Pneumonia Vaccine

jmurf100

Anyone going vaccinating their weanlings against pneumonia before housing?
Whats the best to give them?

mahoney_j

Use bovioast .one shot at 10 days old and booster 3 weeks later.huge difference in calves since I started this.less scours and always had to go with catch powder a few weeks after they were put in but no more.thrive and live weight gain also well improved.expensive but well worth it

tanko

mahoney_j wrote: »

Use bovioast .one shot at 10 days old and booster 3 weeks later.huge difference in calves since I started this.less scours and always had to go with catch powder a few weeks after they were put in but no more.thrive and live weight gain also well improved.expensive but well worth it

Do you give them a third shot when they are six months old? I use Rispoval 3 myself, one shot seven weeks and one shot three weeks before weaning for suckler calves. It is very important to have weanlings properly treated for worms even if you are vaccinating them also.

mahoney_j

tanko wrote: »

Do you give them a third shot when they are six months old? I use Rispoval 3 myself, one shot seven weeks and one shot three weeks before weaning for suckler calves. It is very important to have weanlings properly treated for worms even if you are vaccinating them also.

Nope no need.calves get done for worms a month after turnout with zearl,and then every 8 weeks after that.i get a few dung samples pooled and test for fluke in early October and if needs be i will dose for that at housing and then again 6 weeks later with a cheap oral dose.find zearl excellent stuff for worms,only have to do calves every 8 weeks with it

jmurf100

I didnt do mine for pneumonia in the spring, this will be their first shot of it now before they are weaned, whats the best to give them?

pbthevet

2 shots of bovipast 3 weeks apart the way to go.

To fill the gap between the two doses there a long acting antibiotic called zuprevo, lasts 28 days.
Thats your gold standard right there. Exporters using it now.

bob charles

pbthevet wrote: »

2 shots of bovipast 3 weeks apart the way to go.

To fill the gap between the two doses there a long acting antibiotic called zuprevo, lasts 28 days.
Thats your gold standard right there. Exporters using it now.

Zuprevo was much hyped but hasnt delivered the goods at all.

Lastin

Will the antibiotic not work against the vaccine ie kill the vaccine rather than letting the animal produce antibodies to the disease?

pbthevet

bob charles wrote: »

Zuprevo was much hyped but hasnt delivered the goods at all.

Fair enough. Not the best cure but it is a good preventative.

Ther option for gap filler would be draxxin or zactran.

pbthevet

Lastin wrote: »

Will the antibiotic not work against the vaccine ie kill the vaccine rather than letting the animal produce antibodies to the disease?

Antibiotic kills bacteria.

Bovipast and other vaccines contain modified VIRUS particles.
Thre is a pasteurella componant in bovipast too but its only a part of it to allow body create antibodies. Antibiotic wont effect it.

bob charles

How big of a cost do you thing there is in not covering pasteurella with vaccine. I find it easily treated but Im not so sure on the thrive cost in not treating, currently just on a one shot of Rispoval 3 & Bovillis IBR. Boviplast is too expensive for me keeping animals only a short period. For long keep animals Boviplast is the muts nuts

jaymla627

pbthevet wrote: »

Fair enough. Not the best cure but it is a good preventative.

Ther option for gap filler would be draxxin or zactran.

Have you priced a bottle of draxxin lately talkin 15 euro for a 300kg weanling, having said that brilliant drug really rate zactran to , both have saved many a calf here over the years

pbthevet

jaymla627 wrote: »

Have you priced a bottle of draxxin lately talkin 15 euro for a 300kg weanling, having said that brilliant drug really rate zactran to , both have saved many a calf here over the years

Oh god no!

Baby calves im talking about. Bigger animals bovipast and ibr only
Weve started using draxxin as first line treatment drug here now above resflur and nuflor or whatever generic out there. 15 days cover vs 4-5 and when u work out price per animal, itll surprise ya. Especially when many a time it takes two jags of nuflor.

pbthevet

bob charles wrote: »

How big of a cost do you thing there is in not covering pasteurella with vaccine. I find it easily treated but Im not so sure on the thrive cost in not treating, currently just on a one shot of Rispoval 3 & Bovillis IBR. Boviplast is too expensive for me keeping animals only a short period. For long keep animals Boviplast is the muts nuts

Why u not using rispoval 4? Tho personally i recomment bovillis ibr above it for the ibr side. Its a marker vacc too. Soon enough all non markers will be off the market, eu getting rid

bob charles

any time I have enquired about rispoval 4 I have being told its not available in the South. It is in the north for definite but IMB dont list it as available here either. I was only looking for it a month ago and again told its not available

And as you point out I would be afraid of the cover on the IBR side incorporating everything in one shot.

bob charles

pbthevet wrote: »

Oh god no!

Baby calves im talking about. Bigger animals bovipast and ibr only
Weve started using draxxin as first line treatment drug here now above resflur and nuflor or whatever generic out there. 15 days cover vs 4-5 and when u work out price per animal, itll surprise ya. Especially when many a time it takes two jags of nuflor.

Are you coming across much mycoplasma :mad::mad:

pbthevet

bob charles wrote: »

Are you coming across much mycoplasma :mad::mad:

Im not to be honest. Starting to see bit of lungworm. Monitor animals after using any of the good wormers, ivermectins etc. sometimes they kill the lungworm a bit too well and all die at once. Lots of dead worm larvae in the lungs cant be good. Any bad coughs a day or two after dosing, probably good idea to give a shot of flunixin too, maybe an antibiotic as well to be safe

munkus

pbthevet wrote: »

Im not to be honest. Starting to see bit of lungworm. Monitor animals after using any of the good wormers, ivermectins etc. sometimes they kill the lungworm a bit too well and all die at once. Lots of dead worm larvae in the lungs cant be good. Any bad coughs a day or two after dosing, probably good idea to give a shot of flunixin too, maybe an antibiotic as well to be safe

Great to have another Vet on boards, give Greysides a bit of competition :-)

bob charles

pbthevet wrote: »

Im not to be honest. Starting to see bit of lungworm.

You aint practicing anywhere close to me so. Lungworm was evident from the 1st of May onwards. Still battling but over the hump now, odd animal that is bought are still a bit of a challenge

poor farmer

I am very interested in this subject .
History : dairy and suckler ,had a lot of pneumonia particularly in bucket fed .
Took blood samples ,vet recommended Boviplast great response
Vaccinated at 1 month old and again at 2 months ,also vaccinated all bought in's
This worked well for 2-3 years ,just the odd one.
Then last sept a lot of coughing and then lots of sick ones, all outside .
This spring I thought ,feck this I will try without,but before i got the calves out the were getting sick.So back in with bovi plast ,it seemed to stop it for a while,
but in the last few weeks the are spluttering and coughing again .
All calves are dosed every 3-4 weeks ,white drench and later ivermectin.
Vet now says to vaccinate for IBR.
This is getting very costly .
Any advice/help appreciated .

bob charles

poor farmer wrote: »

I am very interested in this subject .
History : dairy and suckler ,had a lot of pneumonia particularly in bucket fed .
Took blood samples ,vet recommended Boviplast great response
Vaccinated at 1 month old and again at 2 months ,also vaccinated all bought in's
This worked well for 2-3 years ,just the odd one.
Then last sept a lot of coughing and then lots of sick ones, all outside .
This spring I thought ,feck this I will try without,but before i got the calves out the were getting sick.So back in with bovi plast ,it seemed to stop it for a while,
but in the last few weeks the are spluttering and coughing again .
All calves are dosed every 3-4 weeks ,white drench and later ivermectin.
Vet now says to vaccinate for IBR.
This is getting very costly .
Any advice/help appreciated .

Boviplast covers RSV, PI3 and pasteurella, but doesnt cover IBR which I would consider the most dangerous of the pneumonia strains and is also the cheapest to vaccinate against. Strange a vet had you going with boviplast which is expensive and not going the whole hog for a few quid extra.

poor farmer

bob charles wrote: »

Boviplast covers RSV, PI3 and pasteurella, but doesnt cover IBR which I would consider the most dangerous of the pneumonia strains and is also the cheapest to vaccinate against. Strange a vet had you going with boviplast which is expensive and not going the whole hog for a few quid extra.

Yes thanks bob ,no ibr showed up in the first tests.

bob charles

poor farmer wrote: »

Yes thanks bob ,no ibr showed up in the first tests.

if your buying cattle in you cant be waiting for something to show up in blood/nasal tests. before you know it with one infected animal you could have a half dozen deaths. IBR is tough going as I found out all over again during the summer after having problems with it 3 - 4 years ago during winter. Now everything is IBR vac the first day on the farm

LivInt20

mahoney_j wrote: »

Use bovioast .one shot at 10 days old and booster 3 weeks later.huge difference in calves since I started this.less scours and always had to go with catch powder a few weeks after they were put in but no more.thrive and live weight gain also well improved.expensive but well worth it

I do the same only calves a bit older. 1st shot at 4-6 weeks followed up 4 weeks later with second shot.

How much are ye paying for Bovipast RPS??

My works out at €16.20 per calf.