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Myths Exposed

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 998 ✭✭✭John Divney


    I love this blog, and others like it trying to use empirical data, they are invaluable to get amateurs thinking about their swing, and that is the only way to improve imo.

    I'd take lessons of people like this in a heartbeat, and pay good money too.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,907 ✭✭✭alxmorgan


    This is also very interesting

    http://www.andrewricegolf.com/2013/05/collision

    Amazing how much being off-centre matters
    Big issue for me methinks :rolleyes: :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,505 ✭✭✭✭GreeBo


    alxmorgan wrote: »
    This is also very interesting

    http://www.andrewricegolf.com/2013/05/collision

    Amazing how much being off-centre matters
    Big issue for me methinks :rolleyes: :D

    I remember seeing that "live" during one event but was never able to find it online, cheers!

    I use a black marker when practicing, a bit on the ball and then line that up with the clubface, you get to see exactly where you hit...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,907 ✭✭✭alxmorgan


    GreeBo wrote: »
    I remember seeing that "live" during one event but was never able to find it online, cheers!

    I use a black marker when practicing, a bit on the ball and then line that up with the clubface, you get to see exactly where you hit...

    Was just discussing this a while ago with another boardsie....i.e. how to work on centered contact. Is it a case of marking it in some way so you see where you hit and then try to repeat "feel" of good ones ?

    I have seen gate drills (tees either side of ball and get club face going through without hitting) to promote this. Any others ?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,505 ✭✭✭✭GreeBo


    alxmorgan wrote: »
    Was just discussing this a while ago with another boardsie....i.e. how to work on centered contact. Is it a case of marking it in some way so you see where you hit and then try to repeat "feel" of good ones ?

    I have seen gate drills (tees either side of ball and get club face going through without hitting) to promote this. Any others ?

    I really only use it for 2 things.
    1) To make sure that the ball moved in the air for the reason I think it did.
    (off centre hits can play havoc with the shot shape)
    2) to see if I am mi****ting it the same way everytime. If its always off the toe, perhaps I am too far away? etc etc

    One thing to try is to see how slow your swing has to get to increase the centre hits. The distance you gain from a middle hit is unreal. also gripping down on the shaft can help with this, especially with the driver.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 998 ✭✭✭John Divney


    Yep, on the course it's easy to see as the clubface always leaves the dimple marks on the face, It's invaluable to clean it after every drive so you can see the next one.

    You can quick fix some things, tee a bit lower and don't ground the driver to stop the skyballs, add more axis tilt to promote the upswinger, address the ball closer or the opposite,. Can save your round, even if it's just a patch on poor technique that particular day.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,505 ✭✭✭✭GreeBo


    Yep, on the course it's easy to see as the clubface always leaves the dimple marks on the face, It's invaluable to clean it after every drive so you can see the next one.

    You can quick fix some things, tee a bit lower and don't ground the driver to stop the skyballs, add more axis tilt to promote the upswinger, address the ball closer or the opposite,. Can save your round, even if it's just a patch on poor technique that particular day.

    eek!:eek:
    skyballs are caused by hitting down on the ball too much...tee it higher and hit up into them, not tee it lower!
    Otherwise you are just encouraging yourself to swing down and pop it up.

    The bottom of your driver should be almost perfect, otherwise you are hitting the ground. (mine is not perfect!)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 998 ✭✭✭John Divney


    I should say not a actual crown skyball, just a way higher ball than the centre hit from a flat aoa.

    When it happens I tee slightly lower, as a quick fix.so I don't start slicing it due to pushing the upward Aoa. A quick fix to get the ball out on the back 9 and score, rather than play from the rough and blow a good round.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,490 ✭✭✭Almaviva


    Interesting alright. We have discussed it here before, but it shows up the garbage that most teaching pros have been advocating over the years, and that while they can play very well, by and large, dont really have a clue how they are doing it, let alone the ability to pass on that knowledge to anyone else.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,505 ✭✭✭✭GreeBo


    GreeBo wrote: »
    I really only use it for 2 things.
    1) To make sure that the ball moved in the air for the reason I think it did.
    (off centre hits can play havoc with the shot shape)
    2) to see if I am mi****ting it the same way everytime. If its always off the toe, perhaps I am too far away? etc etc

    One thing to try is to see how slow your swing has to get to increase the centre hits. The distance you gain from a middle hit is unreal. also gripping down on the shaft can help with this, especially with the driver.

    Another interesting one from AR golf.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 998 ✭✭✭John Divney


    Have you seen that rule of 84 degrees thing?

    In terms of iron play and 'covering the ball, it really does seem to be the optimum position to move into the downswing.

    (NOT for driver)

    http://www.andrewricegolf.com/tag/84-degree-line/

    Staying centred over the ball for me, and not an exagerated weight shift back and forth, really promotes better impact position.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,505 ✭✭✭✭GreeBo


    Have you seen that rule of 84 degrees thing?

    In terms of iron play and 'covering the ball, it really does seem to be the optimum position to move into the downswing.

    (NOT for driver)

    http://www.andrewricegolf.com/tag/84-degree-line/

    Staying centred over the ball for me, and not an exagerated weight shift back and forth, really promotes better impact position.
    I have to say I dont like that sort of over techincal, one size fits all analysis of the golf swing.
    for example, I play the ball just inside my left foot with all clubs, I am already not following his "perfect setup" so what does that mean?
    am I 87 degrees or 81?
    In a humans swing there are far too many moving parts for number slike 84* to have any relevance imo.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 998 ✭✭✭John Divney


    I don't think it's a '84 or nothing thing, it's a way of saying that many of the best players all unconsciously have it at the top of the backswing.

    It's simply the visual aid of keeping the body centered, rather than all weight on right, then transfer.

    If you play the ball of your left, this might be helpful, as you wouldn't need a massive Hoganesque hip slide to get down over the ball to get good descending strikes?

    I' wouldn't say it's set up, more 'position' at the top of the backswing. Have a read through, you may like it, it won't interfere with your swing as it its't really mechanics.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,907 ✭✭✭alxmorgan


    GreeBo wrote: »
    Another interesting one from AR golf.

    You read my mind :D ...I was just planning tomorrow nights range visit and this is the plan. Start to "feel" what its like to hit it in different parts of the face with the aim of being able to hit the middle more often.

    Had a bad case of the lefts ruin back 9 of my round on Sunday and I "think" it was caused by toe hits as swing felt the same. At least without video, trained eyes on me or trackman that's all I have to go on. Can't hurt anyway as centre contact is great regardless


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,505 ✭✭✭✭GreeBo


    alxmorgan wrote: »
    You read my mind :D ...I was just planning tomorrow nights range visit and this is the plan. Start to "feel" what its like to hit it in different parts of the face with the aim of being able to hit the middle more often.

    Had a bad case of the lefts ruin back 9 of my round on Sunday and I "think" it was caused by toe hits as swing felt the same. At least without video, trained eyes on me or trackman that's all I have to go on. Can't hurt anyway as centre contact is great regardless

    another one for the range if you are feeling confident
    hit some shots with your eyes closed or hit some from the "correct" at the top position.

    with they eyes closed Id advise using small tee, but you it can be an eye opener to see if you are standing to close/far or have the ball in the wrong natural position for your swing.

    i used to to it a lot years ago and could hit it almost as well with my eyes shut as open....I often putt better with my eyes closed too...but thats for another thread ;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,907 ✭✭✭alxmorgan


    GreeBo wrote: »
    another one for the range if you are feeling confident
    hit some shots with your eyes closed or hit some from the "correct" at the top position.

    with they eyes closed Id advise using small tee, but you it can be an eye opener to see if you are standing to close/far or have the ball in the wrong natural position for your swing.

    i used to to it a lot years ago and could hit it almost as well with my eyes shut as open....I often putt better with my eyes closed too...but thats for another thread ;)

    Nice one...will try that


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 753 ✭✭✭denishurley


    GreeBo wrote: »
    another one for the range if you are feeling confident
    hit some shots with your eyes closed or hit some from the "correct" at the top position.

    with they eyes closed Id advise using small tee, but you it can be an eye opener to see if you are standing to close/far or have the ball in the wrong natural position for your swing.

    i used to to it a lot years ago and could hit it almost as well with my eyes shut as open....I often putt better with my eyes closed too...but thats for another thread ;)

    Pun intended?!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,505 ✭✭✭✭GreeBo


    Pun intended?!

    lets say....yes!
    it can also be a shin bruiser when you learn you stand too close ;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,907 ✭✭✭alxmorgan




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 432 ✭✭Hacker111


    GreeBo wrote: »
    another one for the range if you are feeling confident
    hit some shots with your eyes closed or hit some from the "correct" at the top position.

    with they eyes closed Id advise using small tee, but you it can be an eye opener to see if you are standing to close/far or have the ball in the wrong natural position for your swing.

    i used to to it a lot years ago and could hit it almost as well with my eyes shut as open....I often putt better with my eyes closed too...but thats for another thread ;)

    I hit my last 10 balls at the range last nite with eyes closed, first time. Hit all ten really well.... actually creamed some..best of night. hit 2 normal (eyes open) in the middle of 10 and hits were not as good... scuffed ground a touch.... Seriously, how does this happen?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,505 ✭✭✭✭GreeBo


    Hacker111 wrote: »
    I hit my last 10 balls at the range last nite with eyes closed, first time. Hit all ten really well.... actually creamed some..best of night. hit 2 normal (eyes open) in the middle of 10 and hits were not as good... scuffed ground a touch.... Seriously, how does this happen?

    I reckon its because you swing through the ball and not at it.
    There is no panic lunging at any stage; there is no point because you dont know what you are lunging at or where.

    You probably had a lovely tempo too...for the same reasons as above.
    The swing takes 1-2s, not enough time to do anything other than get in your own way.

    Thinking about hitting the ball is the biggest barrier to hitting it well :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,907 ✭✭✭alxmorgan


    GreeBo wrote: »
    I reckon its because you swing through the ball and not at it.
    There is no panic lunging at any stage; there is no point because you dont know what you are lunging at or where.

    You probably had a lovely tempo too...for the same reasons asi above.
    The swing takes 1-2s, not enough time to do anything other than get in your own way.

    Thinking about hitting the ball is the biggest barrier to hitting it well :)

    It's why they say beware the injured golfer - because when you are worried about the injury you stop thinking about the swing !!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,907 ✭✭✭alxmorgan


    alxmorgan wrote: »
    This is also very interesting

    http://www.andrewricegolf.com/2013/05/collision

    Amazing how much being off-centre matters
    Big issue for me methinks :rolleyes: :D

    Some thoughts on being offline...and possibly inconsistent in general....I have been thinking for a while that contact point is the main reason.

    http://www.andrewricegolf.com/2013/11/why-do-i-hit-offline-shots/


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 463 ✭✭mister gullible


    Hacker111 wrote: »
    I hit my last 10 balls at the range last nite with eyes closed, first time. Hit all ten really well.... actually creamed some..best of night. hit 2 normal (eyes open) in the middle of 10 and hits were not as good... scuffed ground a touch.... Seriously, how does this happen?

    You prob concentrated harder on staying in posture when hitting the 'shut eye' ones....


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,907 ✭✭✭alxmorgan


    An interesting one from Big Joe on low trajectory high spin pitches

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yQEBCaCSpyY


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,907 ✭✭✭alxmorgan




  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 18,335 Mod ✭✭✭✭slave1


    alxmorgan wrote: »
    It's why they say beware the injured golfer - because when you are worried about the injury you stop thinking about the swing !!

    Absolutely, I had a lot of problems with my back years back when playing golf and it was particularly bad on one occasion when I won my best prize ever. I could not swing hard at all and was very much out there because the prize was an all expenses paid golf trip to the states and I couldn't not play. I scratched the first, put my drive off the second into the heavy stuff and just gave up on trying after that, around 4 hours later I came in to find I'd won the trip after some outrageous putts after constant lay-ups.

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