Daughter shoots mother and brother dead, dad shoots daughter dead

Reindeer

http://www.ajc.com/news/news/national/daughter-kills-mother-dad-kills-daughter/nbBSL/

Was someone recently spinning a stat about a gun in the home is more likely to end up harming a family member than a stranger? Seems only one random stranger was killed in this dispute.

Talk amongst yourselves.

Fox_In_Socks

Hope that man will be eventually OK, that must be a living nightmare.

Poor Uncle Tom

They just hadn't enough guns......

donvito99

TBH this has nothing to do with school/naval yard shootings/background checks. Let's not make it ANOTHER one of those threads.

GalwayGuy2

So a man defends himself from home invaders, and people are already turning it into an anti-gun debate

Son Of A Vidic

Reindeer wrote: »

Talk amongst yourselves.

O.K.

FTA69

Has anyone said "Murica" yet?

minidazzler

Reindeer wrote: »

http://www.ajc.com/news/news/national/daughter-kills-mother-dad-kills-daughter/nbBSL/

Was someone recently spinning a stat about a gun in the home is more likely to end up harming a family member than a stranger? Seems only one random stranger was killed in this dispute.

Talk amongst yourselves.

This isn't a case of guns being in the house killing people. In this instance the gun in the house saved one person.

I feel terrible for the father in this, he's just lost his whole family in one day, including unwittingly killing his daughter.

biko

Reindeer wrote: »

Talk amongst yourselves.

Wow, soon it's the last Breaking Bad episode. Sooo looking forward to it.
Btw, it's getting chilly now isn't it. Time to switch the old oil burner on again. Hope it'll stay above zero this winter.

Amirani

The only difference banning guns in America would've made here would be that there'd be one extra innocent person dead.

AnonoBoy

If there were less guns then this would just happen more often.

Don't you people understand?

MadsL

FTA69 wrote: »

Has anyone said "Murica" yet?

I swear to God if they do....

AnonoBoy wrote: »

If there were less guns then this would just happen more often.

Don't you people understand?

You clearly don't.

Reindeer

donvito99 wrote: »

TBH this has nothing to do with school/naval yard shootings/background checks. Let's not make it ANOTHER one of those threads.

Good luck with that.

o1s1n

MadsL wrote: »

I swear to God if they do....

murica..............te

adj.
Covered with many short spines.

MadsL

o1s1n wrote: »

murica..............te

adj.
Covered with many short spines.

Tecate

Cheap Mexican beer.

cml387

The family that slays together, stays together. Or something.

Pj!

Jaysus. Thought I was having a bad day...

Napper Hawkins

FTA69 wrote: »

Has anyone said "Murica" yet?

Yes.

Napper Hawkins

biko wrote: »

Wow, soon it's the last Breaking Bad episode. Sooo looking forward to it.
Btw, it's getting chilly now isn't it. Time to switch the old oil burner on again. Hope it'll stay above zero this winter.

I'm playing GTA V but I'm getting kinda hungry.

Hmm...nothing in the fridge. ****e.

Yeah, getting colder and duller out there now isn't it?

Anyone see Elysium? I could take it or leave it.

BattleCorp

This is clearly a case of where having a gun saved innocent lives.

El Guapo!

MadsL wrote: »

Tecate

Cheap Mexican beer.

But it's delicious.

moc moc a moc

NiallSparky wrote: »

The only difference banning guns in America would've made here would be that there'd be one extra innocent person dead.

And including all other cases, there would be thousands of innocent people still alive.

AnonoBoy

MadsL wrote: »

You clearly don't.

Of course I do.

From my cold, dead, sarcastic hands....

Karl Stein

'M

StinkyMunkey

Tbh, I don't think guns were the issue here, I've no doubt the pycho daughter would have used any sort of weapon to murder her family if she didn't have access to firearms.

BattleCorp

StinkyMunkey wrote: »

Tbh, I don't think guns were the issue here, I've no doubt the pycho daughter would have used any sort of weapon to murder her family if she didn't have access to firearms.

She was intent on committing a criminal act. I agree that she would have gotten some form of weapon somewhere.

The girl's father having a gun here is definitely an issue though because if he didn't have one, he'd be dead right now.

How so Joe

Reindeer wrote: »

http://www.ajc.com/news/news/national/daughter-kills-mother-dad-kills-daughter/nbBSL/

Was someone recently spinning a stat about a gun in the home is more likely to end up harming a family member than a stranger? Seems only one random stranger was killed in this dispute.

Talk amongst yourselves.

He wasn't exactly a random stranger. In fact, he was their son/brother-in-law, even if they didn't know it.

GreeBo

StinkyMunkey wrote: »

Tbh, I don't think guns were the issue here, I've no doubt the pycho daughter would have used any sort of weapon to murder her family if she didn't have access to firearms.

So she would have gotten as far as maybe stabbing the mother, everyone else would still be alive.

StinkyMunkey

BattleCorp wrote: »

She was intent on committing a criminal act. I agree that she would have gotten some form of weapon somewhere.

The girl's father having a gun here is definitely an issue though because if he didn't have one, he'd be dead right now.

And if she and her husband didn't have guns, everyone might be just bruised and battered but still alive.

This situation was a no win for anyone, I doubt the father is thinking thank god I had a gun, I'd imagine he is thinking "wtf, I just lost my entire family in seconds".

StinkyMunkey

GreeBo wrote: »

So she would have gotten as far as maybe stabbing the mother, everyone else would still be alive.

True or maybe everyone would be alive!

BattleCorp

StinkyMunkey wrote: »

And if she and her husband didn't have guns, everyone might be just bruised and battered but still alive.

We can't know that for certain. If the assailants both had knives instead of guns, he'd have probably shot them anyway as they were masked intruders in his house.

This situation was a no win for anyone, I doubt the father is thinking thank god I had a gun, I'd imagine he is thinking "wtf, I just lost my entire family in seconds".

I'd imagine he thought thank fcuk I had a gun at first. Yeah, it would be a hell of a shock to see who the attackers were. Still and all, I reckon he was happy he had a gun and that it wasn't him dead on the floor.

StinkyMunkey

BattleCorp wrote: »

We can't know that for certain. If the assailants both had knives instead of guns, he'd have probably shot them anyway as they were masked intruders in his house.



I'd imagine he thought thank fcuk I had a gun at first. Yeah, it would be a hell of a shock to see who the attackers were. Still and all, I reckon he was happy he had a gun and that it wasn't him dead on the floor.

True, we will never know.

And I will agree the fact he had a gun did save his life without any shadow of a doubt.

I would also surmise that the type and caliber of all weapons involved just goes to show that they were more than adequate for the purposes they were used for. I'm not here to start another gun debate, I've been down that road countless times. The guns involved were fatal and not very high powered, this crime could easily have happened in any country in the world regardless of its gun laws.

GreeBo

BattleCorp wrote: »

We can't know that for certain. If the assailants both had knives instead of guns, he'd have probably shot them anyway as they were masked intruders in his house.

I think the point of the argument is that no one would have them?

I dont think I'd try breaking into someones house if all I had was a knife...would you? Good way to get your head blown off by the cops.

Reindeer

GreeBo wrote: »

So she would have gotten as far as maybe stabbing the mother, everyone else would still be alive.

How do we go about replacing all the guns in the US with flatware?

diomed

It is in the Constitution. Shooting is good. Just remember to call it self-defence. If you are the only one left standing that is what you say.

Reindeer

GreeBo wrote: »

I think the point of the argument is that no one would have them?

I dont think I'd try breaking into someones house if all I had was a knife...would you? Good way to get your head blown off by the cops.

You have cops at your home 24/7?

Zambia

I think this is more a parenting debate

GreeBo

Reindeer wrote: »

You have cops at your home 24/7?

Its a knife fight, its going to last a lot longer than a shotgun fight also its the US, cops are there asap.

I got them out within 5 mins before because we reported seeing someone in a car lot at night.


In any case, if you only have a knife to arm yourself with, you probably dont do these sorts of stupid things, from behind a gun you think you are invincible (if you are a nut job)

SeanW

diomed wrote: »

It is in the Constitution. Shooting is good. Just remember to call it self-defence. If you are the only one left standing that is what you say.

There would have been a police investigation including pathology and ballistic analyses, so if he were lying, it would have to be a very good story.

If you are accusing the father in the OP of lying, I assume you have evidence?

BattleCorp

diomed wrote: »

It is in the Constitution. Shooting is good. Just remember to call it self-defence. If you are the only one left standing that is what you say.

What else would you call this case if you don't call it self-defence?