Romas hit the headlines again

WilyCoyote

I wonder why this topic keeps cropping up? Have the Irish people wised up and stopped giving them money at the lights/ATMs/Church gates etc or is it still a fertile ground for beggers?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2438646/French-Foreign-Minister-Romania-Bulgaria-allowed-Schengen-zone.html

lkionm

Anytime I see them in traffic I shuffle with the radio awkwardly hoping he dosent see me

Dr Turk Turkelton

Hi ho Silver-just arrived on my high horse...


They are not even from Romania you know blah blah...

Galwayguy35

Cuchulainn1. wrote: »

Hi ho Silver-just arrived on my high horse...


They are not even from Romania you know blah blah...

Some of them are.

Guill

I like Romas I don't know why people complain about them popping up all the time, I'd love a few more in my town.


Nice chips and Great fish.

somuj

The only thing a Roma should hit is the front of a moving train. Their a disgust around town.

Mod: banned

Sunglasses Ron

lkionm wrote: »

Anytime I see them in traffic I shuffle with the radio awkwardly hoping he dosent see me

Why? It's a begging c'unt, not a mate you owe a few quid to or an ex you want to pretend not to have seen as you walked past. Why avoid eye contact? You sound like you might actually give them money if they see you. If everyone told them to **** off the country might be rid of them.

Where are native big issue sellers gone anyway?

michael999999

Sunglasses Ron wrote: »

Why? It's a begging c'unt, not a mate you owe a few quid to or an ex you want to pretend not to have seen as you walked past. Why avoid eye contact? You sound like you might actually give them money if they see you. If everyone told them to **** off the country might be rid of them.

Where are native big issue sellers gone anyway?

They had to move to britian to get bankruptsy to clear the debts from the massive loans they got from anglo!

Seaneh

WilyCoyote wrote: »

I wonder why this topic keeps cropping up? Have the Irish people wised up and stopped giving them money at the lights/ATMs/Church gates etc or is it still a fertile ground for beggers?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2438646/French-Foreign-Minister-Romania-Bulgaria-allowed-Schengen-zone.html

So much fail in this article.

I assume the Mail understand the basic concept of freedom of movement for EU citizens? They can't actually be this clueless, surely/

Annasopra

WilyCoyote wrote: »

I wonder why this topic keeps cropping up? Have the Irish people wised up and stopped giving them money at the lights/ATMs/Church gates etc or is it still a fertile ground for beggers?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2438646/French-Foreign-Minister-Romania-Bulgaria-allowed-Schengen-zone.html

Daily Mail..... Enough said

ballsymchugh

somuj wrote: »

The only thing a Roma should hit is the front of a moving train. Their a disgust around town.

Mod: banned

coming down tough on bad spelling?!

Savoir.Faire

mango salsa wrote: »

Daily Mail..... Enough said

Retuers also reported on this.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/09/30/us-france-roms-idUSBRE98T08120130930

Don't see the point blaming the romanian people for the roma

BeerWolf

Guill wrote: »

I like Romas I don't know why people complain about them popping up all the time, I'd love a few more in my town.

Blame it on their lifestyle - they're a festering pile of thieving *****, and try to play the sympathy card in their beggar schemes with drugged out kids!

BillyMitchel

The Daily Mail discriminating, never thought I see the day.

Eight Ball

Usually I don't like to tar a section of society with the same brush but feck it this crowd deserve it. Everything they do involves scamming, robbing and ripping people off.

dd972

Does Francesco Totti still play for them?

I have 2 roma families living near me. One is good and the other not so. THe one thing we noticed, they have a constant flow of kids coming to live with them. WE talked to one of the other kids who told us, they come in from Romania , if they dont grasp English or are not able to provide anything to the family such as begging or getting a job, they send them back to Romania

SEPT 23 1989

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LGDj0B5WQaA

WilyCoyote

If this is an image of your cell phone which was stolen ........... you need an upgrade

Explanation:
This was posted because earlier the pic would not open and remained as a black and white thumbprint that looked like a cell phone

WilyCoyote

Seaneh wrote: »

So much fail in this article.

I assume the Mail understand the basic concept of freedom of movement for EU citizens? They can't actually be this clueless, surely/

Who is clueless? Check out the facts before giving your own interpretation

mango salsa wrote: »

Daily Mail..... Enough said

OK. Why not get the gist of the story? I bet Jesus is glad that you weren't around when he was telling the parables.

BillyMitchel wrote: »

The Daily Mail discriminating, never thought I see the day.

Can you explain what you perceive as discriminatory in The Mail as opposed to other papers that carry the same story?


The Daily Mail has the highest internet readership of any paper, so what I think it's detractors are saying is, that those readers have not attained the lofty standards of intellectual sophistication that they deem themselves to have.
Some stories are tongue-in-cheek and these should be understood to be so, by anyone that has the basic ability to see a joke.

I could mention Chamberlain's and the Munich Agreement peace for our time jazz but won't. Don't want to embarrass appeasing types.

Seaneh

The Mail is clueless, as EU citizens, Romanian and Bulgarian citizens are free to travel to any EU country.

WilyCoyote

Seaneh wrote: »

The Mail is clueless, as EU citizens, Romanian and Bulgarian citizens are free to travel to any EU country.

There is a codicil. Try reading it.
Take, for instance, Ireland and the UK. Why do you have to show passports at passport control? On the continent you just need ID.

wildlifeboy

I agree with the bloke who was banned.


Mod: also banned

kneemos

wildlifeboy wrote: »

I agree with the bloke who was banned.

What did he say?

Potatoeman

bluewolf wrote: »

Don't see the point blaming the romanian people for the roma

Romanians hate them more as they get compared to them. Much like being compared to a skanger I guess.
I believe many still have to hand over earnings to a clan leader. There was an interesting documentary about them on C4 a while back.

BillyMitchel

WilyCoyote wrote: »

Who is clueless? Check out the facts before giving your own interpretation



OK. Why not get the gist of the story? I bet Jesus is glad that you weren't around when he was telling the parables.


Can you explain what you perceive as discriminatory in The Mail as opposed to other papers that carry the same story?


The Daily Mail has the highest internet readership of any paper, so what I think it's detractors are saying is, that those readers have not attained the lofty standards of intellectual sophistication that they deem themselves to have.
Some stories are tongue-in-cheek and these should be understood to be so, by anyone that has the basic ability to see a joke.

I could mention Chamberlain's and the Munich Agreement peace for our time jazz but won't. Don't want to embarrass appeasing types.

This rubbish story for a start. Take a look at the vile shît they posted when the Bulgarians and Romanians were allowed travel throughout the EU. Or go back to what they used to write about the Irish or if you want a good laugh go back to what they used to say about Hiltler and Britan.

One of the reasons it has high readership is because you now have to pay for the Sun. The mirror isn't worth a ****. Hours of dumbed down nonsense in the rag. It's not good enough to let my little puppies piss on.

Back in your box son and kop the fock on.

EDIT: Roma gypsies are not Romanian, some are! They also come from Bulgaria and Hungary.

MonaPizza

Potatoeman wrote: »

Romanians hate them more as they get compared to them. Much like being compared to a skanger I guess.
I believe many still have to hand over earnings to a clan leader. There was an interesting documentary about them on C4 a while back.

Christ, they're just people. People who are marginalised. Is it right to want to slaughter any group of people just because they didn't get with the program and were too slow to change their ways when the powerful moved in? People like the Roma, Kurds, aborigines, maoris, apaches, etc?

dj jarvis

bluewolf wrote: »

Don't see the point blaming the romanian people for the roma

Because if they hold Romanian passports they are Romanian first - Roma second ,
just like an Irish traveler is Irish first and a Traveler second.

that is why they get thrown in with the settled Romanians

Have you ever noticed in the British press when travelers cause trouble they are referred to as "Irish" , yet they could 3 generations removed from Ireland , having lived all their lives in England and hold British passports.

so - you cant blame the Romanian people for the Roma , but they are the responsibility of Romania until they rescind their citizenship.

BillyMitchel

dj jarvis wrote: »

Because if they hold Romanian passports they are Romanian first - Roma second ,
just like an Irish traveler is Irish first and a Traveler second.

that is why they get thrown in with the settled Romanians

Have you ever noticed in the British press when travelers cause trouble they are referred to as "Irish" , yet they could 3 generations removed from Ireland , having lived all their lives in England and hold British passports.

so - you cant blame the Romanian people for the Roma , but they are the responsibility of Romania until they rescind their citizenship.

They dont all hold Romanian passports though. They are scattered throughout all the 3 countries I mentioned previously. People just see Roma and Romania and come up with something straight from their arse.

I will say this though. I know many normal people from Hungary, Romania and Bulgaria and they are all pretty quick to distant themselves from the Roma people and say pretty nasty stuff about them.

Ross Kemp done one of his many documentaries on them, worth a look for someone that interested. All mad tribal stuff going on.

humanji

It really shouldn't have to be said that racism and advocating violence will not be tolerated.

dj jarvis

BillyMitchel wrote: »

They dont all hold Romanian passports though. They are scattered throughout all the 3 countries I mentioned previously. People just see Roma and Romania and come up with something straight from there arse.

I will say this though. I know many normal people from Hungary, Romania and Bulgaria and they are all pretty quick to distant themselves from the Roma people and say pretty nasty stuff about them.

Ross Kemp done one of his many documentaries on them, worth a look for someone that interested. All mad tribal stuff going on.

yea i agree , but as in the previous thread here about a month ago , a link was posted proving the majority of Roma in Ireland come from Romania , so in fairness statistically you would be right stating that they come from Romania, becasue the majority do

you are legally the citizen of the nation where your your passport is issued , your ethnic background does not come into your legal status

but your ethnic background certainly does when it comes to random racism
akin to the " i feckin hate Irish pikeys" you hear over in the UK , the Irony is they are mostly British citizens born in england

Chinasea

Willy I am confused with you posting this.

Surely there is enough out and out HATE towards the Roma. Surely no more oxygen should be given to this fire.

Lease you have forgotten,


http://www.independent.ie/opinion/analysis/young-and-vulnerable-her-last-days-spent-in-fear-26815942.html

RasTa

After hours is the daily mail of boards

kneemos

RasTa wrote: »

After hours is the daily mail of boards

Short and catchy.Nice.

BillyMitchel

kneemos wrote: »

Short and catchy and full of crap.Nice.

FYP

Lawrence1895

Eight Ball wrote: »

Usually I don't like to tar a section of society with the same brush but feck it this crowd deserve it. Everything they do involves scamming, robbing and ripping people off.

First of all, I thought, you are talking about the government

*gets coat*

suicide_circus

Chinasea wrote: »

Willy I am confused with you posting this.

Surely there is enough out and out HATE towards the Roma. Surely no more oxygen should be given to this fire.

Lease you have forgotten,


http://www.independent.ie/opinion/analysis/young-and-vulnerable-her-last-days-spent-in-fear-26815942.html

what in the name off fook has that case got to do with the article in the OP, Schengen politics or attitudes towards roma?

that poor venerable girl was just in the wrong place at the wrong time.

stop trying to make connections where there are none.

Potatoeman

MonaPizza wrote: »

Christ, they're just people. People who are marginalised. Is it right to want to slaughter any group of people just because they didn't get with the program and were too slow to change their ways when the powerful moved in? People like the Roma, Kurds, aborigines, maoris, apaches, etc?

I didn't say anything about slaughtering them.

WilyCoyote

BillyMitchel wrote: »

This rubbish story for a start. Take a look at the vile shît they posted when the Bulgarians and Romanians were allowed travel throughout the EU. Or go back to what they used to write about the Irish or if you want a good laugh go back to what they used to say about Hiltler and Britan.

One of the reasons it has high readership is because you now have to pay for the Sun. The mirror isn't worth a ****. Hours of dumbed down nonsense in the rag. It's not good enough to let my little puppies piss on.

Back in your box son and kop the fock on.

EDIT: Roma gypsies are not Romanian, some are! They also come from Bulgaria and Hungary.

BillyMitchel wrote: »

They dont all hold Romanian passports though. They are scattered throughout all the 3 countries I mentioned previously. People just see Roma and Romania and come up with something straight from their arse.

I will say this though. I know many normal people from Hungary, Romania and Bulgaria and they are all pretty quick to distant themselves from the Roma people and say pretty nasty stuff about them.

Ross Kemp done one of his many documentaries on them, worth a look for someone that interested. All mad tribal stuff going on.

Can these two posts have been written by the same person?

Pretty ambiguous statements.

[QUOTE/] I know many normal people from Hungary, Romania and Bulgaria and they are all pretty quick to distant themselves from the Roma people and say pretty nasty stuff about them.

So,"normal" Romanians are allowed to criticise the anti social behaviour of Romas but we are not? What exactly are you trying to articulate?????? You seem confused.

WilyCoyote

RasTa wrote: »

After hours is the daily mail of boards

Blood clat mon!

WilyCoyote

Chinasea wrote: »

Willy I am confused with you posting this.

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Yes, I guessed that after the first four words.
Don't muddy the waters

wexie

Chinasea wrote: »

Willy I am confused with you posting this.

Surely there is enough out and out HATE towards the Roma. Surely no more oxygen should be given to this fire.Lease you have forgotten,

http://www.independent.ie/opinion/analysis/young-and-vulnerable-her-last-days-spent-in-fear-26815942.html

That (most likely) had absolutely nothing to do with her being Roma, that had something to do with the perpetrator being a sick perverted scumbag. She just happened to be available, could have been anyone.

So yes, terrible crime, BUT, nothing to do with racism or hate towards roma.

SeanW

mango salsa wrote: »

Daily Mail..... Enough said

Of course, it's not the Guardian :rolleyes:

BillyMitchel

WilyCoyote wrote: »

Can these two posts have been written by the same person?

Pretty ambiguous statements.

[QUOTE/] I know many normal people from Hungary, Romania and Bulgaria and they are all pretty quick to distant themselves from the Roma people and say pretty nasty stuff about them.

So,"normal" Romanians are allowed to criticise the anti social behaviour of Romas but we are not? What exactly are you trying to articulate?????? You seem confused.

The argument isn't about nationalities or who said what, its the the question you asked me about the Daily Hate Mail. Which I answered but you choose to ignore. Keep digging.

WilyCoyote

BillyMitchel wrote: »

The Daily Mail discriminating, never thought I see the day.

WilyCoyote wrote: »

Who is clueless? Check out the facts before giving your own interpretation

Can you explain what you perceive as discriminatory in The Mail as opposed to other papers that carry the same story?


The Daily Mail has the highest internet readership of any paper, so what I think it's detractors are saying is, that those readers have not attained the lofty standards of intellectual sophistication that they deem themselves to have.
Some stories are tongue-in-cheek and these should be understood to be so, by anyone that has the basic ability to see a joke.

I could mention Chamberlain's and the Munich Agreement peace for our time jazz but won't. Don't want to embarrass appeasing types.

BillyMitchel wrote: »

This rubbish story for a start. Take a look at the vile shît they posted when the Bulgarians and Romanians were allowed travel throughout the EU. Or go back to what they used to write about the Irish or if you want a good laugh go back to what they used to say about Hiltler and Britan.

One of the reasons it has high readership is because you now have to pay for the Sun. The mirror isn't worth a ****. Hours of dumbed down nonsense in the rag. It's not good enough to let my little puppies piss on.

Back in your box son and kop the fock on.

EDIT: Roma gypsies are not Romanian, some are! They also come from Bulgaria and Hungary.

BillyMitchel wrote: »

WilyCoyote wrote: »

Can these two posts have been written by the same person?

Pretty ambiguous statements.

[QUOTE/] I know many normal people from Hungary, Romania and Bulgaria and they are all pretty quick to distant themselves from the Roma people and say pretty nasty stuff about them.

The argument isn't about nationalities or who said what, its the the question you asked me about the Daily Hate Mail. Which I answered but you choose to ignore. Keep digging.

Not making much sense here, Billy Boy!

BillyMitchel

WilyCoyote wrote: »

BillyMitchel wrote: »

Not making much sense here, Billy Boy!

Talking about clutching at straws.. Sweet mother of jebus. Its quite obvious what I meant.

Still ignoring everything about the Mail though.

MOC88

My experiences with them are generally negative -a few ones are grand, they're still people at the end of the day. However, I think the bad ones of them would push someone down a stairs for a few euro. These seem more common than in any other denominations of groupings except for one which they bear striking similarities with (I think you could guess what denomination Im thinking of here). I couldn't care less about free movement of people other than overpopulation(ie. if 2 million people moved here tomorrow we'd be fecd) but with this crowd I would prefer if we restricted their numbers, and if they are found to be engaged in illegal activites they should be very quickly removed from the country. Leave people in who want to be here to make a better life for themselves by engaging in society not contribute negatively to it. Im sure there are many Roma that are more than fine but again you have to find the ones want to be here for the right reasons.


One of the worst things I have encountered as far as Roma beggars go is that they operate begging like a business and divide the territory and are inclined to gang up on any others who are begging in a specific area. There are genuine people who are begging for their next meal and they are being forced out of areas by Roma. If you don't believe me find an area where they beg a lot and they will meet up early in the morning to plan out the day and their areas picked for the day.

MonaPizza

Potatoeman wrote: »

I didn't say anything about slaughtering them.

You'd have no problem sending "problem" people back where they could be slaughtered though. How many Iraqis have Ireland taken in to shelter and protect from sectarian carnage? We did after all allow US bombers and troops to refuel and pass through Shannon on their way to mashing these poor fcukers to rags, despite our oh so lauded neutrality. So when an Iraqi Kurdish family arrives on our doorstep begging for help we'll do one of 3 things....call him and his wife and kids a scumbag scammer, scream that he's takin' oooor jeeerbs or a combo of a bunch of other crap including the former and latter.

Pumpkinseeds

Headline on The Times newspaper this morning that Romanians are taking advantage of cheap flights to go to the UK on crime sprees

Chinasea

suicide_circus wrote: »

what in the name off fook has that case got to do with the article in the OP, Schengen politics or attitudes towards roma?

that poor venerable girl was just in the wrong place at the wrong time.

stop trying to make connections where there are none.

Unfortunate side stepping of my point actually.

Haven't we all heard of the Roma being spat at and kicked and manhandled here in Dublin. I certainly have, and have unfortunately personally witnessed it.

I am not saying for one second that everybody is innocent here, but what I am saying, and what is being conveniently side stepped is the very unsavory mob mentality that this ethnic group seem to invoke. Am I to think that we subscribe to, in this case, selective ethnic cleansing towards the Roma?

In my opinion, this poor little girl was brutally, savagely, murdered: “her teeth were ripped out” and having read many of the related reports on this heinous attack it led me to believe that the warped perpetrators felt her life was of absolutely no value. Threads like this imo, as I said, only give oxygen to these gruesome notions. It is not clear to me what other role they actually play.

http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/the-life-and-death-of-marioara-rostas-181766.html