U.S. Came Close to Nuclear Disaster

JONJO THE MISER

One simple, dynamo-technology, low voltage switch stood between the United States and a major catastrophe

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Frosty McSnowballs

It's no inanimate carbon rod!

Riddle101

Would it be wrong to say Karma, if a bomb really did go off. I mean the US did drop two atom bombs on Japan.

uch

WOW

wes

Everyone should get rid of these weapons. There have already been enough near misses with Nuclear Weapons, and the world surely doesn't need anymore.

bizmark

Riddle101 wrote: »

Would it be wrong to say Karma, if a bomb really did go off. I mean the US did drop two atom bombs on Japan.

Karma would of been satisfied by getting nuked after starting the war and commiting various war crimes including such lovely episodes as the rape of nanking surely ?

paddy147

Senor Fancy Pants wrote: »

It's no inanimate carbon rod!

In "rod" we trust.

Riddle101

bizmark wrote: »

Karma would of been satisfied by getting nuked after starting the war and commiting various war crimes including such lovely episodes as the rape of nanking surely ?

Interestingly, the Vietnam war was going on during that, where the US did commit war crimes. But since there was no Nuke involved there, I suppose it wouldn't. But still, they used two atom bomb and arguably committed a war crime there own, did they not?

P_1

To be honest I'd say as more papers become declassified over time I'd imagine we'll be hearing about a lot more 'near misses' when it comes to nuclear weapons. Hundreds of bombers loaded up with bombs designed for various Soviet cities were flying about the States back in the bad old days of the Cold War.

Nonoperational

Meh....

You always hear of these "close calls"... come back to me when we are facing a nuclear apocalypse.

The Backwards Man

It's not like there was any imminent danger. The yoke did what is was supposed to do when the thingamajig failed. No dramas.

returnNull

Riddle101 wrote: »

Would it be wrong to say Karma, if a bomb really did go off. I mean the US did drop two atom bombs on Japan.

Countries dont have karma ,individuals do . Highly unlikely anyone in hiroshima/nagasaki or indeed north carolina had built up enough bad karma to justify been nuked.

Doom

260 times the power of hiroshima bomb. ...scary

returnNull

Doom wrote: »

260 times the power of hiroshima bomb. ...scary

yes very scary...heres a time lapse map of the world showing nukes been used.Not 100% complete because there have been loads of undocumented explosions.

Its kinda cool in a way.watch as india get the bomb and then pakistan get it too and notice them doing tit for tat tests

EDIT:the small number beside the year is the month

Riddle101

returnNull wrote: »

Countries dont have karma ,individuals do . Highly unlikely anyone in hiroshima/nagasaki or indeed north carolina had built up enough bad karma to justify been nuked.

The people who made the bomb, allowed it to be created, and had intentions to use it are responsible for it, so yeah the karma goes against those people. If they ruin their own homeland by accidentally letting off a weapons of mass destruction, it's karma for the evil they created. But of course, innocent lives are at stake so it's a touchy subject.

uch

Were never with me in the Jax, no issue

o1s1n

Riddle101 wrote: »

The people who made the bomb, allowed it to be created, and had intentions to use it are responsible for it, so yeah the karma goes against those people. If they ruin their own homeland by accidentally letting off a weapons of mass destruction, it's karma for the evil they created. But of course, innocent lives are at stake so it's a touchy subject.

Oh for the love of...

Karma doesn't exist, evil doesn't exist.

All that exists in this scenario is a lust for power - nuclear bombs are the ultimate military power. It's as simple as that.

If this hydrogen bomb did go off it would have just been extremely bad luck. Nothing 'karmic' about it.

Riddle101

o1s1n wrote: »

Oh for the love of...

Karma doesn't exist, evil doesn't exist.

All that exists in this scenario is a lust for power - nuclear bombs are the ultimate military power. It's as simple as that.

If this hydrogen bomb did go off it would have just been extremely bad luck. Nothing 'karmic' about it.

It was a figure of speech tbh. The US created weapons of destruction, if it had gone off in their country it would have been quite the unfortunate event for a country who has used similar weapons before.

And if you don't think Evil exists in this world, then then maybe you should go visit some prisons. I'm sure you'll find some people in those places who might qualify for what is termed as evil.

paddy147

returnNull wrote: »

Countries dont have karma ,individuals do . Highly unlikely anyone in hiroshima/nagasaki or indeed north carolina had built up enough bad karma to justify been nuked.

You'd think that wouldnt you??


:pac::D

o1s1n

Riddle101 wrote: »

It was a figure of speech tbh. The US created weapons of destruction, if it had gone off in their country it would have been quite the unfortunate event for a country who has used similar weapons before.

And if you don't think Evil exists in this world, then then maybe you should go visit some prisons. I'm sure you'll find some people in those places who might qualify for what is termed as evil.

Ah, so you were using 'Karma' in a 'serves them right' way because some of their military scientists happened to build a nuclear bomb - doesn't really make any sense to be honest as all the casualties would have been mostly civilians.

Evil does not exist as a 'force', no. There's no such thing. It's sillyness made up by religions to go with the whole god (good) versus the devil (evil) setup.

The brain is a complex thing. Some people are sociopaths with no empathy. In basic terms, they have something wrong with their brain which makes them do horrible things.

Rho b

o1s1n wrote: »

Oh for the love of...

Karma doesn't exist, evil doesn't exist.

All that exists in this scenario is a lust for power - nuclear bombs are the ultimate military power. It's as simple as that.

If this hydrogen bomb did go off it would have just been extremely bad luck. Nothing 'karmic' about it.

I would disagree with you. Biological warfare is the ultimate military power :mad:

o1s1n

Rho b wrote: »

I would disagree with you. Biological warfare is the ultimate military power :mad:

It's really not.

You could stand in the middle of a biological warzone in relative safety if you were wearing the proper equipment.

Can't really say the same for someone standing in the middle of a thermonuclear warzone.

Rho b

o1s1n wrote: »

It's really not.

You could stand in the middle of a biological warzone in relative safety if you were wearing the proper equipment.

Can't really say the same for someone standing in the middle of a thermonuclear warzone.

You do the test run so :eek:

o1s1n

Rho b wrote: »

You do the test run so :eek:

Well they're both pretty awful scenarios to be in - but the idea of being stuck in a biological warfare situation isn't quite as terrifying as imagining being vapourized/fried/melted by a nuclear bomb. (or the absolute horror of the hellish aftermath with everyone around dying horribly from radiation poisoning)

Read up on eyewitness accounts from the aftermath of Nagasaki and Hiroshima, very harrowing stuff

If you ever have time, watch the BBC docu drama from the 80s called 'Threads'. I think it's on youtube. Will scare the bejaysus out of you.

Riddle101

o1s1n wrote: »

Ah, so you were using 'Karma' in a 'serves them right' way because some of their military scientists happened to build a nuclear bomb - doesn't really make any sense to be honest as all the casualties would have been mostly civilians.

Sometimes the responsibilities of certain individuals weigh heavy and are bigger and greater then we know. You have a weapon of mass destruction in your hands, it's a device used for killing, it has no other purpose. Whoever uses it, is in the wrong, and if the US was prepared to use it on someone then they are the ones to be held accountable for. The point I was making is. The US once dropped two atom bombs on Japan. They also were the first to create those weapons. If one of them went off then it is very unfortunate for the people who have to suffer, but it would be creators, the ones who allowed it to be created and are fully prepared to use it, who are responsible for it, but it would show them what such a weapons would do firsthand if it were to go off in their home country. Hense why I mentioned karma. They would use it on someone else's country, but imagine if it were to happen in their own.

Evil does not exist as a 'force', no. There's no such thing. It's sillyness made up by religions to go with the whole god (good) versus the devil (evil) setup.

I don't mean evil as a supernatural force. Evil is a term used to describe a person who commits an immoral act. If someone commits an immoral act like killing, or something then I would deem it as evil depending on the circumstances. You seem to laboring under the impression, that i'm talking about supernatural forces or something. In reality I am describing the immorality of using weapons of mass destruction like H Bombs etc. But then again, I didn't bring up the evil debate.

The brain is a complex thing. Some people are sociopaths with no empathy. In basic terms, they have something wrong with their brain which makes them do horrible things.

People grow up to become sociopaths. Sometimes it depends on their upbringing, sometimes people just become the way they are through other circumstances. People aren't born sociopaths though. But it doesn't matter. We're getting further and further off topic.

SeanW

JONJO THE MISER wrote: »

One simple, dynamo-technology, low voltage switch stood between the United States and a major catastrophe

Read more: http://nation.time.com/2013/09/21/report-u-s-came-close-to-nuclear-disaster-in-1961/#ixzz2fZn40N69
http://nation.time.com/2013/09/21/report-u-s-came-close-to-nuclear-disaster-in-1961/?iid=us-main-mostpop1

You missed a few key points in your title:

1. 1961
2. The near miss related to nuclear weapons.

the_syco

If the USA hadn't created it before the Germans, history would have been different.

Riddle101 wrote: »

The US created weapons of destruction, if it had gone off in their country it would have been quite the unfortunate event for a country who has used similar weapons before.

If it had gone off, it would have been an unfortunate event for Russia, who would've gotten a large section wiped off the map.

Manic Moran

The Backwards Man wrote: »

It's not like there was any imminent danger. The yoke did what is was supposed to do when the thingamajig failed. No dramas.

Pretty much. There's a reason there were a number of failsafes in the device.

Overheal

Manic Moran wrote: »

Pretty much. There's a reason there were a number of failsafes in the device.

the article that I read this morning disagrees. The analysis the military apparently did after the accident concluded the designed failsafes were completely inadequate for their application as bomber payload.

somefeen

:O this thread matches my mood.

minidazzler

Riddle101 wrote: »

Would it be wrong to say Karma, if a bomb really did go off. I mean the US did drop two atom bombs on Japan.

The Atom Bombs prevented far more deaths than they caused. The US couldn't fight a land war or launch a land invasion in Japan with any less than 500,000 casualties on their own side, probably 4 times that on the Japanese side.