Punishment for Corruption

Chinese Politician sentenced to life imprisonment for political corruption. http://m.rte.ie/news/touch/2013/0922/475714-bo-xilai-trial/

All assets seized too. I wouldn't mind seeing a little of this type of justice over here for our boys.

Agreed?

Grayson

At a minimum any politician found guilty of corruption should forfeit all the wages and expenses accrued during their time in office.

Sir Humphrey Appleby

TheTorment wrote: »

Chinese Politician sentenced to life imprisonment for political corruption. http://m.rte.ie/news/touch/2013/0922/475714-bo-xilai-trial/

All assets seized too. I wouldn't mind seeing a little of this type of justice over here for our boys.

Agreed?

You want Chinese style human rights as well?

loubeelou

Grayson wrote: »

At a minimum any politician found guilty of corruption should forfeit all the wages and expenses accrued during their time in office.

In this country??

Never gonna happen.

Sir Humphrey Appleby

Sir Humphrey Appleby wrote: »

You want Chinese style human rights as well?

Eh no. Just what it said in my original post Sir Humphrey Shítstirrer

hfallada

I hate fücking BS of put them all in prison. A prisoner costs the tax payer nearly €80,000 per year and the chances of committing the same crime again is pretty low.

I think the best punishment is not to elect them into office again. But Irish people continue to elect people who have had shady pasts. But prison is not the answer

Ghost Buster

Sir Humphrey Appleby wrote: »

You want Chinese style human rights as well?

Oh yes because they both go together:rolleyes:
reminds me of a poster on a feminist forum who came out with the classic "Oh i suppose ye all want abortion on demand and all men castrated'.... obviously!

No Pants

hfallada wrote: »

I hate fücking BS of put them all in prison. A prisoner costs the tax payer nearly €80,000 per year and the chances of committing the same crime again is pretty low.

I think the best punishment is not to elect them into office again. But Irish people continue to elect people who have had shady pasts. But prison is not the answer

€80k a year for a politician is a bargain. The Troika should have made locking up all the politicians a cost saving condition of the bailout.

michael999999

The whole fianna fail caball, past and present should be rounded up and jailed.

There corruption brought down a state!

galwayrush

Punishment here is normally early retirement on full massive pension and free to take up new employment and retain pensions at the same time.

Edit, some even have to accept golden handshakes and maybe even get a car thrown in,

krudler

galwayrush wrote: »

Punishment here is normally early retirement on full massive pension and free to take up new employment and retain pensions at the same time.

Edit, some even have to accept golden handshakes and maybe even get a car thrown in,

It's probably more rewarding to be utterly incompetent and corrupt a a politician, work for less time and get the same reward.

Can you imagine working for a private company, failing every evaluation you had, costing the company a fortune, and instead of being sacked you get let go with full benefits. sure why would you bother working when it's easier to fail upwards in life.

irritablebaz

there should be special legislation brought in to deal with those abusing their positions of privilege. it wont happen though as it would be akin to turkeys voting for christmas.

the whole system is dirty but that's ok if you are one of them in a cushy job filling your pockets.

hatrickpatrick

Made a thread about this the other day, consisted almost entirely of people who either felt that opposing corruption meant one "didn't live in the real world" or that they approve of the principle but that it would be unworkable.

Pretty disheartening, but I have some faith that eventually the corruption in Irish politics will boil over and people will finally have had enough. I don't see the culture of impunity lasting much longer given everything the country has been through because of it.

hatrickpatrick

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

Made a thread about this the other day, consisted almost entirely of people who either felt that opposing corruption meant one "didn't live in the real world" or that they approve of the principle but that it would be unworkable.

Pretty disheartening, but I have some faith that eventually the corruption in Irish politics will boil over and people will finally have had enough. I don't see the culture of impunity lasting much longer given everything the country has been through because of it.

I think that as long as political donations to parties, especially around election time, remain in place there will always be some element of corruption.

Savoir.Faire

I'd install a rocket launching platform in Merrion Square, and have the corrupt official fired into space while their family are made watch the whole thing. This would be streamed live on youtube so the ordinary people of Ireland can leave comments expressing their satisfaction at the justice handed out.

notnumber

Ha this is great..'We are out on the streets cos fat men have to eat' :pac:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2VMFHZ5AS8g

BeerWolf

TheTorment wrote: »

Chinese Politician sentenced to life imprisonment for political corruption. http://m.rte.ie/news/touch/2013/0922/475714-bo-xilai-trial/

All assets seized too. I wouldn't mind seeing a little of this type of justice over here for our boys.

Agreed?

Ahahahhahahah - that ****er tried to buy his way out, it's a good day for many in China

Reekwind

TheTorment wrote: »

Eh no. Just what it said in my original post Sir Humphrey Shítstirrer

But you're aware that the sentence was politically motivated, right? Most analysts had predicted 10-20 years but when Bo refused to play ball at the trial was made substantially harsher. To the point that you approve of it. Obviously that can happen because of weak regard for human rights, etc, etc

So the "type of justice" that you admire is arbitrary, politically malleable and doesn't pay much attention to the accused rights. Still a fan?

keeponhurling

Regardless of the right and wrongs of how China deals with it,


There is simply not enough deterrent for our Irish politicians to not be corrupt. It's win/win for them.

Reekwind

I think everyone can accept the idea that Irish politicians (and arguably society) are corrupt but showtrials are not the answer

Terry1985

hfallada wrote: »

I hate fücking BS of put them all in prison. A prisoner costs the tax payer nearly €80,000 per year and the chances of committing the same crime again is pretty low.

I think the best punishment is not to elect them into office again. But Irish people continue to elect people who have had shady pasts. But prison is not the answer

yes it is, and get the criminal assets bureau auditing their accounts.

they stole from the tax payers, probably more than a handful of post office robberies would net.

and they can't claim they did it to put food on the table for their families, or are recovering drug addicts.... it's pure greed.

plus it's not just a punishment for them, but a deterrent for others.

No Pants

Reekwind wrote: »

But you're aware that the sentence was politically motivated, right? Most analysts had predicted 10-20 years but when Bo refused to play ball at the trial was made substantially harsher. To the point that you approve of it. Obviously that can happen because of weak regard for human rights, etc, etc

So the "type of justice" that you admire is arbitrary, politically malleable and doesn't pay much attention to the accused rights. Still a fan?

You mean the way that if I challenge penalty points in court they get doubled if convicted?

Zebra3

michael999999 wrote: »

The whole fianna fail caball, past and present should be rounded up and jailed.

There corruption brought down a state!

And what about the gimps that voted for them even though everyone knew they were up to their necks in corruption?

MadsL

Current thinking.

An Taisce highlight planning corruption examples and call for enquiries.
Cue public criticism of An Taisce being 'busybodies'.


*sigh*

Capt'n Midnight

If the only punishment for corruption is handing back the money they can prove you took with interest then it's just good business economics to treat it as an overdraft that you might not have to pay back.

TBH they should look at the % of politicians who have been proven to be corrupt in the past, including tax amnesties. And then audit that % every year.

The fun bit would be that half the names would be picked by public nominations

MadsL

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

If the only punishment for corruption is handing back the money they can prove you took with interest then it's just good business economics to treat it as an overdraft that you might not have to pay back.

TBH they should look at the % of politicians who have been proven to be corrupt in the past, including tax amnesties. And then audit that % every year.

The fun bit would be that half the names would be picked by public nominations

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General General

Take their pensions away. Hold a referendum on it. Whoever promises this will win a lot of votes.

foggy_lad

I like the idea of putting them in stocks at the front of the central bank for the nation to see. Put signs around their necks detailing their crimes and force them to wear sandwich boards when out in public. Subject them to sustained ridicule.

Also tske their pensions and all other money. Leave them barefoot on the street.

qapmoc

foggy_lad wrote: »

I like the idea of putting them in stocks at the front of the central bank for the nation to see. Put signs around their necks detailing their crimes and force them to wear sandwich boards when out in public. Subject them to sustained ridicule.

Also tske their pensions and all other money. Leave them barefoot on the street.

Dame street would not be big enough to hold all the corrupt politicians and officials in this country.

Caonima

He got off lightly; probably should've gotten the bullet, but he was too high up in the Party. He was the head honcho in Chongqing - a city with a population of almost 6 times that of Ireland. Chinese Government is really trying to 'cut down' on graft in recent times, to add some credibility back to it's damaged reputation, and he was a big scalp to take. That said, though, they'd almost never go for someone higher up than him; just lower-level local Government types. In Bo's case, his wife didn't do him any favours either by offing that British businessman, Neil Heywood.

He'll go to prison, alright, but political prisoners over here don't go to the regular prisons - they have a special cushy prison they go to. If we ever did start locking up politicians etc. back in Ireland, they'd probably get the same treatment after a while. Couldn't have them rubbing shoulders with Mountjoy or Portlaoise's finest, a la Liam Lawlor.

For a decent list of white collar types who got the bullet over here, check out:

http://www.businessinsider.com/china-white-collar-criminals-death-sentence-2012-10?op=1