Suspended with pay

V.W.L 11

does this in effect mean dismissal eventually???

KTRIC

V.W.L 11 wrote: »

does this in effect mean dismissal eventually???

Usually.

What did you do to warrant this ?

gordongekko

No it doesn't don't mind him. We would need to hear the story first.

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gordongekko wrote: »

No it doesn't don't mind him. We would need to hear the story first.

the story is no verbal or written warnings prior to suspension

gavindublin

It sounds like a major misdemeanour. Which would leave you out on suspension "pending investigation". To which the investigation leads to your dismissal. They may be making sure they have all corners covered and In a postion to legally terminate.

gordongekko

Or they wish to defuse the situation and have time to decide a proper course of action which may not necessarily mean dismissal.

V.W.L 11

gordongekko wrote: »

Or they wish to defuse the situation and have time to decide a proper course of action which may not necessarily mean dismissal.

the union got no notice of any impending meeting or suspension and NOTHING AT ALL IN WRITING

gavindublin

gordongekko wrote: »

Or they wish to defuse the situation and have time to decide a proper course of action which may not necessarily mean dismissal.

It would be a very softly softly approach from hr who are willing to make a payment to diffuse. Its different in each company. I work for a leading employer in ireland, if we suspend with pay its only with termination in mind.

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gavindublin wrote: »

It would be a very softly softly approach from hr who are willing to make a payment to diffuse. Its different in each company. I work for a leading employer in ireland, if we suspend with pay its only with termination in mind.

especially a haulage company who are constantly in the red

gavindublin

V.W.L 11 wrote: »

the union got no notice of any impending meeting or suspension and NOTHING AT ALL IN WRITING

The company have no obligation to speak to a union. You have the contrsct with the union directly. So you need to contact them and arrange a rep to come in and observe

gordongekko

Why don't you tell us what happened?

V.W.L 11

gordongekko wrote: »

Why don't you tell us what happened?

nothing with foundation just allegations

gordongekko

V.W.L 11 wrote: »

nothing with foundation just allegations

no problem so

Bandana boy

I imagine it means a very serious investigation is under way.

That they have taken you out of the business while completing the investigation would suggest that if whatever is alleged is found to be true then next steps would be termination. If their investigation turns out that the alleged offense can not be proven then I would expect to be returning to work post investigation.

In Short if you are innocent then enjoy the time off ,if not start looking for a new job.

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Bandana boy wrote: »

I imagine it means a very serious investigation is under way.

That they have taken you out of the business while completing the investigation would suggest that if whatever is alleged is found to be true then next steps would be termination. If their investigation turns out that the alleged offense can not be proven then I would expect to be returning to work post investigation.

In Short if you are innocent then enjoy the time off ,if not start looking for a new job.

already doing that,wouldnt get a good reference but these things happen
the suspension was handed down with no previous verbal or written warnings issued

whippet

V.W.L 11 wrote: »

the suspension was handed down with no previous verbal or written warnings issued

if the nature of the allegations are of a serious enough nature they wouldn't need any verbal or written warnings.

Gaillimh1976

It should state in your contract or terms of employment, on what grounds they can go straight to this stage.

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whippet wrote: »

if the nature of the allegations are of a serious enough nature they wouldn't need any verbal or written warnings.

hhmm............................ interesting

fatherted1969

Always found that if a person was suspended on full pay it wasn't a good sign, usually its the company making sure they've all angles covered before terminating employment. Don't think I've ever saw anyone come back from that.

Good luck

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fatherted1969 wrote: »

Always found that if a person was suspended on full pay it wasn't a good sign, usually its the company making sure they've all angles covered before terminating employment. Don't think I've ever saw anyone come back from that.

Good luck

all alleged without foundation or witnesses

bucketybuck

V.W.L 11 wrote: »

all alleged without foundation or witnesses

Did you do it?

gordongekko

V.W.L 11 wrote: »

all alleged without foundation or witnesses

but what is alleged?

mattjack

How long are you with your employer ?

Bandana boy

V.W.L 11 wrote: »

already doing that,wouldnt get a good reference but these things happen
the suspension was handed down with no previous verbal or written warnings issued

As mentioned by other posters the disciplinary process is different depending on the seriousness of the matter. In my own organisation they would be quite strict on following all the steps of the process but for example in the case of theft they go straight to dismissal (once proven) or threat/actual physical harm to another employee.

I have though seen serious allegations fail to be proven after investigation and the employee return to work.

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Bandana boy wrote: »

As mentioned by other posters the disciplinary process is different depending on the seriousness of the matter. In my own organisation they would be quite strict on following all the steps of the process but for example in the case of theft they go straight to dismissal (once proven) or threat/actual physical harm to another employee.

I have though seen serious allegations fail to be proven after investigation and the employee return to work.

in this case it was of a minor verbal nature nothing more,but as you say every place is different.nothing of a physical or criminal nature of any kind,just words exchanged by 2 parties

gordongekko

V.W.L 11 wrote: »

in this case it was of a minor verbal nature nothing more,but as you say every place is different.nothing of a physical or criminal nature of any kind,just words exchanged by 2 parties

supervisor ,boss , coworker ,bulling or racist nature

Maz23

Would you contact your hr for more info on where you stand


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Maz23 wrote: »

Would you contact your hr for more info on where you stand


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hr are no help

Nody

V.W.L 11 wrote: »

in this case it was of a minor verbal nature nothing more,but as you say every place is different.nothing of a physical or criminal nature of any kind,just words exchanged by 2 parties

Problem is what the other party has claimed that you said; for example if they claimed you told the person a fat hag (made up accusation from my side) who should watch out or someone will shoot her would fall under there. That then comes down to a he said, she said scenario and if there are any witnesses to back up either side etc.

I've had people through unpaid leave a few times in my career and most ended up with dismissal but a few with a final warning or similar. The second cases was because of shown remorse and apologizing (the guys who blew a steam cap screaming obecenities about family heritage of the people in the room were escorted off site by security while trying to throw things from tables in the ground obviously did not fall into that category).