New cars, lack of petrol options

dnme

I'm doing a bit of c ar window shopping at the moment. I'm interested in crossover type vehicles. It seems that manufacturers are pushing diesels on us here in Ireland. For example

Mazda CX-5, the only petrol option is in the executive (most basic) trim. If you want any sort of extras such as Sport or Sport SE trims, then they come in diesel configurations only. Interestingly you can get higher spec petrol configs in the UK, but not here.

Hyundai ix35. As far as I can see, there is no petrol option whatsoever.

What's going on here? What about people who wish to own these vehicles but don't do the mileage to justify diesel?

CianRyan

dnme wrote: »

I'm doing a bit of c ar window shopping at the moment. I'm interested in crossover type vehicles. It seems that manufacturers are pushing diesels on us here in Ireland. For example

Mazda CX-5, the only petrol option is in the executive (most basic) trim. If you want any sort of extras such as Sport or Sport SE trims, then they come in diesel configurations only. Interestingly you can get higher spec petrol configs in the UK, but not here.

Hyundai ix35. As far as I can see, there is no petrol option whatsoever.

What's going on here? What about people who wish to own these vehicles but don't do the mileage to justify diesel?

Go straight into the dealer and tell them what you'd like to buy?

dnme

CianRyan wrote: »

Go straight into the dealer and tell them what you'd like to buy?

Believe it or not I spoke to my local Mazda dealer today, I am very interested in a CX-5 but want petrol. He told me that he had a demo model for test drives but it's a 2.2L D Automatic. FFS! He told me that he wont even bother getting a petrol model in. The whole attitude sucked. I told him that it's a shame that I'll be forced to leave all my hard earned cash over in the UK as I'm all for spending local. He didn't even reply.

Its like no one cares. The attitude is "you'll take what you're given and like it". Thankfully I'm happy to walk away, I'm not compulsive nor desperate and more than happy with my current trusty old banger. I was just doing a bit of window shopping but if I can get the CX-5 in a Sport spec petrol, I'll buy it, but it's available in UK only.

No Pants

The majority of people don't understand when a petrol engine is more suitable than a diesel, they just know that a diesel provides higher MPG and generally costs less in tax. If maintenance problems from unsuitable purchases spring up, they'll most likely be excluded from warranty and therefore not the dealer's problem. If they're brought back to the dealer to fix, all the more money for him/her.

Zubeneschamali

dnme wrote: »

He told me that he wont even bother getting a petrol model in.

Did you try a thousand euro deposit? He probably doesn't think you're serious.

colm_mcm

Aren't you looking at finance with balloon payments etc? Petrol will cost you a lot more in that case as it'll be worth a lot less.

CiniO

dnme wrote: »

I'm doing a bit of c ar window shopping at the moment. I'm interested in crossover type vehicles. It seems that manufacturers are pushing diesels on us here in Ireland. For example

It's not manufacturers.
It's our government who set VRT and motortax rules.
It's them who decided for Irish society, that everyone should drive a diesel - like in the communism.

mickdw

It really is quite sickening now how petrols just are not available here new.
If the whole of europe goes this direction, petrol should in an ideal world get very cheap but somehow I doubt that will happen.

JohnBoy26

CiniO wrote: »

It's not manufacturers.
It's our government who set VRT and motortax rules.
It's them who decided for Irish society, that everyone should drive a diesel - like in the communism.

The government was the main cause of the problem but people have played a part in it as well.

Initially the emissions was much lower on a diesel and they offered better mpg. People became blinded by this and opted to spend thousands to upgrade to a shiny new diesel just to save a few euro at the pump and in the tax office whilst never factoring in the higher maintenance costs associated with a diesel in the process.

Nowadays petrols have become far cleaner and are nearly on par with a diesel in terms of emissions and tax, whilst also being cheaper to maintain. Still though people are still blindly buying diesels for the reasons above whilst being totally ignorant of the petrol equivalent.

If people (who don't need a diesel) would do some research properly before buying, we then might have more petrol options here. Unfortunately I can't see that happening anytime soon though.

JohnBoy26

JohnBoy26 wrote: »

Nowadays petrols have become far cleaner and are nearly on par with a diesel in terms of emissions and tax, whilst also being cheaper to maintain. Still though people are still blindly buying diesels for the reasons above whilst being totally ignorant of the petrol equivalent.

I agree with most of what you said except the above, now I'm not trying to be smart.

Petrols are the ones that are far, far cleaner than diesels. The low Co2 tax has promoted the filthiest of cars on our roads, and the ones that cause the most serious harm to health.

Our bright Government thought lower Co2 emitting cars being diesels was a bright Idea to save the earth, however as most of the soot box diesel cars get nowhere near the claimed Co2 figures then that means Co2 emissions are far higher than claimed also.

The E.U is obsessed with Co2 when even the U.S criticize us for our bad air pollution, the U.S will not allow diesels in most cities and have banned them many years ago.

Co2 is not a pollutant but the other toxic exhaust emissions from diesels are and it is nasty stuff and causes all sorts of health problems.

We should not be promoting the filthiest of fuels, by all means give people the choice but at least give them the correct information. Cheap tax on diesel and diesel cars along with cheaper vrt is really wrong. This should change.

Drummerboy08

I think you're picking a minority in your post there. Audi/VW/BMW/Ford/Nissan/Opel and Toyota all offer petrol models across the majority of their range.

The CX5 would sell a very small handful of petrol models in Ireland given the type of vehicle it is, which is why Mazda have decided not to offer it. The difference in residual value of the petrol versus diesel in 3/4 years time would outweight any savings in purchase price.

Any car dealer wanting to sell a car will give you the petrol if you ask for it.

The Irish car dealers are the ones who decide our options based on some stupid idea that Irish people will not want to buy anything in band c or d so why even bother to print all the options ?

If you tell the dealer what engine you want they will order it for you, if they don't then walk out.

Most UK dealers have much more engine choices than are available in Ireland.

It's not possible that the car manufacturers will offer an engine range in one country and not another so don't let them spin you the BS that that's not available in Ireland.

dnme

colm_mcm wrote: »

Aren't you looking at finance with balloon payments etc? Petrol will cost you a lot more in that case as it'll be worth a lot less.

I have multiple options available. I am happy to wait for a year and finance a car myself. or I can get a bank loan now or I can get PCP deal. I am leaning towards gettig a personal loan and shopping in UK simply for higher spec at about same price as Irish base spec. As I say I'm in no hurry.

Deleted User wrote: »

I agree with most of what you said except the above, now I'm not trying to be smart.

Petrols are the ones that are far, far cleaner than diesels. The low Co2 tax has promoted the filthiest of cars on our roads, and the ones that cause the most serious harm to health.

They both have their environmental issues. Diesel is one of the primary causes of the massive increase in asthma across the western world. One of the "fix's" being thrown at this is the DPF which is a ticking cash time bomb for many motorists. Petrol technology has cleaned right up and emissions are now on a par with diesel.

Drummerboy08 wrote: »

I think you're picking a minority in your post there. Audi/VW/BMW/Ford/Nissan/Opel and Toyota all offer petrol models across the majority of their range.

The CX5 would sell a very small handful of petrol models in Ireland given the type of vehicle it is, which is why Mazda have decided not to offer it. The difference in residual value of the petrol versus diesel in 3/4 years time would outweight any savings in purchase price.

I'm picking what I'm observing and I think I may be identifying a trend - a new trend. That's the point of the thread really, to discuss this as a possibility.

Deleted User wrote: »

Any car dealer wanting to sell a car will give you the petrol if you ask for it.

The Irish car dealers are the ones who decide our options based on some stupid idea that Irish people will not want to buy anything in band c or d so why even bother to print all the options ?

If you tell the dealer what engine you want they will order it for you, if they don't then walk out.

Most UK dealers have much more engine choices than are available in Ireland.

It's not possible that the car manufacturers will offer an engine range in one country and not another so don't let them spin you the BS that that's not available in Ireland.

My car dealer more or less sniggered at me and told me he wouldn't even be bothering with petrol. And his test drive demo is a 2.2L diesel Automatic. Automatic ???

and it is possible that a manufacturer will offer an engine range in one country and not in another. Mazda have done this with the CX-5 as per my posts above that explain this.

dnme

dnme wrote: »

Petrol technology has cleaned right up and emissions are now on a par with diesel

???
You mean diesel has caught up with petrol ? while petrol is not clean it is and always has been much cleaner than diesel.

While even the particulate filter helps with PM it doesn't eliminate the other toxic emissions and diesels are still far dirtier than petrols.

Once again, Co2 is not a pollutant.

dnme

Deleted User wrote: »

???
You mean diesel has caught up with petrol ? while petrol is not clean it is and always has been much cleaner than diesel.

While even the particulate filter helps with PM it doesn't eliminate the other toxic emissions and diesels are still far dirtier than petrols.

Once again, Co2 is not a pollutant.

Well said on the petrol v diesel.

Carbon Dioxide exists in nature (I use the word nature, in the technical sense) and is balanced by a solution of storage through various natural means. Human activity has introduced excessive levels of the compound into the planets atmosphere therefore it can be regarded as a pollutant. Methane is a similar example. As we warm up the planet, we are releasing excessive amounts of methane - another pollutant.

dnme

dnme wrote: »

Carbon Dioxide exists in nature (I use the word nature, in the technical sense) and is balanced by a solution of storage through various natural means. Human activity has introduced excessive levels of the compound into the planets atmosphere therefore it can be regarded as a pollutant. Methane is a similar example. As we warm up the planet, we are releasing excessive amounts of methane - another pollutant.

Yes we are increasing emissions of Co2, but if the Co2 levels are higher than they ever were then why are the temperatures not at least as high as the record recorded year of 1998 ?

Most of the words scientists are in agreement that man emitted Co2 is the cause of warming ( what warming ?) but very few will actually go on record in public and agree with it.

Why do the IPCC refuse to explain lack of warming the last 15 years ? especially if Co2 levels are so high now ?

Sure the IPCC can make outrageous predictions that in 200 years no one will be around to prove them wrong.

dnme

Deleted User wrote: »

Yes we are increasing emissions of Co2, but if the Co2 levels are higher than they ever were then why are the temperatures not at least as high as the record recorded year of 1998 ?

Most of the words scientists are in agreement that man emitted Co2 is the cause of warming ( what warming ?) but very few will actually go on record in public and agree with it.

Why do the IPCC refuse to explain lack of warming the last 15 years ? especially if Co2 levels are so high now ?

Sure the IPCC can make outrageous predictions that in 200 years no one will be around to prove them wrong.

For another thread !