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  • #2
    Elfman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 221 ✭✭Elfman


    This is not a cynical add i promise but ...

    A mate of mine stared a company delivering table plans and similar for wedding and was based in the wedding hub .

    he put this up on facebook yesterday :
    Top Table Designs has moved out of Daintree Wedding Hub.

    I am sure you all have seen the posts on facebook, twitter and national newspapers and magazines.

    I Paul O’Doherty (Top Table Designs) has always supported the gay community and friend and family would support this.

    It is unfortunate we had to make this unforeseen step of moving out of Daintree Wedding Hub.

    Top Table Designs is still a start-up business with very little Good Exposure any support would be much appreciated.

    Regarding my existing Bride / Bride, Groom / Groom & Bride & Grooms. I will be in contact to make appointments to meet in a local hotel to discuss packages.
    Thank you all.
    Kind regards,
    Paul

    Good on you Paul
    sorry if this is seen as an ad but he deserve the recognition for taking a genuine hit to his company for the sake of standing by his principles.

    Cheers
    Sean


  • #3
    Cody Pomeray
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,648 ✭✭✭Cody Pomeray


    wow.

    What is the relationship between Cake Café and Daintree?

    Is Cake merely a tenant in the Daintree building? Cake have quite a big gay/ gay friendly following so even if they're not related, I could see this damaging them.


  • #4
    Annasopra
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,157 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    Cody Pomeray wrote: »
    wow.

    What is the relationship between Cake Café and Daintree?

    Is Cake merely a tenant in the Daintree building? Cake have quite a big gay/ gay friendly following so even if they're not related, I could see this damaging them.

    Cake Cafe are separate

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • #5
    Shinaynay
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 225 ✭✭Shinaynay


    So this place is having a closing down sale.
    Are you guys happy? (Genuine question) is this the outcome wanted by the LGBT community?


  • #6
    Doop
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,479 ✭✭✭Doop


    Shinaynay wrote: »
    So this place is having a closing down sale.
    Are you guys happy? (Genuine question) is this the outcome wanted by the LGBT community?

    I dont see how anyone would be happy to hear about the loss of jobs in our city, however running a business is a difficult thing, if you alienate a customer group your business may suffer.

    This may or may not be related to the issue discussed in the thread...it may well have happened regardless, many businesses are struggling these days. Its hard to know, but as a customer I will vote with my feet and wouldn't of used such a business that expressed such views.


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  • #7
    Aard
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,905 ✭✭✭Aard


    Shinaynay wrote: »
    So this place is having a closing down sale.
    Are you guys happy? (Genuine question) is this the outcome wanted by the LGBT community?

    I'm sorry, was there a Community memo? As if all the gays banded together to do this.


    If they're closing down because of a lack of patronage, then it's hardly gay people's fault, because there were evidently no gay customers to begin with.


  • #8
    Annasopra
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,157 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    Shinaynay wrote: »
    So this place is having a closing down sale.
    Are you guys happy? (Genuine question) is this the outcome wanted by the LGBT community?

    It's not possible to answer your question. There isn't one lgbt community voice or opinion.

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • #9
    floggg
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,824 ✭✭✭floggg


    Shinaynay wrote: »
    So this place is having a closing down sale.
    Are you guys happy? (Genuine question) is this the outcome wanted by the LGBT community?

    Well if you want causation, look to the owners, not the LGBT community.

    What's your view of the situation?

    Do you think the press or social media shouldn't point out discrimination? Or that customers should give their business to a business who they know to discriminate against certain groups?


  • #10
    Lou.m
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,532 ✭✭✭Lou.m


    Honestly they brought it on themselves.

    I am sorry for them.

    But what do you expect if you offend your customers.

    If you are happy to take peoples money you need to treat them with better respect. And the form that respect takes is as the customer sees it.

    You cannot on the one hand claim you do something on your principles and then give out when your customers act on their principles.

    Too many people are only too happy to take money from the gay community and then have views like that.

    I hope he has a better life ahead. But to be honest there must have been a lot more wrong besides with that business for it to go under.

    To be honest it is unlikely it was connected to the LGBT community at all.

    If you go about saying things like that you are no true business person .

    He acted out a consequence of his beliefs. Fair enough everyone has done what they felt was in their moral conscience. He chose to express the fact that he does not want gays to get married through his business. He took a decision about his business. His business is his responsibility.

    I hope he has the support he needs to cope with the end of his business I really do because that is tough to deal with. And we should all sympathize with him. He is a human being and humans are flawed. His feelings on gays is I am sure one aspect of his personality and not the whole.

    Everyone must do what they feel is right. I wish him better times. I am very dismayed by his views and would not have given him my money myself. But I wish him better times good feeling and nothing but that.


  • #11
    Mr.Frame
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 766 ✭✭✭Mr.Frame


    Who said the shop went bust because of his beliefs/actions?


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  • #12
    Beruthiel
    Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 42,362 Mod ✭✭✭✭Beruthiel


    Shinaynay wrote: »
    Are you guys happy? (Genuine question) is this the outcome wanted by the LGBT community?

    Would you have preferred people support a business that holds homophobic views?
    I certainly would not support such a business.
    I haven't set foot inside Dunnes Stores since the strike back in the 80's over them selling South African goods.

    If you are going to take an immoral stand with your business you must then be prepared to suffer the consequences of that choice.
    Nobody likes to see a business shut down, but, didn't they shoot themselves in the foot?


  • #13
    Shakti
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,153 ✭✭✭Shakti


    "Exclusive, ethical, inspiring"
    Does that even make sense?


  • #14
    December2012
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,695 ✭✭✭December2012


    Well I'm assuming if they did not get business it's because the straight couples who otherwise were their target clients chose not to support a discriminating supplier?

    Either that or the economy's fooooked and nobody's spending ridiculous amounts of money on stationery?


  • #15
    Peregrinus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,998 ✭✭✭✭Peregrinus


    Shinaynay wrote: »
    So this place is having a closing down sale.
    Are you guys happy? (Genuine question) is this the outcome wanted by the LGBT community?
    At a guess, if there was a particular "outcome wanted by the LGBT community", it would be that the place would have started providing services to the public on a non-discriminatory basis. And if that would have saved their business from insolvency, well, so much the better.


  • #16
    lottpaul
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,166 ✭✭✭lottpaul


    Peregrinus wrote: »
    At a guess, if there was a particular "outcome wanted by the LGBT community", it would be that the place would have started providing services to the public on a non-discriminatory basis.

    Agree 100%.
    I presume that most/all LGBT people just want to be treated equally by all commercial, state and voluntary bodies and surely any business would want to maximise their potential customer base? I wouldn't like to see any business close, but if they choose not to deal with a section of society they have to deal with the consequences that they have alienated that group plus their family and friends.


  • #17
    Aard
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,905 ✭✭✭Aard


    The message on the company's website doesn't say that they went bankrupt or anything. My guess is that they'll reopen under a new name, and possibly in a new location.


  • #18
    L1011
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 71,176 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    Aard wrote: »
    The message on the company's website doesn't say that they went bankrupt or anything. My guess is that they'll reopen under a new name, and possibly in a new location.

    The owner was offering to sell it as a going concern, so I'd be pretty certain this won't happen.


  • #19
    Vojera
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,812 ✭✭✭Vojera


    I actually visited Daintree a few times when I was planning my own civil partnership last year. My artist friend who designed our invitations brought me and my now-wifey in to give us an idea of paper types and that sort of thing. We didn't buy much (two gold pens and a pack of envelope stickers), but it wasn't because of this issue at all (we didn't know about it at the time), but because Daintree was VERY expensive.

    Even if they hadn't gotten bad press from this incident I wouldn't have been surprised to see them close at all. The impression I got from visiting and from my friend and his arty-friends was that Daintree was somewhere you went to get ideas or to find out what sort of products were available, and then you went and sourced them cheaper elsewhere. I would have thought a shop like that would want to broaden its potential market, not narrow it.


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