Mazda6 pricing

Stallingrad

Just saw the new 6 being advertised for up to €40k, with the SE being around €36k, which is about €10k more than the old car! It's a handsome car but at those prices it has moved away from Passat/Mondeo and into 3/5 series money. Crazy if you ask me, no wonder I've seen so few.

road_high

Have to admit Ive seen a few but not loads. It looks massive, bigger than the Mondeo or Insignia which are big in themsleves.
Ford had the Mondeo on special for €23,950...I know it's an older car but still looks great and is top of it's class. Not sure the 6 is worth 13k more :eek:

Noccy_Mondy

On Carzone anyway, I can see a Mazda6 SE for €40,000 , and the deaarest mondeo Titanium for €30,000! Madness :O

Scortho

Having seen the Mazda 6 the other day, I have to say it looks unreal. Much nicer looking than an a4.

Problem is the depreciation Mazda suffer.

Barr

Scortho wrote: »

Having seen the Mazda 6 the other day, I have to say it looks unreal. Much nicer looking than an a4.

Problem is the depreciation Mazda suffer.

Agreed its a fantastic looking car , would make a great buy second hand in a few years if it depreciates heavily.

Scortho

Barr wrote: »

Agreed its a fantastic looking car , would make a great buy second hand in a few years if it depreciates heavily.

The car I'm waiting to depreciate is the alfa 4c.

unkel

Scortho wrote: »

The car I'm waiting to depreciate is the alfa 4c.

Wrong car you fool. The 4c will depreciate even less than Irelands favourite, the 1.0l Starlet

A good start to enjoying nice cars on a very limited budget is to pick cars that have already depreciated 90-95% in about 10 years time (and obviously have total and utter fools as previous owners )

Scortho

unkel wrote: »

Wrong car you fool. The 4c will depreciate even less than Irelands favourite, the 1.0l Starlet

A good start to enjoying nice cars on a very limited budget is to pick cars that have already depreciated 90-95% in about 10 years time (and obviously have total and utter fools as previous owners )

Even if it doesn't depreciate I should be able to buy one in a few years....so long as kids don't come along. That's be bye bye fun cars! :eek:

If it's more expensive than an integrale when the time comes though, I'll be buying one of them instead.

And it's an alfa, it's going to depreciate.

unkel

Scortho wrote: »

And it's an alfa, it's going to depreciate.

Normal rules of depreciation don't apply to extraordinary cars like the 4c 8c

Scortho wrote: »

so long as kids don't come along. That's be bye bye fun cars! :eek:.

I bought a Porsche 928 when my third kid was on the way

(that was a good few months before anyone mentioned the "R" word though and many peoples personal little economy got totally and utterly fukced )

bazz26

Noccy_Mondy wrote: »

On Carzone anyway, I can see a Mazda6 SE for €40,000 , and the deaarest mondeo Titanium for €30,000! Madness :O

While I agree that the new 6 is very expensive you have to remember that the reason the Titanium Mondeo is so competitively priced is because that model was supposed to be replaced late last year but was delayed. Ford are heavily discounting them now as a stop gap until the new Mondeo arrives at the end of this year. I doubt the new model Mondeo will be as cheap.

Scortho

unkel wrote: »

Normal rules of depreciation don't apply to extraordinary cars like the 4c 8c



I bought a Porsche 928 when my third kid was on the way

(that was a good few months before anyone mentioned the "R" word though and many peoples personal little economy got totally and utterly fukced )

8c yes. 4c maybe. If they produce it for 5 years, at 2500 a year, your reaching gtv 6 territory.
If they only build it for a year then you're just over sz territory.
I can see the 8c in 20 years going for similar money to an rz now once inflation is added in.
The 4c will fall a good bit but nowhere near what a 166 fell to.
I'd say 5 years time you'll buy one for 10000.

Tragedy

Scortho, that is an extreme case of wishful thinking if ever I've seen one.

Old Mazda 6 ranged from €25.5k for a saloon 2.2D 129PS Executive to €30.5k for a hatchback 2.2D 129PS Sport SE

New Mazda 6 ranges from €31.8k for a saloon 2.2d 150PS Sport to €39k for a saloon 2.2d 170PS automatic Sport SE

New model has a significantly improved engine, an incredibly evolved chassis and structure, and much improved interior design, style, quality and spec.

Listing the run out edition of the Mondeo for €24k is a bit of a red herring, a Mondeo Titanium is €32k with similar enough spec to the 6 Sport which coincidentally, costs €32k.

Mondeo Titanium interior: http://pictures.autotrader.ie/imgser-ie/servlet/media?id=d60c04a6-cbd2-4ce6-b7bd-2f2af498e2d9&defaultImageUrl=http://www.carzone.ie/es-ie/images/no-image-large.gif
Mazda 6 Sport interior: http://pictures.autotrader.ie/imgser-ie/servlet/media?id=21c87aa3-dc45-46ae-9bcb-7a7f28a00a25&defaultImageUrl=http://www.carzone.ie/es-ie/images/no-image-large.gif

MuppetCheck

It's a nice car and the spec is also much higher model for model (Sport SE now has xenons and nav standard) but the price is going to limit sales. Dealer I spoke to said they were trying to move it up to an A4/3 Series competitor.

lomb

Driving a brand new car is always nice. After all who wants someones leftovers?You pay for sure. If I was spending 40k it wouldnt be on a Mazda .

Green Hornet

Dunno what it is but I've always found that Mazda's age very badly in terms of looks. They always have, every single one. Maybe its just me though.

MuppetCheck

lomb wrote: »

Driving a brand new car is always nice. After all who wants someones leftovers?You pay for sure. If I was spending 40k it wouldnt be on a Mazda .

I'd pay that little bit extra for a new 520d auto if I was paying around 40k, the have an offer of leather, auto and xenon standard at the moment I think.

kupus

To me this car is still a beautiful one to look at. I find it one of the better looking cars from the 90,s

MetzgerMeister

I'm amazed how people are saying that the Mazda6 isn't worth 40k but yet they all think that the Toyota GT86 is worth 40k. Something not right there as you're getting a lot more with the Mazda.

MuppetCheck

MetzgerMeister wrote: »

I'm amazed how people are saying that the Mazda6 isn't worth 40k but yet they all think that the Toyota GT86 is worth 40k. Something not right there as you're getting a lot more with the Mazda.

You're kidding with this analogy, right?

MetzgerMeister

MuppetCheck wrote: »

You're kidding with this analogy, right?

Not really! Sure, the GT86 is an excellent, driver-focused car but when it came to Kia and Hyundai increasing the price of their cars due to better design, interiors, equipment etc., they said it was to move them up in the range. That's what Mazda are doing here, they're aiming directly at the 3 series/A4 etc so the price has to be more!

MuppetCheck

MetzgerMeister wrote: »

Not really! Sure, the GT86 is an excellent, driver-focused car but when it came to Kia and Hyundai increasing the price of their cars due to better design, interiors, equipment etc., they said it was to move them up in the range. That's what Mazda are doing here, they're aiming directly at the 3 series/A4 etc so the price has to be more!

But it's almost too close to their prices. The GT86 is a bit unique being RWD for the price but the Mazda offers nothing like this. I'm not downing the car (I'd gladly have bought another one) but for the money they're asking there are a lot of other options.

CiniO

Green Hornet wrote: »

Dunno what it is but I've always found that Mazda's age very badly in terms of looks. They always have, every single one. Maybe its just me though.

First generation Mazda 6 (2002-2007) still looks great among new cars.
Especially saloon with factory fitted rear spoiler.

CiniO

Stallingrad wrote: »

Just saw the new 6 being advertised for up to €40k, with the SE being around €36k, which is about €10k more than the old car! It's a handsome car but at those prices it has moved away from Passat/Mondeo and into 3/5 series money. Crazy if you ask me, no wonder I've seen so few.

I'm really surprised prices are so high.
For comparison I went to Polish Mazda website, and cheapest new Mazda 6 costs 88,700 zl which comes as about €21k.

Considering cheapest version here is €36k, the difference seem to be crazy.

ofcork

The 6 seems to be like the accord and moved up from the traditional class it was in eg mondeo,avensis etc but the problem is its going into c class, 3 series,a4 territory, a few years ago the 3 series outsold the mondeo in the uk.

mickdw

kupus wrote: »

To me this car is still a beautiful one to look at. I find it one of the better looking cars from the 90,s

They really were stunning at that time.
Way ahead of anything else I can think of in terms of exterior styling.

colm_mcm

I remember a local girl had a white one with alloys. Looked great at the time, time hasn't been kind to it though but the xedos 6 still looks fresh IMO.

http://www.google.ie/imgres?client=safari&sa=X&hl=en&tbm=isch&tbnid=b7bCopoqIQ0XMM:&imgrefurl=http://www.parts-specs.com/Mazda/Xedos-6/2.0i-V6-Excellent-1998-4-door-sedan-automatic-016728&docid=qj-5dN8YlKZZ9M&imgurl=http://www.parts-specs.com/photos/0333666-Mazda-Xedos-6-2.0i-V6-Excellent-1998.jpg&w=640&h=423&ei=gUFHUq30D6Wp7Aae74G4Cg&zoom=1&biw=1024&bih=671

BMJD

Green Hornet wrote: »

Dunno what it is but I've always found that Mazda's age very badly in terms of looks. They always have, every single one. Maybe its just me though.

Specsavers, NOW goddamnit

PattheMetaller

Did anyone see the price range for the VW Passat? For a model that is getting a facelift for 2015 it's way over priced IMO!!!

Tragedy

CiniO wrote: »

I'm really surprised prices are so high.
For comparison I went to Polish Mazda website, and cheapest new Mazda 6 costs 88,700 zl which comes as about €21k.

Considering cheapest version here is €36k, the difference seem to be crazy.

The cheapest version is €36k?
Be great if you actually read the thread before replying! The cheapest diesel in Germany is €28.5k, not a huge distance from €32k over here. I then checked mazda.pl, where the base spec 2.2d 150PS disel comes in at...you guessed it, €28.5k! It also had something called a suggested discount that would have reduced it further, but I have no idea what that signifies.

List price in Ireland for higher specced 2.2D: €32k
List price in Germany for lower specced 2.2D: €28.5k
List price in Poland for lower specced 2.2D: €28.5k

Ya, you're just a teeny bit wrong on this one Cinio.

colm_mcm

PattheMetaller wrote: »

Did anyone see the price range for the VW Passat? For a model that is getting a facelift for 2015 it's way over priced IMO!!!

Should it be the same price as a Golf then?

CiniO

Tragedy wrote: »

The cheapest version is €36k?
Be great if you actually read the thread before replying! The cheapest diesel in Germany is €28.5k, not a huge distance from €32k over here. I then checked mazda.pl, where the base spec 2.2d 150PS disel comes in at...you guessed it, €28.5k! It also had something called a suggested discount that would have reduced it further, but I have no idea what that signifies.

List price in Ireland for higher specced 2.2D: €32k
List price in Germany for lower specced 2.2D: €28.5k
List price in Poland for lower specced 2.2D: €28.5k

Ya, you're just a teeny bit wrong on this one Cinio.

Indeed I haven't checked Irish Mazda website at all, as OP sugessted that cheapest Mazda 6 in here cost €36k. At least that's how I undesrstood his post.

Anyway.
Looks like the cheapest Mazda 6 offered in Ireland is petrol 2.0 saloon with most basic spec, costs €28,745.
The same Mazda 6 in Poland costs €21,000.
So difference in price is nearly 7.5k

Cheapest diesel 2.2 in Ireland costs €31,795.
While cheapest diesel 2.2 in Poland costs €29,800
So here difference is only about 2k.

I don't know where did you get €28.5 figure for diesel in Poland.




Anyway - you can get mazda 6 here for less than 29k in petrol, and less than 32k in diesel.
That doesn't really go on with OP which claimed that you need to spend 40km on mazda6

Tragedy

CiniO wrote: »

Indeed I haven't checked Irish Mazda website at all, as OP sugessted that cheapest Mazda 6 in here cost €36k. At least that's how I undesrstood his post.

I see, so you respond to whole threads by just reading the OP. A lot makes sense now!

Anyway.
Looks like the cheapest Mazda 6 offered in Ireland is petrol 2.0 saloon with most basic spec, costs €28,745.
The same Mazda 6 in Poland costs €21,000.
So difference in price is nearly 7.5k

Did you even bother to look at the spec of the Polish car?
Of course not, a car with far different spec is exactly the same as one with a far lesser spec!

Cheapest diesel 2.2 in Ireland costs €31,795.
While cheapest diesel 2.2 in Poland costs €29,800
So here difference is only about 2k.

I don't know where did you get €28.5 figure for diesel in Poland.

Oh I dunno, maybe from mazda.pl where they list specs and prices for all their cars? Of course, the amazing CiniO doesn't actually need to read posts, or check facts, he can just respond away! :pac:

That doesn't really go on with OP which claimed that you need to spend 40km on mazda6

That had already been covered, if you could have been bothered to read the rest of the thread.

CiniO

Tragedy wrote: »

I see, so you respond to whole threads by just reading the OP. A lot makes sense now!

Is there something wrong with you or what?
I didn't respond to the whole thread.
I responded to OP.
Is this a requirement on this forum to go exactly through all the thread before being allowed to say something?
Or maybe it's just rules set by Tragedy.
I'm terbily sorry then that I missed your post where you mentioned that cheapest diesel starts at 31.8k. Will you accept my kind apology?

Did you even bother to look at the spec of the Polish car?

No I didn't.

Of course not, a car with far different spec is exactly the same as one with a far lesser spec!

I assumed that lowest spec will be similar.
But maybe you are right.
To be allowed by fellow poster like Tragedy to write in a thread, I should have compared every single detail in spec.

Oh I dunno, maybe from mazda.pl where they list specs and prices for all their cars?

If you got a figure of €28.5k for 2.2 diesel mazda from mazda.pl website, then you surely made a mistake, because as I said above it costs €29,800

Of course, the amazing CiniO doesn't actually need to read posts, or check facts, he can just respond away! :pac:

That had already been covered, if you could have been bothered to read the rest of the thread.

Again my great apology.
Now I'm going to write a script for internet browser, which will highlight in red every post written on boards by Tragedy.
Then I'll be sure I'll not miss any of your wiseness.

JohnBoy26

MetzgerMeister wrote: »

Not really! Sure, the GT86 is an excellent, driver-focused car but when it came to Kia and Hyundai increasing the price of their cars due to better design, interiors, equipment etc., they said it was to move them up in the range. That's what Mazda are doing here, they're aiming directly at the 3 series/A4 etc so the price has to be more!

The gt86 is a completely different kettle of fish to a mazda 6. As for the 6 moving upmarket to compete with a 3 series/ a4, im not so sure that's a good move. Both the a4 and the 3 series will always be seen as more of a premium car than the 6 and most people looking for that type of car will opt for one of those before a 6.

Anyone looking for a Japanese a4/bmw competitor would probably opt for the (superior to a mazda 6 imo) Honda accord or a lexus.

The argument about the kia/hyundai isn't really a valid argument. The Koreans are trying to compete in the focus/golf and avensis/mondeo classes rather than at a premium level.

BMJD

Tragedy wrote: »

I see, so you respond to whole threads by just reading the OP. A lot makes sense now!


Did you even bother to look at the spec of the Polish car?
Of course not, a car with far different spec is exactly the same as one with a far lesser spec!


Oh I dunno, maybe from mazda.pl where they list specs and prices for all their cars? Of course, the amazing CiniO doesn't actually need to read posts, or check facts, he can just respond away! :pac:





That had already been covered, if you could have been bothered to read the rest of the thread.

MuppetCheck

JohnBoy26 wrote: »

Anyone looking for a Japanese a4/bmw competitor would probably opt for the (superior to a mazda 6 imo) Honda accord or a lexus.

While I agree on the better image of the Accord or IS I reckon the current Mazda 6 might nudge ahead of them. I like the Accord but wasn't overly impressed by the current model tbh. It's a very nice car, but not that nice. I wouldn't touch diesel IS either. The engine in the new 6 is a cracker imo and very un-diesel like.

JohnBoy26

MuppetCheck wrote: »

While I agree on the better image of the Accord or IS I reckon the current Mazda 6 might nudge ahead of them. I like the Accord but wasn't overly impressed by the current model tbh. It's a very nice car, but not that nice. I wouldn't touch diesel IS either. The engine in the new 6 is a cracker imo and very un-diesel like.

With regards to the lexus I wouldn't be surprised if the mazda was better than it. Imo lexus quality has gone down alot since their heyday. However in the buyers mind the lexus will still be seen as a more upmarket car.

As regards the Accord, In my experience I have always found that Honda has always had higher build quality than mazda. Now the mazda could well be a nicer car but id wager the accord being the better built of the two.

MuppetCheck

JohnBoy26 wrote: »

With regards to the lexus I wouldn't be surprised if the mazda was better than it. Imo lexus quality has gone down alot since their heyday. However in the buyers mind the lexus will still be seen as a more upmarket car.

As regards the Accord, In my experience I have always found that Honda has always had higher build quality than mazda. Now the mazda could well be a nicer car but id wager the accord being the better built of the two.

I think personally the new one is on a par with an accord, nicer interior and if there is a difference it's going to be so minute and more than made up for by the better engine, drive and looks. Neither merit the asking price still though imo.

Tragedy

CiniO wrote: »

Is there something wrong with you or what?
I didn't respond to the whole thread.
I responded to OP.
Is this a requirement on this forum to go exactly through all the thread before being allowed to say something?

It's generally regarded as pretty decent etiquette to read a thread before you hit reply, yes.

No I didn't.


I assumed that lowest spec will be similar.
But maybe you are right.
To be allowed by fellow poster like Tragedy to write in a thread, I should have compared every single detail in spec.

My apologies for assuming you'd do a bit of basic fact checking before opening your gob and making statements.

If you got a figure of €28.5k for 2.2 diesel mazda from mazda.pl website, then you surely made a mistake, because as I said above it costs €29,800

SEDAN 2.2 150KM SkyMOTION 6MT 119 700,00 zł

http://www.xe.com/currencyconverter/convert/?Amount=119700&From=PLN&To=EUR

You do seem to say a lot of things that turn out to be false, no?

Again my great apology.
Now I'm going to write a script for internet browser, which will highlight in red every post written on boards by Tragedy.
Then I'll be sure I'll not miss any of your wiseness.

Sarcasm is a poor defense for being wrong in pretty much everything you've contributed to the thread, and not being bothered to check that someone else might have already replied to the thread.

I know it's minor, but ffs, read a thread before hitting reply, and take 10 seconds to do a quick google on something before making pronouncements and statements. Boards will be a better place for it.

CiniO

Tragedy wrote: »

SEDAN 2.2 150KM SkyMOTION 6MT 119 700,00 zł

http://www.xe.com/currencyconverter/convert/?Amount=119700&From=PLN&To=EUR

You do seem to say a lot of things that turn out to be false, no?

For some reason the cheapest I can find is
Sedan, SkyMOTION 2.2l SKYACTIV-D 150KM i-ELOOP for 125,900 zl
Sorry - I couldn't find any cheaper diesel.

Sarcasm is a poor defense for being wrong in pretty much everything you've contributed to the thread, and not being bothered to check that someone else might have already replied to the thread.

I know it's minor, but ffs, read a thread before hitting reply, and take 10 seconds to do a quick google on something before making pronouncements and statements. Boards will be a better place for it.

Feel free to report me to the mods if you don't like my contribution to the thread.

Tea 1000

lomb wrote: »

Driving a brand new car is always nice. After all who wants someones leftovers?You pay for sure. If I was spending 40k it wouldnt be on a Mazda .

If I were spending 40k on a brand new car, it'd be a Toyota GT86.

MetzgerMeister wrote: »

I'm amazed how people are saying that the Mazda6 isn't worth 40k but yet they all think that the Toyota GT86 is worth 40k. Something not right there as you're getting a lot more with the Mazda.

No, the GT86 is worth the money. It's the best sports car this side of a Porsche Cayman. The Mazda would want to be the best Saloon this side of a 535d to compare!

JohnBoy26 wrote: »

The gt86 is a completely different kettle of fish to a mazda 6. As for the 6 moving upmarket to compete with a 3 series/ a4, im not so sure that's a good move. Both the a4 and the 3 series will always be seen as more of a premium car than the 6 and most people looking for that type of car will opt for one of those before a 6.

Anyone looking for a Japanese a4/bmw competitor would probably opt for the (superior to a mazda 6 imo) Honda accord or a lexus.

The argument about the kia/hyundai isn't really a valid argument. The Koreans are trying to compete in the focus/golf and avensis/mondeo classes rather than at a premium level.

I think in order to establish yourself properly as a real world contender to the class above is to first sell cars. To do that you need to make your car better than the rest and also price it lower. Remember when the revised Passat came out in 1997? It moved the bar to a new high in that class, was the same as an A4 in terms of quality, shard the majority of the components (way more then than it does today) and yet not only cost €6,000 less, but it cost around €3k less than the outgoing model and also less than the Avensis. Mazda need to do the same with the 6. Make it cheaper than the rest. When you become the default choice in the market, then you can start to dictate price and still get the sales.

JohnBoy26 wrote: »

With regards to the lexus I wouldn't be surprised if the mazda was better than it. Imo lexus quality has gone down alot since their heyday. However in the buyers mind the lexus will still be seen as a more upmarket car.

As regards the Accord, In my experience I have always found that Honda has always had higher build quality than mazda. Now the mazda could well be a nicer car but id wager the accord being the better built of the two.

The IS is a much higher quality product in terms of refinement than the Accord. It might not be the same of Lexus of old, but that's not a fair comparison seeing as it's only the second model in that class, they've only had 5 and 7 series competitors before the first IS, which was good, but the new one is better.
I'd also put the new Mazda ahead of the Accord in terms of interior quality. And that'd be a first for Mazda to be fair.