National Hill Climb Champs Tralee 6/10/2013

G200 · 25-09-2013 12:28pm #1

Anyone doing this?

http://www.stickybottle.com/latest-news/maximum-gradients-of-17-per-cent-for-national-hill-climb-champs-in-kerry-entries-open-now/

Entry closes this Saturday the 28th.

TByrne2012 · 25-09-2013 2:14pm

Desmond Sportive CC in Newcastle West, Co Limerick are running a hill climb TT this coming weekend 28th Sept ( Mass Rock challenge ). It would be a good warm up for the national hill climb in Tralee.

davgtrek · 25-09-2013 3:38pm

Its a great test that "Short Mountain" climb and i'd recommend heading to it.

ryan_sherlock · 25-09-2013 6:46pm

I'll be going - Saturday the 28th - very (VERY) early to close signon...

flat6 · 26-09-2013 1:05pm

Looking for a corresponding Strava segment - couldn't find one :-(

G200 · 26-09-2013 1:07pm

flat6 wrote: »

Looking for a corresponding Strava segment - couldn't find one :-(

There ya go:

http://app.strava.com/segments/2321580

Raam · 26-09-2013 1:54pm

G200 wrote: »

There ya go:

http://app.strava.com/segments/2321580

Wahey, third. I set mine in the middle of the Race Around Ireland. I expect to be bumped well down.

G200 · 26-09-2013 3:20pm

Raam wrote: »

Wahey, third. I set mine in the middle of the Race Around Ireland. I expect to be bumped well down.

That's a damn good time, would have bagged you a top 5 when the NHCC was last held there in 2010.

jimzy · 01-10-2013 3:59pm

Looking forward to this – should be a good end of season blast!
Anyone got ideas on entry numbers for the event or has that been released now that the sign on is closed?

G200 · 01-10-2013 4:20pm

No sign of start list yet, will post as soon as one is up!

G200 · 03-10-2013 12:36am

Full start list and rider times up:

http://traleecc.ie/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/Rider-Start-Times.pdf

buffalo · 03-10-2013 7:51am

haha! I can guarantee I won't be finishing as high as I'm starting!

JohnJ87 · 03-10-2013 3:23pm

ryan_sherlock wrote: »

I'll be going - Saturday the 28th - very (VERY) early to close signon...

Would you mind me asking what kind of set up in terms of gearing and wheels you plan on using for the hill climb on Saturday? I wont be competing on Saturday but I cycled it this morning as I live nearby. It's a beast of a climb, don't envy anyone doing it. Best of luck on the day, and I'll be watching with interest near the top somewhere.

ryan_sherlock · 03-10-2013 4:55pm

JohnJ87 wrote: »

Would you mind me asking what kind of set up in terms of gearing and wheels you plan on using for the hill climb on Saturday? I wont be competing on Saturday but I cycled it this morning as I live nearby. It's a beast of a climb, don't envy anyone doing it. Best of luck on the day, and I'll be watching with interest near the top somewhere.

Race is Sunday. probably 39x25 will be my lowest gear but 23 would be fine too. (If I need lower gears than that, I'm not going fast enough).

The times from 2010 should also be taken with a grain of salt. There was a massive storm at the time and it was directly into a headwind. In the morning before, I thought it would be canceled!

G200 · 03-10-2013 5:25pm

ryan_sherlock wrote: »

Race is Sunday. probably 39x25 will be my lowest gear but 23 would be fine too. (If I need lower gears than that, I'm not going fast enough).

The times from 2010 should also be taken with a grain of salt. There was a massive storm at the time and it was directly into a headwind. In the morning before, I thought it would be canceled!

Would say most mortals would struggle with those ratios unless planning on pushing out +450w for 10 mins!

I'd say defo faster times this year if weather is more neutral, 2nd half of climb very exposed to elements...

JohnJ87 · 03-10-2013 6:23pm

Sunday it is, thanks for the heads up! That headwind makes the times from 2010 allot more impressive (not that they weren't already impressive). It will be nice to have some times to gauge my form off for the up coming season.

buffalo · 05-10-2013 3:50pm

Cracking day here in Tralee, just arrived agus tá an ghrian ag scoilteadh na gcloch!

G200 · 05-10-2013 3:56pm

buffalo wrote: »

Cracking day here in Tralee, just arrived agus tá an ghrian ag scoilteadh na gcloch!

Welcome to the Kingdom!

Yeah amazing weather today in Kerry, shame the champs isn't on today

buffalo · 06-10-2013 1:10pm

Podium: Dowling, Sherlock, Bruton.

buffalo · 06-10-2013 2:47pm

And Spaeth, McEntee, Schwedler for the women.

Well-run day!

el tel · 06-10-2013 7:14pm

Just wondering, does a national event like this have chip timing?

diff between 1st and 2nd was 0.7 sec according to sticky bottle. I've done time keeper for tt events and by eyeball and stopwatch the marging for error in the timing is huge, certainly within the realm of seconds, at least when I wasdoing it!

dedocdude · 07-10-2013 12:01am

Don't think any event outside of world tour or other major professional events would have chip timing with transponders and the like on a riders bike - maybe some of the large sportives

Always struck me as a strange event this one - held in winter practically, with a few exceptions like last year - it usually attracts a small crowd, but especially that its a championship event for a type of event that has no other events during the year

Straatvark · 07-10-2013 8:39am

dedocdude wrote: »

Don't think any event outside of world tour or other major professional events would have chip timing with transponders and the like on a riders bike - maybe some of the large sportives

Almost all events in SA (mtb/road/racing/"funrides" i.e. sportive in Ireland) are done with timing mats and transponders. You buy the transponder and it is logged permanently against your identification number. Results are stored and use for seeding calculation that is used for starting position/bunch.

It works very and has advantages, but loads negatives as well - mainly 'racing' for position 23458 by "slow" riders on not so closed public roads. The pro/con discussion can go way deeper into financial/politics between our PPA and CSA (similar to CI & IVCA) but not important here. The new UCI rule that participants must be UCI registered to take part in a race is also debatable.

buffalo · 07-10-2013 8:51am

dedocdude wrote: »

Always struck me as a strange event this one - held in winter practically, with a few exceptions like last year - it usually attracts a small crowd, but especially that its a championship event for a type of event that has no other events during the year

Indeed. I was looking at the rules for this a few days ago - in fact in the very pack accompanying this year's event:

No jersey will be awarded in a Championship event where there are less than 3 Open events held in any one year in that discipline

Do we have any open hill climbs?

G200 · 07-10-2013 10:30am

buffalo wrote: »

Indeed. I was looking at the rules for this a few days ago - in fact in the very pack accompanying this year's event:

Do we have any open hill climbs?

Well there was one last week in Limerick. Would Hilly TTs in stage races like the Suir Valley count?

fixie fox · 07-10-2013 11:55am

Anyone know how come they gave Vets prizes when they only took entries from "A1, A2, A3, A4, Junior"?

bwalsh1983 · 07-10-2013 12:52pm

fixie fox wrote: »

Anyone know how come they gave Vets prizes when they only took entries from "A1, A2, A3, A4, Junior"?

I'm guessing you had to include your age with your category and were given prizes accordingly.

Junior · 07-10-2013 1:23pm

buffalo wrote: »

Indeed. I was looking at the rules for this a few days ago - in fact in the very pack accompanying this year's event:

Do we have any open hill climbs?

Our Club ran a few this year as part of our league races.

nak · 07-10-2013 1:55pm

dedocdude wrote: »

Don't think any event outside of world tour or other major professional events would have chip timing with transponders and the like on a riders bike - maybe some of the large sportives

They are using timing chips for the Fixx Supercross series this year.

Morrisseeee · 07-10-2013 2:29pm

el tel wrote: »

Just wondering, does a national event like this have chip timing?

diff between 1st and 2nd was 0.7 sec according to sticky bottle. I've done time keeper for tt events and by eyeball and stopwatch the marging for error in the timing is huge, certainly within the realm of seconds, at least when I wasdoing it!

Yikes, 0.7sec, you could argue that human error could have decided the outcome ! (note: I'm not saying they got it wrong, just amazed how close it was )

buffalo · 07-10-2013 2:41pm

G200 wrote: »

Well there was one last week in Limerick. Would Hilly TTs in stage races like the Suir Valley count?

Club league wouldn't count, and I don't think any as part of a stage race would. Note that there wasn't one in Suir Valley this year anyway.

I'm not objecting to the holding of the champs, but think there's an opportunity for some more hill climbs to be held to validate the champs.

el tel · 07-10-2013 2:46pm

At least one club in Ulster that I know of uses chip timing for most if its club tts and road races. The timing service is outsourced.

Anyway, not taking anything away from the result of the national hill climb. Of course with human error in the timing, the true time gap can be bigger as well as smaller.

nilhg · 07-10-2013 3:04pm

el tel wrote: »

Just wondering, does a national event like this have chip timing?

diff between 1st and 2nd was 0.7 sec according to sticky bottle. I've done time keeper for tt events and by eyeball and stopwatch the marging for error in the timing is huge, certainly within the realm of seconds, at least when I wasdoing it!

Morrisseeee wrote: »

Yikes, 0.7sec, you could argue that human error could have decided the outcome ! (note: I'm not saying they got it wrong, just amazed how close it was )

0.7sec is 10 lengths in a greyhound race, in my misspent youth I'd have been very pi**ed off if I was more than a length out and we'd be doing splits as well.

If the timekeepers are experienced and know their equipment then I'd be fairly certain they got it right.

dedocdude · 07-10-2013 4:43pm

Morrisseeee wrote: »

Yikes, 0.7sec, you could argue that human error could have decided the outcome ! (note: I'm not saying they got it wrong, just amazed how close it was )

Could be wrong the other way too if u get me, say over a second?

G200 · 07-10-2013 5:08pm

For the record, final times:

National Hill Climb Championships 2013
No. Name Cat. Vets Actual Ride Time CI Result Class Results
41 Mark Dowling (Polygon Sweet Nice) A1 12:02.30 NHCC 1st A1 - 1st
48 Ryan Sherlock (Cycleways CC / PSN) A1 12:03.04 NHCC 2nd A1 - 2nd
46 Danny Bruton (Nicolas Roche Performance Team) Junior 12:27.47 NHCC 3rd Junior - 1st
36 Matt Slattery (Killarney CC) A1 12:35.30 A1 - 3rd
32 Denis Lynch (Sliabh Luachra CC) A2 12:37.57 A2 - 1st
37 James Davenport (South Dublin CC) A1 12:44.48
47 Greg Swinand (Usher IRC) A1 o/40 12:51.54 o/40 - 1st
44 Eoin Morton (UCD CC) A1 12:56.09
25 George Doyle (Tralee BC) A3 13:25.84 A3 - 1st
45 Brian McArdle (DTC Orwell Wheelers) A1 13:39.06
38 John Mannix (Killarney CC) A1 13:46.04
14 Paul O'Reilly (Fixx Rouleurs) A4 13:50.81 A4 - 1st
35 John O'Connell (Blarney CC) A2 14:07.84 A2 - 2nd
8 Simon Duggan (Aqua Blue) A4 14:12.67 A4 - 2nd
31 Martin Vereker (St. Tiernans CC) A3 14:13.66 A3 - 2nd
2 Sam McAllister (Bray Wheelers) Junior 14:16.59 Junior - 2nd
24 Ger Healy (Deenside Wheelers) A3 14:16.78 A3 - 3rd
29 David Swift (Orwell Wheelers CC) A3 14:19.60
34 Melanie Späth (Team Tibco) A2 14:24.11 Womens - 1st
33 Marcus Flavin (Dungarvan CC) A2 14:24.97 A2 - 3rd
21 Michéal O'Shea (Killorglin CC) A4 14:36.78 A4 - 3rd
43 Kevin Culhane (Gas Pipes Touring Club) A3 14:44.60
28 Jerry McCarthy (Tralee BC) A3 o/40 14:49.09 o/40 - 2nd
39 Rory Wyley (Iverk Produce Carrick Wheelers CC) A1 o/40 14:55.78 o/40 - 3rd
26 Barry Murphy (Wexford Wheelers) A3 o/40 14:56.40
30 James Kelly (Marble City Cyclers) A3 15:01.70
10 Marcus Finn (O'Leary Stone Kanturk) A4 o/40 15:12.20
16 Paul English (Bohermeen CC) A4 o/40 15:18.39
1 Cormac Daly (Tralee BC) Junior 15:23.20 Junior - 3rd
42 Mikey Moriarty (Tralee CC) Junior 15:33.59
15 Stephen O'Shea (Tralee CC) A4 15:36.32
13 Nigel Allen (Wexford Wheelers) A4 o/40 15:41.63
17 Tom Barrett (Currow CC) A4 o/50 15:52.42 o/50 - 1st
18 John Kelly (Tralee CC) A4 16:08.88
20 Paul Gammell (Southside Wheely Wheelers CC) A4 o/50 16:37.94 o/50 - 2nd
11 Claire McEntee (Bray Wheelers) A4 16:53.46
9 Sean Cooke (Tralee CC) A4 17:22.84
12 Robert McCarthy (Tralee CC) A4 17:34.54
23 Peter Landy (Tralee CC) A4 o/50 17:54.43 o/50 - 3rd
5 William McCarthy (Southside Wheely Wheelers CC) A4 0/40 18:30.99
3 Trix Schwedler A4 para 33:55.94
4 Thomas Duggan (Comeragh CC) A4 DNS
6 Seamus Nolan (Orwell Wheelers) A4 DNS
7 Alan Dee (Desmond Sportive CC) A4 o/40 DNS
19 Seamus Sexton (Newcastlewest CC) A4 DNS
22 Shane O'Keeffe (Sliabh Luachra CC) A4 DNS
27 Geraldine Gill (Bohermeen CC) A3 DNS
40 Dylan Foley (Nicolas Roche Performance Team) Junior DNS

flatface · 07-10-2013 5:14pm

Great climbing, well done to all. My strava position just plummeted

samzehh · 07-10-2013 11:17pm

Any photos besides the ones listed on website? I'd say the were at least 10 photographers (with DSLRs) on the hill !

G200 · 07-10-2013 11:44pm

One for the data junkies:

http://raceshape.com/strava-segments/2321580?rides=1808605166|87363413-1806193831|87260468-1805945892|87251331-1806686412|87280257-1808143902|87346433-1808427458|87357044-1806415027|87269756-1807506165|87316771-1813655765|87515900

buffalo · 07-10-2013 11:51pm

G200 wrote: »

One for the data junkies:

http://raceshape.com/strava-segments/2321580?rides=1808605166|87363413-1806193831|87260468-1805945892|87251331-1806686412|87280257-1808143902|87346433-1808427458|87357044-1806415027|87269756-1807506165|87316771-1813655765|87515900

Dammit! Knew I went out too hard... if only the race was 500m long, I might've won!

D3PO · 08-10-2013 12:57am

nilhg wrote: »

0.7sec is 10 lengths in a greyhound race, in my misspent youth I'd have been very pi**ed off if I was more than a length out and we'd be doing splits as well.

If the timekeepers are experienced and know their equipment then I'd be fairly certain they got it right.

tbh a comparison with greyhounds is ridiculous unless they were running 2.4 miles up a hill at a smidge under 20km/h

FWIW with the times posted the gap would still be approx. 4.01 meters so unlikely the timekeepers would be that far out.

Raam · 08-10-2013 9:10am

Woot, still third!

ryan_sherlock · 08-10-2013 9:44am

buffalo wrote: »

Dammit! Knew I went out too hard... if only the race was 500m long, I might've won!

Given the wind, and steep final 1.2k I had a rough pacing plan. Basically 48:52% power spending.

It went like this:
Get up to speed, then back way back off on power until I see a rolling average around 445-455W. Keep at that for the first few minutes. Then on the 'flat bit', try to keep the power up around 440. 1.2k to go (you hit that ramp), all out to the finish. Last 5 minutes was close to 500w so I paced it very well considering the conditions and gradient.

Couldn't have done many things better on the day - my problem (the .7 seconds - probably more like giving away 20) was eating too much tasty food in Belgium when I was racing there. I put on a chunk of muscle mass (which helps), but also BF (yikes) and didn't lean down enough when I got home. I think I was giving up around 15-17kg to Mark! Now - if the race was up AND down the hill

on_the_nickel · 08-10-2013 10:17am

G200 wrote: »

For the record, final times:

National Hill Climb Championships 2013
No. Name Cat. Vets Actual Ride Time CI Result Class Results
41 Mark Dowling (Polygon Sweet Nice) A1 12:02.30 NHCC 1st A1 - 1st
48 Ryan Sherlock (Cycleways CC / PSN) A1 12:03.04 NHCC 2nd A1 - 2nd
46 Danny Bruton (Nicolas Roche Performance Team) Junior 12:27.47 NHCC 3rd Junior - 1st
36 Matt Slattery (Killarney CC) A1 12:35.30 A1 - 3rd
32 Denis Lynch (Sliabh Luachra CC) A2 12:37.57 A2 - 1st
37 James Davenport (South Dublin CC) A1 12:44.48
47 Greg Swinand (Usher IRC) A1 o/40 12:51.54 o/40 - 1st
44 Eoin Morton (UCD CC) A1 12:56.09
25 George Doyle (Tralee BC) A3 13:25.84 A3 - 1st
45 Brian McArdle (DTC Orwell Wheelers) A1 13:39.06
38 John Mannix (Killarney CC) A1 13:46.04
14 Paul O'Reilly (Fixx Rouleurs) A4 13:50.81 A4 - 1st
35 John O'Connell (Blarney CC) A2 14:07.84 A2 - 2nd
8 Simon Duggan (Aqua Blue) A4 14:12.67 A4 - 2nd
31 Martin Vereker (St. Tiernans CC) A3 14:13.66 A3 - 2nd
2 Sam McAllister (Bray Wheelers) Junior 14:16.59 Junior - 2nd
24 Ger Healy (Deenside Wheelers) A3 14:16.78 A3 - 3rd
29 David Swift (Orwell Wheelers CC) A3 14:19.60
34 Melanie Späth (Team Tibco) A2 14:24.11 Womens - 1st
33 Marcus Flavin (Dungarvan CC) A2 14:24.97 A2 - 3rd
21 Michéal O'Shea (Killorglin CC) A4 14:36.78 A4 - 3rd
43 Kevin Culhane (Gas Pipes Touring Club) A3 14:44.60
28 Jerry McCarthy (Tralee BC) A3 o/40 14:49.09 o/40 - 2nd
39 Rory Wyley (Iverk Produce Carrick Wheelers CC) A1 o/40 14:55.78 o/40 - 3rd
26 Barry Murphy (Wexford Wheelers) A3 o/40 14:56.40
30 James Kelly (Marble City Cyclers) A3 15:01.70
10 Marcus Finn (O'Leary Stone Kanturk) A4 o/40 15:12.20
16 Paul English (Bohermeen CC) A4 o/40 15:18.39
1 Cormac Daly (Tralee BC) Junior 15:23.20 Junior - 3rd
42 Mikey Moriarty (Tralee CC) Junior 15:33.59
15 Stephen O'Shea (Tralee CC) A4 15:36.32
13 Nigel Allen (Wexford Wheelers) A4 o/40 15:41.63
17 Tom Barrett (Currow CC) A4 o/50 15:52.42 o/50 - 1st
18 John Kelly (Tralee CC) A4 16:08.88
20 Paul Gammell (Southside Wheely Wheelers CC) A4 o/50 16:37.94 o/50 - 2nd
11 Claire McEntee (Bray Wheelers) A4 16:53.46
9 Sean Cooke (Tralee CC) A4 17:22.84
12 Robert McCarthy (Tralee CC) A4 17:34.54
23 Peter Landy (Tralee CC) A4 o/50 17:54.43 o/50 - 3rd
5 William McCarthy (Southside Wheely Wheelers CC) A4 0/40 18:30.99
3 Trix Schwedler A4 para 33:55.94
4 Thomas Duggan (Comeragh CC) A4 DNS
6 Seamus Nolan (Orwell Wheelers) A4 DNS
7 Alan Dee (Desmond Sportive CC) A4 o/40 DNS
19 Seamus Sexton (Newcastlewest CC) A4 DNS
22 Shane O'Keeffe (Sliabh Luachra CC) A4 DNS
27 Geraldine Gill (Bohermeen CC) A3 DNS
40 Dylan Foley (Nicolas Roche Performance Team) Junior DNS

Hmm, puts the time I did on a sh!tty, misty, hungover Paddy's Day morning into perspective. Next year....!

G200 · 08-10-2013 10:54am

ryan_sherlock wrote: »

Given the wind, and steep final 1.2k I had a rough pacing plan. Basically 48:52% power spending.

It went like this:
Get up to speed, then back way back off on power until I see a rolling average around 445-455W. Keep at that for the first few minutes. Then on the 'flat bit', try to keep the power up around 440. 1.2k to go (you hit that ramp), all out to the finish. Last 5 minutes was close to 500w so I paced it very well considering the conditions and gradient.

Couldn't have done many things better on the day - my problem (the .7 seconds - probably more like giving away 20) was eating too much tasty food in Belgium when I was racing there. I put on a chunk of muscle mass (which helps), but also BF (yikes) and didn't lean down enough when I got home. I think I was giving up around 15-17kg to Mark! Now - if the race was up AND down the hill

You paced it pretty perfectly. Your experience from 2010 must have been a big plus there. A lot of the lads who didn't know the hill defo went out too hard. It really punishes you in the final km if you have burned all your matches by the time you hit it.

That is some weight difference between yourself and Mark on the day. A couple of Kgs lighter would have swung it your way no doubt. Still 464w AP vs 429w in 2010 is a positive.

flat6 · 18-10-2013 5:22pm

Hi all, looking for pictures of my son Sam on the hill - he was rider #2 (Bray Wheelers) and he was the first rider to crest.

Could only find shots of later riders.

Thanks!

Warren

National Hill Climb Champs Tralee 6/10/2013

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