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Missing 65-year old 'Peggy' found dead.

  • 29-09-2013 12:45AM
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,122 ✭✭✭BeerWolf


    I'm sure you've all heard well by now of a 65 year old woman with Alzheimers that disappeared last Tuesday.

    Well, apparently, she's been found dead in Ballymun, by Aldi... with her dog standing by her body.

    LINK

    Chances are she fell asleep and succumed to the cold while hungry and/or dehydrated?

    An incredibly sad way to go :(


    But I really got to ask - pictures of her have been all over the place this week, how was it that no one has even noticed her ? :confused:


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,198 ✭✭✭✭drunkmonkey


    It's not cold enough to die from the cold must be more to it.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,043 ✭✭✭MurdyWurdy


    There's already a thread on this stickied at the top of the forum. Such a sad story :(


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,122 ✭✭✭BeerWolf


    MurdyWurdy wrote: »
    There's already a thread on this stickied at the top of the forum. Such a sad story :(

    Yeah, just noticed it after posting.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,284 ✭✭✭Chattastrophe!


    It's not cold enough to die from the cold must be more to it.

    Lack of food, and I'd imagine especially lack of water, especially with all the walking.

    Very sad. :(


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21 mollybelle


    I am so sad to hear that she was found dead, the whole country was rooting for her to be found safe, my heart goes out to her family and friends. She will be in my prayers. rest in peace lovely lady.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,246 ✭✭✭✭Dyr


    It's not cold enough to die from the cold must be more to it.

    lack of shelter kills people far quicker than lack of water, for a 65 year old to be in the outdoors for that period could easily be fatal. Its a terribly sad set of circumstances.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,248 ✭✭✭✭B.A._Baracus


    BeerWolf wrote: »
    But I really got to ask - pictures of her have been all over the place this week, how was it that no one has even noticed her ? :confused:

    Personally I think people are beoming more self-involved and dont give two f**ks.
    It's sad. Lets be honest there has been alot of media attention around her disappearance. But if people dont give two f**s about the story, they arent going to remember her face .... heck, perhaps to even help an ol lady who seems lost.


    Sad :(


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,284 ✭✭✭Chattastrophe!


    Personally I think people are beoming more self-involved and dont give two f**ks.
    It's sad. Lets be honest there has been alot of media attention around her disappearance. But if people dont give two f**s about the story, they arent going to remember her face .... heck, perhaps even help an ol lady who seems lost.


    Sad :(

    I think the public response to this story and the amount of people who gave up hours/days of their time to search for a complete stranger shows that there are plenty out there who absolutely DO care about others. It's one positive thing to come out of the whole story.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,695 ✭✭✭December2012


    Personally I think people are beoming more self-involved and dont give two f**ks.
    It's sad. Lets be honest there has been alot of media attention around her disappearance. But if people dont give two f**s about the story, they arent going to remember her face .... heck, perhaps to even help an ol lady who seems lost.


    Sad :(

    I don't think that's fair. The simple fact is she wasn't seen by somebody who knew to stop her. She was a moving person after all. Sightings were recorded and there were lots of people looking who cared, strangers giving up their free time.

    Just because more didn't join in does not mean they did not care about this lady and her family.

    Did you go volunteer? And if not, does that mean you yourself are too self involved and don't give two fükcs?


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,214 ✭✭✭chopper6


    I think the public response to this story and the amount of people who gave up hours/days of their time to search for a complete stranger shows that there are plenty out there who absolutely DO care about others. It's one positive thing to come out of the whole story.

    Absolutely..over a hundred people in finglas gave up thier saturday evening to take part in various searches of the area for the old woman.

    Sadly she wasnt found alive but the response to her plight was enough to restore faith in human nature.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,248 ✭✭✭✭B.A._Baracus


    I think the public response to this story and the amount of people who gave up hours/days of their time to search for a complete stranger shows that there are plenty out there who absolutely DO care about others. It's one positive thing to come out of the whole story.

    I am not gonna argue with you about those with good hearts who helped :) Good bloody on them.
    But lets be realistic on the other side of the coin. An eldery woman died near an aldi in a built up area. An eldery woman who was seen over the last week in the media.

    You have to look at both the positive and negative and then call things. Not just focusing on one side. Rose tint glasses and all that.
    I mean forget about the media attention. You surely would think, perhaps hope :( , that your average person would stop and make sure that an elderly person who seems to not know where she is was safe and to help her.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,229 ✭✭✭LeinsterDub


    I am not gonna argue with you about those with good hearts who helped :) Good bloody on them.
    But lets be realistic on the other side of the coin. An eldery woman died near an aldi in a built up area. An eldery woman who was seen over the last week in the media.

    You have to look at both the positive and negative and then call things. Not just focusing on one side. Rose tint glasses and all that.
    I mean forget about the media attention. You surely would think, perhaps hope :( , that your average person would stop and make sure that an elderly person who seems to not know where she is was safe and to help her.

    What exactly does an elderly person who seems to not know where she is look like? Or should I just stop everyone older than me to be sure?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,248 ✭✭✭✭B.A._Baracus


    What exactly does an elderly person who seems to not know where she is look like? Or should I just stop everyone older than me to be sure?


    FUC*ING HELL!!!!!!

    Be respectful dude. She had Alzheimers. Did you not read her story? do you not know what Alzheimers is? do you not know the horrific symptoms of this disease?

    Sounds like you just saw my post, knew f**k all about the story, but proceed to have your input.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,229 ✭✭✭LeinsterDub


    FUC*ING HELL!!!!!!

    Be respectful dude. She had Alzheimers. Did you not read her story? do you not know what Alzheimers is?

    I'm fully aware of what Alzheimers is but that not to say she was wondering around in a confused and disorientated state or at least in a confused and disorientated state to the passer by


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,248 ✭✭✭✭B.A._Baracus


    I'm fully aware of what Alzheimers is but that not to say she was wondering around in a confused and disorientated state or at least in a confused and disorientated state to the passer by

    Sure you know what Alzheimers is?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,246 ✭✭✭✭Dyr


    An eldery woman died near an aldi in a built up area.

    Its not and Aldi and the area is'nt built up.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,229 ✭✭✭LeinsterDub


    Sure you know what Alzheimers is?

    I've known people who knew me one day and not the next. I've known people who've known where they hide the post office book one day and not know where they live they live the next. I've known people wish for the those they know and loved and who no longer know their own kids slip of this mortal relam as a gentle release rather than the person who doesn't know the person who holds their hand.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,248 ✭✭✭✭B.A._Baracus


    I've known people who knew me one day and not the next. I've known people who've known where they hide the post office book one day and not know where they live they live the next. I've known people wish for the those they know and loved and who longer know their own kids slip of this mortal relam as a gentle release rather than the person who doesn't know the person who holds their hand.

    Exactly.
    Now imagine a woman with it going missing for 4 days. You really think she would have zero contact with people as she wandered the streets? Not knowing who she was, who passers by were.

    Thats my point. My only point. It isnt logical. But in any case it's sad tho :(


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,229 ✭✭✭LeinsterDub


    Exactly.
    Now imagine a woman with it going missing for 4 days. You really think she would have zero contact with people as she wondered the streets?

    Thats my point. My only point. It isnt logical. But in any case it's sad tho :(

    I never said zero contact. I said what does a person such as her look like? A 60 something walking her dog isn't unusual. There are no outward signs she needs help


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,673 ✭✭✭Stavro Mueller


    My aunt has Alzheimer's and got lost walking the dog one day when she was in the earlier stages of the illness. Luckily a neighbour spotted her so nothing bad happened to her. But it could so easily have ended like this. I'm sure she'd have walked and walked without quite knowing where she was going. If you'd stopped and talked to her she'd have seemed a bit "off" but if you saw her walking about you'd not have noticed anything out of the ordinary.


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  • Posts: 6,645 ✭✭✭ Musa Hissing Fluff


    FUC*ING HELL!!!!!!

    Be respectful dude. She had Alzheimers. Did you not read her story? do you not know what Alzheimers is? do you not know the horrific symptoms of this disease?

    Sounds like you just saw my post, knew f**k all about the story, but proceed to have your input.

    You're the one who isn't being respectful. Loads of people gave up their time to search for Peggy. I think it's tacky and mean to say people were selfish (what did YOU do to help btw?)

    I don't know what you expect someone with Alzheimers to look like, but most of the time you wouldn't know from looking at the person. Look at the CCTV provided by the guards. A woman walking her dog, all very normal.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,248 ✭✭✭✭B.A._Baracus


    I never said zero contact. I said what does a person such as her look like? A 60 something walking her dog isn't unusual. There are no outward signs she needs help

    No outward signs? dude, its behaviour.
    Do you really think in the 4 days that she was missing she did not have an incident of, well lets be respectful here, memory loss or confusion?

    That she didnt approach some random stranger in that time? Or be it in a shop? etc etc etc.

    Did you just originally quote me thinking "well, how could someone tell by looking" - but totally forgetting about other things?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 959 ✭✭✭maringo


    So sorry she wasn't found earlier. I was hoping she would be found and returned to her family safe. Deepest sympathy to the family.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,229 ✭✭✭LeinsterDub


    No outward signs? dude, its behaviour.
    Do you really think in the 4 days that she was missing she did not have an incident of, well lets be respectful here, memory loss or confusion?

    That she didnt approach some random stranger in that time? Or be it in a shop? etc etc etc.

    Did you just originally quote me thinking "well, how could someone tell by looking" - but totally forgetting about other things?
    My entire point is she could of suffered memory loss or confusion for the 4 days without any outward signs. Yes it entirely possible she didn't approach a stranger in the 4 days. No I read the entire thread and you're wrong no matter if I just read your post or the entire thread. The sad fact remains it's entirely possible for her to look like just a other person waking the dog


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,885 ✭✭✭SherlockWatson


    No outward signs? dude, its behaviour.
    Do you really think in the 4 days that she was missing she did not have an incident of, well lets be respectful here, memory loss or confusion?

    That she didnt approach some random stranger in that time? Or be it in a shop? etc etc etc.

    Did you just originally quote me thinking "well, how could someone tell by looking" - but totally forgetting about other things?



    This story is sad enough without having to read this crap aswell, just drop it ffs.

    Condolences to her family, it really is a tragedy, poor woman.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,673 ✭✭✭Stavro Mueller


    No outward signs? dude, its behaviour.
    Do you really think in the 4 days that she was missing she did not have an incident of, well lets be respectful here, memory loss or confusion?

    That she didnt approach some random stranger in that time? Or be it in a shop? etc etc etc.

    Did you just originally quote me thinking "well, how could someone tell by looking" - but totally forgetting about other things?


    My guess is that she mainly walked and walked and walked with the dog. Until she ended up in that field. Which she may have been in for quite a while. I doubt she was wandering around for all of those days she was missing. There's every chance that she never spoke to anyone after she left the Mrs Browns boys set.

    It's all very very sad. I really feel for her family now. Poor Peggy can't suffer any more but they've got to pick up the pieces from this heart breaking tragedy.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,616 ✭✭✭FISMA


    That she didnt approach some random stranger in that time? Or be it in a shop? etc etc etc.

    I agree.

    If truth be told, I wonder how many people saw her in some sort of disheveled state, or raving, and turned the other way before they could even think about a missing person.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,229 ✭✭✭LeinsterDub


    FISMA wrote: »
    I agree.

    If truth be told, I wonder how many people saw her in some sort of disheveled state, or raving, and turned the other way before they could even think about a missing person.

    People with Alzheimers aren't raving or dishevelled at best( for lack of a better word) they'll look or be confused.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,248 ✭✭✭✭B.A._Baracus


    You're the one who isn't being respectful. Loads of people gave up their time to search for Peggy. I think it's tacky and mean to say people were selfish (what did YOU do to help btw?)


    First off everyone is right. I, or LeinsterDub and I were dragging this into pointless conversation when sadly a poor woman died :( No excuses people.

    But what did you do Musa Hissing Fluff. All previous posts by myself aside. What did you do tho? You talk about those kind people who gave up their free time to help search for her (awesome people btw) But ... did you? ... I mean, if i didnt.... and you didnt .... you know what I am saying.
    You were absolutely right to say what you said in regards to my posts in this thread so far. But what did you do? You called me out on this one, but what did you do? We are both equals and as such we are both equal to our reactions on this sad matter to what we could have done.

    Or will you turn around and say because I said X Y Z (even tho I admitted i was in the wrong) - that some how I am a jerk for not helping, whilst you are not for not helping?


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,059 ✭✭✭WilyCoyote


    Sad end to a sad story. Goodbye Peggy and Casper.


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