Champion Stakes

jimjamcos

With the news today that Dawn Approach is likely to line up in the QEII, I'm going to take a chance that Godolphin will keep their two stars apart and aim Farhh at the Champion Stakes.

I know he's horribly fragile but they say he's in good health at present so worth a small antepost wager @ 5/1 IMO. With Declaration of War fav and Intello, Fugue and AK all ARC bound he'll be much, much shorter if turning up on day.

Small bet @ 5/1

Johner

Farhh would have cleaned up this year had he not been injured.

jimjamcos

Johner wrote: »

Farhh would have cleaned up this year had he not been injured.

Yep. He's an awful risky antepost bet but I'd rate him close to an even-money shot on the day if DOW was his main rival. When he makes it to track, never lets form down.

Which race do you think he'll line-up in?

Johner

jimjamcos wrote: »

Yep. He's an awful risky antepost bet but I'd rate him close to an even-money shot on the day if DOW was his main rival. When he makes it to track, never lets form down.

Which race do you think he'll line-up in?

I'd say the Champion Stakes as well and they'll let Dawn Approach have his rematch with Toronado. I just hope he makes it!

UrbanSea

It's easy to say he would have swept up when he hasn't ran a race. Would still like to see Magician run again

jimjamcos

UrbanSea wrote: »

It's easy to say he would have swept up when he hasn't ran a race. Would still like to see Magician run again

Yea, he reeled in Trading Leather in the Guineas that day as impressively as any horse has this year!

walrusgumble

jimjamcos wrote: »

With the news today that Dawn Approach is likely to line up in the QEII, I'm going to take a chance that Godolphin will keep their two stars apart and aim Farhh at the Champion Stakes.

I know he's horribly fragile but they say he's in good health at present so worth a small antepost wager @ 5/1 IMO. With Declaration of War fav and Intello, Fugue and AK all ARC bound he'll be much, much shorter if turning up on day.

Small bet @ 5/1

Tempting.Woud love to see him ahead of Torando in the ratings. Ascot has being kind to him, but he will probably want Leitir More run as pace maker ( I want Leitir More to run in Newmarket on This Saturday in 7 f to allow him a chance to actually win in his own right and not be DAs bitch for once.Of course it has never stopped Bolger in turning LM into a race a mere 6 days later,but LM needs to be effective)

DA has yet to beat any of the older horses. Still tempting.He had no business being in France in my humble opinion, too soon after Goodwood it was not fair on him.

Bit still tempting with Ascot feeds and all. Might not be value, but each way an hope for a place. Would love it if he ended the yea on a high.love it.but fear that won b he way(I have no idea who is running at time of posting so ignore that line ) tough horse that is for sure. I want another DA v Torando and DA to ram home.

Still Newmarket this weekend looks tasty too and can't wait for the British Champions Day at Ascot .

Itziger

walrusgumble wrote: »

Tempting.Woud love to see him ahead of Torando in the ratings. Ascot has being kind to him, but he will probably want Leitir More run as pace maker ( I want Leitir More to run in Newmarket on This Saturday in 7 f to allow him a chance to actually win in his own right and not be DAs bitch for once.Of course it has never stopped Bolger in turning LM into a race a mere 6 days later,but LM needs to be effective)

DA has yet to beat any of the older horses. Still tempting.He had no business being in France in my humble opinion, too soon after Goodwood it was not fair on him.

Bit still tempting with Ascot feeds and all. Might not be value, but each way an hope for a place. Would love it if he ended the yea on a high.love it.but fear that won b he way.

Still Newmarket this weekend looks tasty too and can't wait for the British Champions Day at Ascot .

You tempted by any chance Grumble?

walrusgumble

Itziger wrote: »

You tempted by any chance Grumble?

Ha .DA got.me all flustered.in Kevin Keegan Mode. Now a tasty and tempting Supermac.

tryfix

Don't rate Farhh as highly as others do, but he's a fair price and likely runner as he handles all going.

Something often pops over from France to spoil the party, so I'll be on Morandi at a big price if he turns up.

jimjamcos

tryfix wrote: »

Don't rate Farhh as highly as others do, but he's a fair price and likely runner as he handles all going.

Something often pops over from France to spoil the party, so I'll be on Morandi at a big price if he turns up.

Don't know why. He's only ever been beaten by top, top horses. As consistent as Grp 1 performer as you'll find.

Johner

It's a shame all the injuries Farhh has suffered, I think he is top class. You could tell from his 3rd to So You Think that he was a very good animal, got one of the worst rides I've seen by Dettori that day, will have to watch it again just remember it was a shocker and that was stepping straight into Group 1 company from a handicap. The only time I've been really disappointed with Farhh was when he ranged upsides Nathaniel in the Ecplise and didn't go by. Frankie tryed to make the running against Moonlight Cloud and lost by a neck although it was over a mile. His other defeats were to Frankel, a better jockey on this season and I think he would have been in with a huge shout of more Group One's as I said though a shame about the injuries.

tryfix

jimjamcos wrote: »

Don't know why. He's only ever been beaten by top, top horses. As consistent as Grp 1 performer as you'll find.

He's consistent, his run behind Nathaniel in the Eclipse was good. but beating St Nicholas Abbey by a nose over 10f when second to Frankel doesn't scream champion stakes wining form and his 4l stroll over Sovereign Debt at Newbury over a mile looks better than the bare form of it actually is.

He's good value if nothing better than himself turns up, which is possible, but you'd expect a top horse like The Fugue or Cirrus Des Aigles on form to do him.

jimjamcos

tryfix wrote: »

He's consistent, his run behind Nathaniel in the Eclipse was good. but beating St Nicholas Abbey by a nose over 10f when second to Frankel doesn't scream champion stakes wining form and his 4l stroll over Sovereign Debt at Newbury over a mile looks better than the bare form of it actually is.

He's good value if nothing better than himself turns up, which is possible, but you'd expect a top horse like The Fugue or Cirrus Des Aigles on form to do him.

Himself and St Nic. cut their own throats trying to keep up with Frankel that day. As Johner has mentioned, he'd have gone close to beating So You Think with a better ride a couple of years back. His trainer believes he's better over 10f.

They said over the weekend that Sheikh Mohammed will decide where he goes and if Bolger tells him DA is fit to run in QE11, Farhh will definitely be running in the Champion Stakes. CDA looked close to his best at the weekend but he beat average horses and really needs soft ground. Very unlikely The Fugue will turn up in Champion Stakes with The Breeders Cup much more suitable for her.

hucklebuck

jimjamcos wrote: »

With the news today that Dawn Approach is likely to line up in the QEII, I'm going to take a chance that Godolphin will keep their two stars apart and aim Farhh at the Champion Stakes.

I know he's horribly fragile but they say he's in good health at present so worth a small antepost wager @ 5/1 IMO. With Declaration of War fav and Intello, Fugue and AK all ARC bound he'll be much, much shorter if turning up on day.

Small bet @ 5/1

LOL, I really don't pay too much attention to **** flat racing. I went to back Cirrus Des Aigles and decided to do a double so I also backed the third horse in this race after thinking the price was WAY too generous:

http://www.attheraces.com/card.aspx?raceid=785316&meetingid=62648&date=2013-10-05&ref=results&refsite=&nav=results

hucklebuck

I think a back to form Cirrus Des Aigles has everything well covered and he has ran well in Ascot on his three runs there, his worst performance was 4th on unsuitable ground and he beat So You Think and gave Frankel a scare in the other two, 3/1 looks massive to my mind.

jimjamcos

hucklebuck wrote: »

I think a back to form Cirrus Des Aigles has everything well covered and he has ran well in Ascot on his three runs there, his worst performance was 4th on unsuitable ground and he beat So You Think and gave Frankel a scare in the other two, 3/1 looks massive to my mind.

Will he definitely run or only run if soft s in description?

hucklebuck

jimjamcos wrote: »

Will he definitely run or only run if soft s in description?

He doesn't need ease, he is probably a bit better but he has beaten So You Think and St Nicholas Abbey on good.

Slattsy

hucklebuck wrote: »

He doesn't need ease, he is probably a bit better but he has beaten So You Think and St Nicholas Abbey on good.

Doesn't seem the same horse this year though.

Can't see it winning.

hucklebuck

Slattsy wrote: »

Doesn't seem the same horse this year though.

Can't see it winning.

Look again :cool:

jimjamcos

hucklebuck wrote: »

He doesn't need ease, he is probably a bit better but he has beaten So You Think and St Nicholas Abbey on good.

His run in King George was just too poor for him and he definitely needs soft at this stage IMO. I couldn't be backing him at his current price anyway considering he beat very average horses in his ideal conditions LTO.

hucklebuck

jimjamcos wrote: »

His run in King George was just too poor for him and he definitely needs soft at this stage IMO. I couldn't be backing him at his current price anyway considering he beat very average horses in his ideal conditions LTO.

To be fair GF is a fair way from soft. He has won his last two races and the way he traveled to the front in the last one suggests to me he is back.

I will back him if he runs unless its firmer than good.

tryfix

Cirrus at 7yo shouldn't be capable of reproducing his best form, but given his failed drug test earlier in the year anything is possible.

What sanctions were applied as a result of that failed test, surely a horse caught like that should have been banned from racing for a period of time?

hucklebuck

tryfix wrote: »

Cirrus at 7yo shouldn't be capable of reproducing his best form, but given his failed drug test earlier in the year anything is possible.

He wouldnt need to reproduce his best form to beat this lot, as a 6 year old he gave Frankel a very good race.

jimjamcos

hucklebuck wrote: »

He wouldnt need to reproduce his best form to beat this lot, as a 6 year old he gave Frankel a very good race.

He gave Frankel a proper race but a lot went his way that day too. Frankel broke bad, ground was perfect for Cirrus and probably not really to Frankel's liking.

I think he'll need to be near his best to beat a top form Farhh ig ground's not a swamp.

Slattsy

Are people forgetting about DOW in this?

DOW was backed as if defeat was out of the question against Farhh in the Lockinge (even though we all cleaned up on him) when they met earlier in the season and obviously DOW wasnt at his best and going by what he has done since, you'd have to respect the amount of money that went down on him that day. Serious gamble like.

jimjamcos

Slattsy wrote: »

Are people forgetting about DOW in this?

DOW was backed as if defeat was out of the question against Farhh in the Lockinge (even though we all cleaned up on him) when they met earlier in the season and obviously DOW wasnt at his best and going by what he has done since, you'd have to respect the amount of money that went down on him that day. Serious gamble like.

Admirable horse but couldn't be backing him at 7/2 if Cirrus, The Fugue and Farhh line up. Been beaten almost as many times as he's won. Form of beating Trading Leather and Al Kazeem in Juddmonte is nothing special IMO and was easily matched by The Fugue at Leopardstown. I think Magician is AOB's best at the trip but unlikely to run.

Also see now that DOW has drifted to 9's on Betfair..

hucklebuck

jimjamcos wrote: »

He gave Frankel a proper race but a lot went his way that day too. Frankel broke bad, ground was perfect for Cirrus and probably not really to Frankel's liking.

Ah come off it, the supposed best ever horse rated 147 should beat everything in training even if he misses the break and the ground is a bit slow for his liking. He beat Nathaniel handy enough on soft too.

jimjamcos

hucklebuck wrote: »

Ah come off it, the supposed best ever horse rated 147 should beat everything in training even if he misses the break and the ground is a bit slow for his liking. He beat Nathaniel handy enough on soft too.

It's a fact that Frankel's connections were considering not running him that day, best horse ever or not he hadn't his optimum conditions. I agree that if CDA runs to that form he'll probably win but wouldn't like to be betting on it on what he's done this season. Anyway, suppose we'll see what's what soon enough. Hope you took the 3/1 cause all gone now.

Gringo180

One of Frankels most impressive performances came with some juice in the ground when he absolutely murdered Excelebration @ Ascot, he was equally as good on fast or slow ground in my opinion. If CDA turns up in the same form as last year he wont be beat, but I have serious question marks whether he can reproduce that form at 7.

walrusgumble

Slattsy wrote: »

Are people forgetting about DOW in this?

DOW was backed as if defeat was out of the question against Farhh in the Lockinge (even though we all cleaned up on him) when they met earlier in the season and obviously DOW wasnt at his best and going by what he has done since, you'd have to respect the amount of money that went down on him that day. Serious gamble like.

Each way would be best (with a genuine hope , as a fan that he could do it)

This horse has ran a hell of a season, and has ran loads of races with swfa time to rest. It would be a lot to ask for. Capable of winning, no doubt, he ran well as Ascot before.

tryfix

Cirrus Des Aigles given his age and form this year is now a stupid price at 11/10 for this race. Farhh is even 1lb more highly rated than him. It's a strange race to back in until we see the final lineup, but there has to be some value in taking on CDA at the prices offered.

walrusgumble

ANyone fancy Talent for the 2 mile race after his back to form 2nd in Doncaster, or will Estimate continue her outstanding Ascot form?

Goldcupfav

walrusgumble wrote: »

ANyone fancy Talent for the 2 mile race after his back to form 2nd in Doncaster, or will Estimate continue his outstanding Ascot form?

Talent runs in the Fillies and Mares race over a mile and a half on Saturday she does not run in the two mile race.

walrusgumble

Goldcupfav wrote: »

Talent runs in the Fillies and Mares race over a mile and a half on Saturday she does not run in the two mile race.

Ah, I got my info from the earlier declarations last week, sure Leitir Mor was suppose to run in Newmarket but ended up in a bloody 6f race at the Curragh

Anyho, I wonder will Talent run another good race.

Dubron

Bet365 are 4/1 Farhh with NRNB and 3 places 1/4 the odds, this is an absolute gift! Max each way bet for me just to be covered in case CDA has one last big performance left in him.

mailburner

Dubron wrote: »

Bet365 are 4/1 Farhh with NRNB and 3 places 1/4 the odds, this is an absolute gift! Max each way bet for me just to be covered in case CDA has one last big performance left in him.

Thanks for that
was going to wait till the day but that is just too good to ignore
covered it ew and biggest bet in months for me

I finding it hard to see it out of the first two never mind the
first three
cda disappointed at ascot last time out but whatever happens it
surely shouldnt be that price

Slattsy

Moore off Hillstar and down for ROTW

Maybe that was always the case but i'd assumed Moore would be on Hillstar.

Gringo180

Surprised Mukhadram is such a big price, does he not like a bit of juice in the ground or something

UrbanSea

Morandi would be my each way bet. The softer it gets the better, second to Intello in the Jockey Club and he is a gr.1 winner at two. This is a poor Champion stakes

droidman123

Slattsy wrote: »

Moore off Hillstar and down for ROTW

Maybe that was always the case but i'd assumed Moore would be on Hillstar.

stout is very bullish about hillstars chances, especially with the soft going

jimjamcos

jimjamcos wrote: »

With the news today that Dawn Approach is likely to line up in the QEII, I'm going to take a chance that Godolphin will keep their two stars apart and aim Farhh at the Champion Stakes.

I know he's horribly fragile but they say he's in good health at present so worth a small antepost wager @ 5/1 IMO. With Declaration of War fav and Intello, Fugue and AK all ARC bound he'll be much, much shorter if turning up on day.

Small bet @ 5/1

Itziger

Just saw this race right now. RotW was 4 deep the whole way. Bloody hell, he ran so much further than the winner. Very good race from first three but definitely impressed by the 3 yr old.