5000 cow farm in Tipp.

Pacoa

So which one of yees is building this

Just saw it in the ifj page 17. 5000 cows doing 2000 gallons each and planning about to be submitted. What would their chances of getting that be?

delaval

Pacoa wrote: »

So which one of yees is building this

Just saw it in the ifj page 17. 5000 cows doing 2000 gallons each and planning about to be submitted. What would their chances of getting that be?

Excellent, Mahoney J comes across as very organised

delaval

Why wouldn't they get planning?
A cuter way would be to start with 500 and then ramp up

bob charles

or look for planning for 5000 and get planning for a 1000.

delaval

bob charles wrote: »

or look for planning for 5000 and get planning for a 1000.

NIMBY's are all around

limiter12

I cant it imagine it being that straight forward given the issues encountered by similar ventures across the pond. http://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/feb/13/super-dairy-cows-lincolnshire-objections

darragh_haven

delaval wrote: »

Why wouldn't they get planning?
A cuter way would be to start with 500 and then ramp up

In cork co co the big issue would bevthe volume of waste. Even if you have 6 months storage, they would throw a spanner in the works about having so many cattle in a concentrated area, and in turn, slurry storage and spreading.
Would love Lots to see some thing like it go ahead tho

jaymla627

Wonder who is putting up the money,your talking a 20 million euro plus investment between cows/sheds/milking parlours, even trying to source 5,000 2000 gallon cows would be some undertaking on top of finding good staff to run the whole thing in the first place.

jaymla627

limiter12 wrote: »

I cant it imagine it being that straight forward given the issues encountered by similar ventures across the pond. http://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/feb/13/super-dairy-cows-lincolnshire-objections

The money the county council would get from granting planning permission would be all it takes, sure look at the whole windmill thing involving the uk tells all you need to know about our government money talks.

Pacoa

And run it with zero grazers. You would need 5 of the biggest ones running all day by my rekoning to keep em fed.

stanflt

There are no 2000 gal herds in Ireland

jersey101

Are they going to feed em all in door?? They wont be 2000 gal cow if there walking 4-5mile aday

mahoney_j

delaval wrote: »

Excellent, Mahoney J comes across as very organised

Feck it was hopeing to keep that quite......interesting proposition though but doubt it will get planning for something on that scale.im glad to see that there is finally something in the pipeline for the high input high output dairyman.now we just need to keep jack kennedy and co away from it.5000 2 k gallon a year cows would take some serious management.was thinkibg if bringing stan and maxxumann in with me,they are thinkibg about it and will be in touch!!!!!

mahoney_j

stanflt wrote: »

There are no 2000 gal herds in Ireland

There's one the near me,ballythomas herd.serious herd of cows run by an equally good operator.

Mulumpy

mahoney_j wrote: »

There's one the near me,ballythomas herd.serious herd of cows run by an equally good operator.

Indeed when we were reading the Beano he was reading the ai catologes. No frills in that parlour either.

maxxuumman

limiter12 wrote: »

I cant it imagine it being that straight forward given the issues encountered by similar ventures across the pond. http://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/feb/13/super-dairy-cows-lincolnshire-objections

Talk around here is that its the same guys. The Uk job was attempted by guys not far from me. A couple of tillage men around, have been approached to talk about contracts to supply feed for this. Don't think they are having any luck so far.

delaval

mahoney_j wrote: »

Feck it was hopeing to keep that quite......interesting proposition though but doubt it will get planning for something on that scale.im glad to see that there is finally something in the pipeline for the high input high output dairyman.now we just need to keep jack kennedy and co away from it.5000 2 k gallon a year cows would take some serious management.was thinkibg if bringing stan and maxxumann in with me,they are thinkibg about it and will be in touch!!!!!

What will I do?

mahoney_j

delaval wrote: »

What will I do?

Grassland management and well stick a bog standard parlour in for you,you can leave the jex girls a home though!!!!

maxxuumman

delaval wrote: »

What will I do?

Unless you are coming with either a very big bell or a very big whistle, I don't know

mahoney_j

Mulumpy wrote: »

Indeed when we were reading the Beano he was reading the ai catologes. No frills in that parlour either.

Rember reading bout that,I was a dandy man myself ,when I could get away from the progressive genetics catalogue!!!.id say he got some slagging bout that

blackdog1

stanflt wrote: »

There are no 2000 gal herds in Ireland

There is one in limerick too. Think ts the hannans..not 100% sure but think their doing 2500 gallon average. Whether this is over 305 I dont know

keep going

A bit of gathering in feeding 5000 cows , by my rough reckoning you would need forage from around 2500 acres even if you feed a heap of ration.you would need 4000 acres to spread the slurry.the dealer would never print any story that wasnt true .

Lambofdave

Pacoa wrote: »

So which one of yees is building this

Just saw it in the ifj page 17. 5000 cows doing 2000 gallons each and planning about to be submitted. What would their chances of getting that be?

It's a totally speculative proposition and unlikely to get the go ahead. I wouldn't want to know what the planning fees would be like let alone the fact that the EPA would have to be involved. Unless slurry could be exported further afield, Ireland is not suited to this type of one size farm, I estimate the biggest herd for Ireland will be in the 1000-1500 mark

jersey101

mahoney_j wrote: »

Grassland management and well stick a bog standard parlour in for you,you can leave the jex girls a home though!!!!

ah ye might aswell put the toys in. Keep him from missing the JEX

Timmaay

Yearly delivered average for the whole herd of cows is the only relevant figure, a cow that milks 2500k over 18 months isn't of any use.

But anyways, would say 10 herds of 500cows grazing not make more sence? Dare I say it, in a NZ alike approach!

Lambofdave

keep going wrote: »

the dealer would never print any story that wasnt true .

True they talking about trying it a whole different thing getting it built

jaymla627

Timmaay wrote: »

Yearly delivered average for the whole herd of cows is the only relevant figure, a cow that milks 2500k over 18 months isn't of any use.

But anyways, would say 10 herds of 500cows grazing not make more sence? Dare I say it, in a NZ alike approach![/QU

It actually doesn't from a labour point of view along with the fact you'd need a 5-6 parlours/bulk tanks and associated costs to cut down on the cows walking distances, with the whole herd housed all you need is one big rotary in the middle of all the sheds and run it 20 hours a day with say 3 teams of 3 doing milking on say 8 hour shifts factory farm style as opposed to having 20 plus people doing the milkings across the 10 herds.

delaval

5000 cows 120/person

40 odd people required to run it. That is 40 headaches for the owners

cavandown

I nominate de laval as main man. It be no bother to him. And i'd say he be nice to staff

IvyTheTerrible

France gave planning permission for a 17000 cow outfit, it's due to start operating in 6 months. There are protests but looks like it's going ahead.

darragh_haven

IvyTheTerrible wrote: »

France gave planning permission for a 17000 cow outfit, it's due to start operating in 6 months. There are protests but looks like it's going ahead.

The initial investment must be eye watering. ...

J DEERE

Be an interesting thing to see set up especially with a summer/spring like last years. Hard to imagine how it would cope with a a severe fodder shortage and poor quality feed especially with such high yielding cows

Lambofdave

Did anyone see the ad in the farm exam a while back looking for farmers to go into a partnership in relation too growing grass? The PO box was for youghal
Is this part of this scheme?

bob charles

cavandown wrote: »

I nominate de laval as main man. It be no bother to him. And i'd say he be nice to staff

He would be no good as his furtherest paddock for an all grass system would be in Carrick-on-Suir

Sam Kade

jaymla627 wrote: »

Wonder who is putting up the money,your talking a 20 million euro plus investment between cows/sheds/milking parlours, even trying to source 5,000 2000 gallon cows would be some undertaking on top of finding good staff to run the whole thing in the first place.

They would need investors like the big dairies in the US.

mf240

As bob says grazing out for that size of a herd as they would be walking several miles and it would be impossible to get land together for that many.

It would meal and forage lorried in and milk and slurry out.

I'm not interested but I wish ye luck. Dont pass me when ye have culls to sell!

delaval

cavandown wrote: »

I nominate de laval as main man. It be no bother to him. And i'd say he be nice to staff

I'd break ye in a fortnight. Self propelled mixer wagon 24 hrs a day, out parlour feeders, feed to yield, moo monitors 80 unit rotaryx3 and a hape of Mexicans

We could set up a bio digester to deal with the shyte and the dead ones. Bob would be in charge of this. Freedom could fo the tillage, Quadboy the AI with his 24" tool, Whelan the calves, Kuvo the grub Lakhill th books, Wed be sorted. Who'd be the vet?
I wonder would Jack Kennedy be available as a consultant?

Pacoa

afimilk .... a 32000 cow project in vietnam. It can be done.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3k2ktEouqHo

Pacoa

I wonder would Jack Kennedy be available as a consultant?

He'd need a major conversion on the road to clonmel first.

Timmaay

Saudi Arabia has a 37000 cow farm also. Insane costs of production, it takes something like 2000gls of water to produce 1gls of milk, between irrigation etc! But they don't care, all about security of supply. Bigger doesn't mean better at all, and in Ireland, going anything over the 600cows on a grazing block (like in NZ) just doesn't make sense in my view.

darragh_haven

delaval wrote: »

I'd break ye in a fortnight. Self propelled mixer wagon 24 hrs a day, out parlour feeders, feed to yield, moo monitors 80 unit rotaryx3 and a hape of Mexicans

We could set up a bio digester to deal with the shyte and the dead ones. Bob would be in charge of this. Freedom could fo the tillage, Quadboy the AI with his 24" tool, Whelan the calves, Kuvo the grub Lakhill th books, Wed be sorted. Who'd be the vet?
I wonder would Jack Kennedy be available as a consultant?

You get a megawatt/hr outta that ****e alone

stanflt

blackdog1 wrote: »

There is one in limerick too. Think ts the hannans..not 100% sure but think their doing 2500 gallon average. Whether this is over 305 I dont know

thats milk recorded yield- there are no 2000gal actual deliveries on the co-op performance reports

stanflt

mahoney_j wrote: »

There's one the near me,ballythomas herd.serious herd of cows run by an equally good operator.

who is curly supplying-

C0N0R

Biggest herd I know of over here is 2200 all grazing ran through an 80 bail rotary I think, some operation. I'd say there would be some serious amount of headaches involved with 5000 cows!

mahoney_j

stanflt wrote: »

who is curly supplying-

Dual supplier Arrabawn and dairygold I think

tismesoitis

This thread just screams MILK OVERSUPPLY. Can't count on both hands the number of lads i've heard of who are getting into milk post quotas. Along with that most if not all the dairy farmers i know and talk to are planning on pushing up cow numbers massively. Can't help but think Glanbia and other dairys are like the pied piper luring all these farmers in in this ere of high milk prices.Glanbia are actively canvassing farmers in the south east to enter dairying because ot their proximity to the processing plant.I would be very afraid that these dairys will drop prices to barely breakeven levels in a couple of years and then the sh1t will the fan!!! Best of luck to all concerened Milk is not an easy job i certainly would'nt go back!!

cavandown

Delaval, i knew you the man. Saw Mexicans work on 3000 cow unit in the States. 24 unit doubled up parlour. Four men per milking. three times a day. And maybe a few Brazilians lassies as well?? And Jack Kennedy pushing yard scraper

mahoney_j

cavandown wrote: »

Delaval, i knew you the man. Saw Mexicans work on 3000 cow unit in the States. 24 unit doubled up parlour. Four men per milking. three times a day. And maybe a few Brazilians lassies as well?? And Jack Kennedy pushing yard scraper

Finally found a suitable job for jack so!!

stanflt

tismesoitis wrote: »

This thread just screams MILK OVERSUPPLY. Can't count on both hands the number of lads i've heard of who are getting into milk post quotas. Along with that most if not all the dairy farmers i know and talk to are planning on pushing up cow numbers massively. Can't help but think Glanbia and other dairys are like the pied piper luring all these farmers in in this ere of high milk prices.Glanbia are actively canvassing farmers in the south east to enter dairying because ot their proximity to the processing plant.I would be very afraid that these dairys will drop prices to barely breakeven levels in a couple of years and then the sh1t will the fan!!! Best of luck to all concerened Milk is not an easy job i certainly would'nt go back!!

Why would you- You now test air bags for peogout which involves less milk

tismesoitis

would have loved a test;) wifeee was behind the camara though:eek:

bob charles

I dont think its a big a logistical impossible as lots of you's think. the slurry would be the main issue and you would need 2 trucks working most days of the year to shift 10million gls. 10 - 15k tons of grain would go a good distance to feeding them. There are a good few 1000 and 2000 animal herds already around the country and a handful of beef herds over the 3k mark. Its not rocket science but it involves allot of planning and management. Its hard to see such dairy herd operating in Ireland at present due to the size of current farms and fragmentation of land. Even around Clonmel how many 300+ ac farms are there.