya know who you should sell weapons to.

We already know who to sell weapons to Button me oul turnip!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NRIr9MNmCwU

clairefontaine

Deleted User wrote: »

More money to be made to know what the factions are in advance so ya know who you should sell weapons to.

I'm sure Obama will find a way to tax you so you make NOTHING.

Doc Ruby

Doc Ruby wrote: »

We already know who to sell weapons to Button me oul turnip!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NRIr9MNmCwU

You have no idea how war works, do you? You can only sell to one side. Then sell to a neutral party who'll supply the other side. :P
It would be interesting to see a Mad Max scenario unfold all because some poor people got access to medicine.

MadsL

clairefontaine wrote: »

You have been living in the US long enough to detect American hyperbole. I probably should have exaggerated more. But $400 a month is still high.

...and still exaggeration.$328 is not $400

However, still no one knows the co pay amounts of anything.

Yes we also will see how co-pays will disappear for some for regular check-ups and STD screenings.

And what about people who don't believe in this medicine? Like alternative practitioners.

Centennial Care (Medicaid) here in New Mexico will include things like Shamanistic Native American healers for the first time, enabling thousands of Native Americans to include traditional practices with science-based medicine under their program.

There's a list of exemptions. I think I may have to convert to Amish or Jehovah's
because I am not signing up to this scam.

Scam? What is your before and after cost. Have you checked?