sometimes prison is just too good an option ..

barone

WARNING.. GRAPHIC UPSETTING CHILD ABUSE STORY..WARNING.
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2434033/French-mother-Sabrina-Bonner-held-son-4-raped-stepfather-Lionel-Barthelemy-prison.html



A French mother who held her four-year-old son by the arms while he was raped by his stepfather in a prison visiting room has been sentenced to a maximum 20 years in jail.
Sabrina Bonner, 25, blindfolded her child and made him kneel on a chair throughout the ordeal.
Her partner, 31-year-old Lionel Barthelemy, who has been jailed since August 2009 for violence, also received the same sentence from the court in Strasbourg, eastern France.

Both Bonner and Barthelemy have admitted to multiple counts of rape and sexual assault of the boy, now eight.
Some of the assaults, including the rape in the visiting room at the Toul detention centre in eastern France, had been filmed on a mobile phone.
'The behaviour of Sabrina B. is not even that of an animal towards its child,' said prosecutor Gilles Delorme, who also described Barthelemy as 'a sadist in the purest form'.
At the detention centre, Bonner had blindfolded her son and made him kneel on a chair in front of Barthelemy, then held him by the arms as he was raped.


The case had raised questions over why prison staff failed to stop, or even notice, an act of such brutality taking place during what was supposed to be a supervised visit to a prisoner serving a sentence for domestic violence, who had been diagnosed as having schizophrenic tendencies.
Investigators had found that black bin bags were used to cover the glass window of the door of the visiting room.
Yannick Pheulpin, the lawyer representing the victim, said he intended, at the end of the trial, to initiate legal proceedings aimed at holding the prison to account for the suffering of the child.


Psychiatrist Jean-Pierre May told the court that the couple had a 'sado-masochist relationship' in which each took turns to be 'master' and 'slave'.
'It is hard to determine who used the other more' during the savage acts carried out on the boy, said another expert, Jean-Georges Rohmer.
Bonner has admitted carrying out multiple sexual assaults on her child during 2009 and 2010, filming them on her mobile phone and giving the phone’s memory card to her imprisoned partner.
She gave herself up to police in May 2011, shortly before Barthelemy was due to be released from prison.
Bonner has claimed that she carried out the assaults under the orders and threat of violence from Barthelemy.


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Frosty McSnowballs

What.the.fcuk?!

MonkstownHoop

This world is getting worse and worse

jjpep

Holy ****. I just feel so sad after reading that.

We're such a weird species.

frozenfrozen

public hanging please

lahalane

Too good an option? What else can you do with her really? Prison is the best place for her.

Insect Overlord

Why did you inflict that story on other people?

Ruu

Pew pew! Why did you post this????:mad:

DoozerT6

Fifteen minutes, unguarded, in an unsupervised prison yard. Full of large angry men. With concealed blunt instruments.

These two, AND those ba€tards who tortured those hostages in the shopping mall in Kenya. That's what they need.

lahalane

DoozerT6 wrote: »

Fifteen minutes, unguarded, in an unsupervised prison yard. Full of large angry men. With concealed blunt instruments.

This guy, AND those ba€tards who tortured those hostages in the shopping mall in Kenya. That's what they need.

That's kind of sadistic...

BNMC

What a delightful thread to kick off the weekend. :rolleyes:

barone

this is AH guys , bad stuff gets posted here a lot.. you know this.

DoozerT6

lahalane wrote: »

That's kind of sadistic...

Not sadistic enough I reckon.

Or we could give them a warm bed, flat screen tv, further education, hot food, entertainment, access to a gym and a mobile phone.

Oh wait, that's prison...

lahalane

DoozerT6 wrote: »

Not sadistic enough I reckon.

Or we could give them a warm bed, flat screen tv, further education, hot food, entertainment, access to a gym and a mobile phone.

Oh wait, that's prison...

I would have suggested tougher prisons before torture but thats just me.

Timmyctc

DoozerT6 wrote: »

Not sadistic enough I reckon.

Or we could give them a warm bed, flat screen tv, further education, hot food, entertainment, access to a gym and a mobile phone.

Oh wait, that's prison...

Well WE aren't going to do anything because she'll probably go to prison in France.

Why is sadism a good idea to deal with sadism?

Cody Pomeray

I can't believe this story is real. I just googled it to check; you couldn't make this sh1t up.

Frank Black

Insect Overlord wrote: »

Why did you inflict that story on other people?

Because some people are ****ing misery junkies.
Wish I could unread that.

MadsL

We need a spacedicks AH subforum so the mods don't have to read this stuff.

catallus

Timmyctc wrote: »

Well WE aren't going to do anything because she'll probably go to prison in France.

Why is sadism a good idea to deal with sadism?

An interesting question.

Maybe because the idea of justice through punishment and retribution for heinous deeds demands that the transgressor be made to suffer an ill proportionate to that which he has wrought.

Love2love

This is just horrific..... For once, I'm actually regretting logging into AH :-(

lahalane

catallus wrote: »

An interesting question.

Maybe because the idea of justice through punishment and retribution for heinous deeds demands that the transgressor be made to suffer an ill proportionate to that which he has wrought.

How do we choose how to torture them and who will carry out this exercise? I think that spending the rest of your life in prison is all the punishment needed. The prisoner doesn't get to take part in society anymore, for the rest of their lives.

Tangatagamadda Chaddabinga Bonga Bungo

I literally read two lines of that report because it's seems too ****ed up altogether.

Shanotheslayer

lahalane wrote: »

How do we choose how to torture them and who will carry out this exercise? I think that spending the rest of your life in prison is all the punishment needed. The prisoner doesn't get to take part in society anymore, for the rest of their lives.

They only got 20 years. So after that they can socialise..

Red Nissan

Gawd, I can't read that! I'm going to do a La la al la ala and go back to Netflix, your title is right

yoloc

MonkstownHoop wrote: »

This world is getting worse and worse

No its not! go back to medi evil times or further to see a worse state world.

Red Nissan

yoloc wrote: »

No its not! go back to medi evil times or further to see a worse state world.

That's 400 to 600 years ago, even 2,000 years ago we had children engaged in orgies and not a eyelid would be batted, but I dare say, not like this, this, whilst not unique, is seriously special and it's been bread out of civilized man ~ though obviously not completely, we know and feel better in 2013.

bumper234

Time for France to reintroduce the guillotine maybe for a one off special

catallus

yoloc wrote: »

No its not! go back to medi evil times or further to see a worse state world.

Maybe it's neither worse nor better; all we can say is that it is ****ed up still.

murria

Cody Pomeray wrote: »

I can't believe this story is real. I just googled it to check; you couldn't make this sh1t up.

Same here. In a week of dreadful stories of child abuse this one wins first prize. Grotesque!

Timmyctc

Shanotheslayer wrote: »

They only got 20 years. So after that they can socialise..

That's a long time, like over 7000 days. That is a very long time. I daresay her life is essentially over in any case. 20 years in prison, the world will be a different place when you emerge.

Ilik Urgee

What mother would do that to her own son? Jesus H what the fúck are we at times?

lahalane

Shanotheslayer wrote: »

They only got 20 years. So after that they can socialise..

For their crime they probably should get life but Id pick 20 years over torture or death any day.

StinkyMunkey

I read the first paragraph and felt physically felt, that's as far as I got. I wish OP had the decency to warn me in the thread title.

I could are less who agrees with me, but I'd put those 2 pieces of **** down.

Femme_Fatale

barone wrote: »

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2434033/French-mother-Sabrina-Bonner-held-son-4-raped-stepfather-Lionel-Barthelemy-prison.html



A French mother who held her four-year-old son by the arms while he was raped by his stepfather in a prison visiting room has been sentenced to a maximum 20 years in jail.
Sabrina Bonner, 25, blindfolded her child and made him kneel on a chair throughout the ordeal.
Her partner, 31-year-old Lionel Barthelemy, who has been jailed since August 2009 for violence, also received the same sentence from the court in Strasbourg, eastern France.

Both Bonner and Barthelemy have admitted to multiple counts of rape and sexual assault of the boy, now eight.
Some of the assaults, including the rape in the visiting room at the Toul detention centre in eastern France, had been filmed on a mobile phone.
'The behaviour of Sabrina B. is not even that of an animal towards its child,' said prosecutor Gilles Delorme, who also described Barthelemy as 'a sadist in the purest form'.
At the detention centre, Bonner had blindfolded her son and made him kneel on a chair in front of Barthelemy, then held him by the arms as he was raped.


The case had raised questions over why prison staff failed to stop, or even notice, an act of such brutality taking place during what was supposed to be a supervised visit to a prisoner serving a sentence for domestic violence, who had been diagnosed as having schizophrenic tendencies.
Investigators had found that black bin bags were used to cover the glass window of the door of the visiting room.
Yannick Pheulpin, the lawyer representing the victim, said he intended, at the end of the trial, to initiate legal proceedings aimed at holding the prison to account for the suffering of the child.


Psychiatrist Jean-Pierre May told the court that the couple had a 'sado-masochist relationship' in which each took turns to be 'master' and 'slave'.
'It is hard to determine who used the other more' during the savage acts carried out on the boy, said another expert, Jean-Georges Rohmer.
Bonner has admitted carrying out multiple sexual assaults on her child during 2009 and 2010, filming them on her mobile phone and giving the phone’s memory card to her imprisoned partner.
She gave herself up to police in May 2011, shortly before Barthelemy was due to be released from prison.
Bonner has claimed that she carried out the assaults under the orders and threat of violence from Barthelemy.


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What. The. Actual. Fuk??

DoozerT6 wrote: »

Not sadistic enough I reckon.

Or we could give them a warm bed, flat screen tv, further education, hot food, entertainment, access to a gym and a mobile phone.

Oh wait, that's prison...

Nah nobody suggested that. It's not like there's torture or that, and nothing in between. What good is civilised society reducing itself to the level of depravity. They should have gotten maximum security prison for life though.

murria wrote: »

Same here. In a week of dreadful stories of child abuse this one wins first prize. Grotesque!

It's not a competition.

Poor little boy - hopefully by some miracle he's too young to be scarred for life...

Shanotheslayer

lahalane wrote: »

For their crime they probably should get life but Id pick 20 years over torture or death any day.

I'd rather both

lahalane

Shanotheslayer wrote: »

I'd rather both

Both? As in they get tortured in prison and executed after 20 years or something?

catallus

lahalane wrote: »

Both? As in they get tortured in prison and executed after 20 years or something?

Putting the torture aside for a moment, I think they should be killed, and what with the prohibitive cost of imprisonment, (which is, in and of itself, a grotesque form of torture) I think it should be done as expeditiously as possible.

wnolan1992

MonkstownHoop wrote: »

This world is getting worse and worse

Nope. We just hear about the incredibly f*cked up stuff we do to each other more now. The world has always and will always be a f*cked up place.

Femme_Fatale

wnolan1992 wrote: »

Nope. We just hear about the incredibly f*cked up stuff we do to each other more now. The world has always and will always be a f*cked up place.

The world is actually better than it's ever been. Unfortunately (as in: it's unfortunate that a world where this happens is a better world than in times past, but it is).

Shanotheslayer

lahalane wrote: »

Both? As in they get tortured in prison and executed after 20 years or something?

Yes, or raped etc through those 20years. Get what you give imo

lahalane

Shanotheslayer wrote: »

Yes, or raped etc through those 20years. Get what you give imo

Who gets to rape them?

lahalane

catallus wrote: »

Putting the torture aside for a moment, I think they should be killed, and what with the prohibitive cost of imprisonment, (which is, in and of itself, a grotesque form of torture) I think it should be done as expeditiously as possible.

But somebody would have to kill them. How do we choose who does it? Even if their are volunteers, that's still people putting their forward to kill somebody.

Red Nissan

lahalane wrote: »

Who gets to rape them?

Morbid cnuts would probably enjoy it.

Humans eh!

Humans eh!

Shanotheslayer

lahalane wrote: »

Who gets to rape them?

I'm sure there would be a few people who want to in prison:p

Red Nissan

catallus wrote: »

Putting the torture aside for a moment, I think they should be killed, and what with the prohibitive cost of imprisonment, (which is, in and of itself, a grotesque form of torture) I think it should be done as expeditiously as possible.

Prison is for rehabilitation, in this case I see none, they will simply be released onto the world as very, very hungry beasts. Injection and be gone.

Femme_Fatale

Isn't high-security prison also for punishment and keeping dangerous elements away from the rest of society? As would be fitting in this case.

But nah, whatever about vigilantes/other prisoners - I wouldn't want state employees to have the power to rape and torture.

lahalane

Shanotheslayer wrote: »

I'm sure there would be a few people who want to in prison:p

And do we let this go ahead? How will it be announced on the news? 'They received 20 years in prison where, be assured, they will be raped constantly for the duration of their stay'.

Clandestine

MonkstownHoop wrote: »

This world is getting worse and worse

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gilles_de_Rais

Ihatecuddles-old

I don't know if I should even say this but I went through a similar experience and I think I died a little inside when I read that. I can only hope that boy will be shown unconditional love and support from a family who I'm sure he will give it back to, tenfold.

meoklmrk91

I can't remember the last time I had such an emotional response to a story, the Fritzl case maybe. I went from feeling physically sick to a headache in seconds. That poor little lad, I hope that he gets everything that he needs, all the support and love that he deserves tenfold. To abused so violently at such a young age, to be exposed to the very worst that society has to offer when he was barely out of nappies, I just hope that he has the best life, the best life anyone could wish for, he deserves it more than anyone else I can think of.

I don't know if I should even say this but I went through a similar experience and I think I died a little inside when I read that. I can only hope that boy will be shown unconditional love and support from a family who I'm sure he will give it back to, tenfold.

I know you hate them but have some hugs , I would imagine that reading something like this must raise a lot of issues for you. I hope that you have the best life possible too, just like that little boy you deserve it.