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Was the sit down a failure?

  • 20-09-2013 10:06PM
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    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,154 ✭✭✭


    Reading a lot of threads criticising the o'connell bridge protest.

    Wasn't part of it, haven't been part of any and I'm not sure i feel state compliant sanctioned "zoned" protests have any effect beyond social interaction. But this has made me take a second look, granted I've grown up with an anarchic punk rock ethic and lived in France where social protest and solidarity are fundamental parts of life for the populous who "celebrate" their revolution and continue to value and live it through "manifests". Always thought Ireland was just too docile and corrupt to care, or to risk me fein.

    How many protests "outside the Dail" have there been since 2007? Do we care? Have they had any impact?

    This one had, it pissed people off, it directly involved them in the "struggle" all be it unwillingly. Say a protest movement organised sit downs that prevented vehicular access around government member's homes? People would be pissed with the protesters but eventually, when the selfishness reached its zenith, eroding any neighbourhood solidarity, perhaps the neighbourhood would end up putting pressure on the government members to move?
    After all what else do self serving politicians actually care about? Save comfort? We might even achieve "ministerial responsibility"?

    So many seem content to live lives of "I'm all right Jack" perhaps such "intrusive" protests like we saw this week are positive for our democracy? After all the only thing that no one rich nor poor can afford to lose was taken on O'Connell Bridge - Time! - the currency of change?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 915 ✭✭✭hansfrei


    Oh FFS.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,466 ✭✭✭Clandestine


    YEs it was a failure. When the protesters get their act together and get rid of their hilarious communist etc. beliefs, lose the Guy Fawkes masks and think of some legitimate solutions to fixing the Irish economy, people may begin to take them seriously. Sitting down and interuppting traffic and causing a s*** ton of people to become late for appointments etc. is just going to piss off a lot of people with no positive results.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 770 ✭✭✭ComputerKing


    Ya it pissed people off but didn't help the causes only made people pissed off at the people behind them.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,154 ✭✭✭Niall Keane


    YEs it was a failure. When the protesters get their act together and get rid of their hilarious communist etc. beliefs, lose the Guy Fawkes masks and think of some legitimate solutions to fixing the Irish economy, people may begin to take them seriously. Sitting down and interuppting traffic and causing a s*** ton of people to become late for appointments etc. is just going to piss off a lot of people with no positive results.


    If you have a pot hole in a road in Ireland, people can gain access to the Dail for "fixing it" ( never mind the blur between local and central government - the thicks never got that anyway) - this is just a bigger, mobile pothole, experience has taught us this may in fact be how democracy can work in Ireland?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 915 ✭✭✭hansfrei


    People on a bus get upset.

    People have services removed from their special needs children.




    Which one do you think is more important OP.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,533 ✭✭✭SV


    They ended up inconveniencing a load of people at the least and pissing a load of others off at most.
    Their head speakers were spouting shíte about Ireland being a fetus of some kind and in general coming off as being a bit crazy.
    The same government is in power and the same craic is happening.


    Yes, it was a monumental failure. Or success, considering I don't know what they thought they were gonna achieve.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,711 ✭✭✭C.K Dexter Haven


    Look, at some stage someone has to stand up after a sit-down- get over urself:rolleyes:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 191 ✭✭ElizaT33


    I just wish all Irish people would just STOP COMPLAINING, STOP LAMENTING, STOP BLAMING and just get the FCUK OUT THERE AND GET JOBS .....! The DOLE and going bankrupt etc. too easy a way out - pay up what u borrowed, I know I am and it's crap! Get on with it .......:cool:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,516 ✭✭✭wazky


    ElizaT33 wrote: »
    I just wish all Irish people would just STOP COMPLAINING, STOP LAMENTING, STOP BLAMING and just get the FCUK OUT THERE AND GET JOBS .....! The DOLE and going bankrupt etc. too easy a way out - pay up what u borrowed, I know I am and it's crap! Get on with it .......:cool:

    Can you point me towards all these jobs for the thousands of the unemployed?, without the need for a ticket to a foreign country would be great.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,154 ✭✭✭Niall Keane


    SV wrote: »
    They ended up inconveniencing a load of people at the least and pissing a load of others off at most.
    Their head speakers were spouting shíte about Ireland being a fetus of some kind and in general coming off as being a bit crazy.
    The same government is in power and the same craic is happening.


    Yes, it was a monumental failure. Or success, considering I don't know what they thought they were gonna achieve.

    Im kinda interested more so in the "impact" V the non-impact of polite compliant non-disruptive (especially to business) protest outside of the Dail, some organisation which i believe was lacking here (it was a reactionary move to occupy the bridge) could highlight any cause better than a loudspeaker and make us all aware.

    My question more concerns the effectiveness of the move in contrast to previous "authorised" protests. Something in me finds "state sanctioned "legal") protests a joke!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 191 ✭✭ElizaT33


    Loads of jobs in IT - Dole Office ALWAYS asking recipients to work for their Dole (AMAZING LOTS OF PEOPLE CANT)! OR WON'T? I think a lot of people find it easier to not work, circumstance wise and this is not good - the Budget might change all this though, and wouldn't be a bad thing


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 915 ✭✭✭hansfrei


    ElizaT33 wrote: »
    Loads of jobs in IT - Dole Office ALWAYS asking recipients to work for their Dole (AMAZING LOTS OF PEOPLE CANT)! OR WON'T? I think a lot of people find it easier to not work, circumstance wise and this is not good - the Budget might change all this though, and wouldn't be a bad thing

    €20bn on dole, OAPs and carers.
    €20bn on public service workers pay and pensions.

    EBS (state ownwed) bank gets €0.75bn in bonuses for its staff this month. NAMA is hemorrhaging money. Anglo's debts will cost us €3bn AGAIN this month.

    Somehow lets blame people for being unemployed or something....



    Jesus wept.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,025 ✭✭✭Am Chile


    Reading a lot of threads criticising the o'connell bridge protest.

    Wasn't part of it, haven't been part of any and I'm not sure i feel state compliant sanctioned "zoned" protests have any effect beyond social interaction. But this has made me take a second look, granted I've grown up with an anarchic punk rock ethic and lived in France where social protest and solidarity are fundamental parts of life for the populous who "celebrate" their revolution and continue to value and live it through "manifests". Always thought Ireland was just too docile and corrupt to care, or to risk me fein.

    How many protests "outside the Dail" have there been since 2007? Do we care? Have they had any impact?

    This one had, it pissed people off, it directly involved them in the "struggle" all be it unwillingly. Say a protest movement organised sit downs that prevented vehicular access around government member's homes? People would be pissed with the protesters but eventually, when the selfishness reached its zenith, eroding any neighbourhood solidarity, perhaps the neighbourhood would end up putting pressure on the government members to move?
    After all what else do self serving politicians actually care about? Save comfort? We might even achieve "ministerial responsibility"?

    So many seem content to live lives of "I'm all right Jack" perhaps such "intrusive" protests like we saw this week are positive for our democracy? After all the only thing that no one rich nor poor can afford to lose was taken on O'Connell Bridge - Time! - the currency of change?

    The usual protests where there is an agreed route with gardai and speeches afterwards are useless-what they done wednesday in just marching ahead and saying nothing to the gardai is better then the sanctioned protests-regarding blocking the bridge im looking at it in two ways- at the same time they blocked the bridge-richard boyd barret hosted an assembly near the dail- the bridge blockade got far more media coverage both national and international and people talking then richard boyd barretts assembly- the two mistakes the bridge blockers made were wrong timing picking evening rush hour to block the bridge and blocking it for too long-if they blocked the bridge in the afternoon for about 5 mins then keep marching up o connell street would of been a better tactical move then blocking the bridge at evening hour-regarding people complaining the bridge blockade was an inconvenience- there will always be some people complaining about inconvenience regarding protests- when the farmers went up to dublin to protest around this time last year-there were people on joe duffy complaining that the farmers protesting was an inconvenience-when a pre budget march took place in dublin last november there was people on boards.ie complaining the pre budget march was an inconvenience-when occupy same street was in operation there was people complaining on dublin radio shows the occupy dame street was an inconvenience.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,512 ✭✭✭Muise...


    hansfrei wrote: »
    People on a bus get upset.

    People have services removed from their special needs children.




    Which one do you think is more important OP.

    I think people with special needs children on the bus are the most important of all.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,516 ✭✭✭wazky


    Muise... wrote: »
    I think people with special needs children on the bus are the most important of all.

    What about the ones under it?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,512 ✭✭✭Muise...


    wazky wrote: »
    What about the ones under it?

    they go round and round. :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,787 ✭✭✭mohawk


    ElizaT33 wrote: »
    Loads of jobs in IT

    You do realise alot of those roles are looking for people with very specialised skill sets?? Employers are having to look abroad to fill alot of them.
    Being able to switch a computer on and off again does not a qualify you for IT roles.


  • Moderators, Education Moderators Posts: 26,409 Mod ✭✭✭✭Peregrine


    hansfrei wrote: »
    People on a bus get upset.

    People have services removed from their special needs children.




    Which one do you think is more important OP.

    Yes and now that it's over..what did it achieve?

    People on many buses and cars around the city upset.

    People still have services removed from their special needs children.


    Silly ideas like "Occupy Dame Street" and "Lock the government out of the Dáíl" by people who mostly haven't a clue what they're talking about isn't going to change anything.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 915 ✭✭✭hansfrei


    Nimrod 7 wrote: »
    Yes and now that it's over..what did it achieve?

    People on many buses and cars around the city upset.

    People still have services removed from their special needs children.


    Silly ideas like "Occupy Dame Street" and "Lock the government out of the Dáíl" by people who mostly haven't a clue what they're talking about isn't going to change anything.

    That statement implies we need bigger protests.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 915 ✭✭✭hansfrei


    ElizaT33 wrote: »
    ............- pay up what u borrowed, :



    All €80bn. Thats a good place to start.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,971 ✭✭✭Sh1tbag OToole


    mohawk wrote: »
    You do realise alot of those roles are looking for people with very specialised skill sets?? Employers are having to look abroad to fill alot of them.
    Being able to switch a computer on and off again does not a qualify you for IT roles.

    Loads of jobs in IT if you have 5 years commercial Java development experience, excellent knowledge of godknowswhat obscure frameworks, databases and utilities (most of them proprietary) and fluent Swahili.

    If you're a graduate then you either need to get all A's in a "red brick" (!!) - university or you need a year or 2 experience. They are graduate positions but they still require a year or 2 experience :confused:

    Things aren't so rosy as "loads of jobs in IT". Keep in mind as well that a huge amount of the jobs you see advertised are by agencies and don't actually exist. They are only there to fill the agency's reserve tank.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,749 ✭✭✭veryangryman


    mohawk wrote: »
    You do realise alot of those roles are looking for people with very specialised skill sets?? Employers are having to look abroad to fill alot of them.
    Being able to switch a computer on and off again does not a qualify you for IT roles.

    If only there was a back to education allowance for people to up skill to these positions. A man can dream.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,749 ✭✭✭veryangryman


    Loads of jobs in IT if you have 5 years commercial Java development experience, excellent knowledge of godknowswhat obscure frameworks, databases and utilities (most of them proprietary) and fluent Swahili.

    If you're a graduate then you either need to get all A's in a "red brick" (!!) - university or you need a year or 2 experience. They are graduate positions but they still require a year or 2 experience :confused:

    Things aren't so rosy as "loads of jobs in IT". Keep in mind as well that a huge amount of the jobs you see advertised are by agencies and don't actually exist. They are only there to fill the agency's reserve tank.

    Life is hard. Takes a bit of determination. Of course you can't just walk into the industry. Same for most. You got your qualifications ducks in a row by working hard at it and then keep applying. Use job bridge if necessary.

    All that said its never been easier to get work in that industry if you want it.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,971 ✭✭✭Sh1tbag OToole


    If only there was a back to education allowance for people to up skill to these positions. A man can dream.

    Companies don't want to hear of people who 're-skilled' their way into IT. A nerdy graduate (with high marks and experience) is more desirable and in plentiful supply. Huge emphasis on youth in the IT industry, very fast moving, what you spend 4 years studying could be declared obsolete a year or 2 after you graduate.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,180 ✭✭✭EyeSight


    Loads of jobs in IT if you have 5 years commercial Java development experience, excellent knowledge of godknowswhat obscure frameworks, databases and utilities (most of them proprietary) and fluent Swahili.

    If you're a graduate then you either need to get all A's in a "red brick" (!!) - university or you need a year or 2 experience. They are graduate positions but they still require a year or 2 experience :confused:

    Things aren't so rosy as "loads of jobs in IT". Keep in mind as well that a huge amount of the jobs you see advertised are by agencies and don't actually exist. They are only there to fill the agency's reserve tank.

    as a recent graduate i must say this is BS. you need no experience for most grad jobs. You do not need straight A's. Maybe for the likes of Google but the majority don't


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 326 ✭✭Savoir.Faire


    James Connolly was a great man for sitting down and having a nice cup of tea. Collins, not so much. Always on the go.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,971 ✭✭✭Sh1tbag OToole


    Life is hard. Takes a bit of determination. Of course you can't just walk into the industry. Same for most. You got your qualifications ducks in a row by working hard at it and then keep applying. Use job bridge if necessary.

    All that said its never been easier to get work in that industry if you want it.

    I did get a job eventually but not without putting up with gobsh1te agencies for about a year trying to find something, job bridge is a scam. Sure there are a fishtfull of companies who actually hire their interns but for the most part its a free pool of slave labour our government is handing over to the corporate world to help them stick around.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,971 ✭✭✭Sh1tbag OToole


    EyeSight wrote: »
    as a recent graduate i must say this is BS. you need no experience for most grad jobs. You do not need straight A's. Maybe for the likes of Google but the majority don't

    Things must have really turned around in the past few months though or you just so happen to have a specific IT skill that's in very high demand.

    You might be able to get into google without getting A's if you wiggle your way in through an agency. There is a lot of sh1te talk about that company and their infamous interview process - 'I know someone who had to solve an impossible maze during the interview'. Load of bollix


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,180 ✭✭✭EyeSight


    Things must have really turned around in the past few months though or you just so happen to have a specific IT skill that's in very high demand.

    You might be able to get into google without getting A's if you wiggle your way in through an agency. There is a lot of sh1te talk about that company and their infamous interview process - 'I know someone who had to solve an impossible maze during the interview'. Load of bollix
    i really don't think you know what you're talking about. I have no specialist knowledge, i was a uni graduate with a generic computer science degree.

    i started with a large well known company 2 years ago and there were so many jobs. Everyone in my year who wanted a job got one. With my company i am involved in the graduate hiring process and there's tonnes of positions.
    Yes the rumours about solving puzzles are untrue but we do throw them difficult coding questions to see how they go about solving problems. during the interviews we don't even look at their results

    Graduate positions are rarely filled by going through agencies. Not for IT anyway


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,340 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    wazky wrote: »
    Can you point me towards all these jobs for the thousands of the unemployed?, without the need for a ticket to a foreign country would be great.

    Adam, Mariusz, Marcin, Damian, Deividas, Madgalena, Karina, Bogdan, Krzysztof, Michalina, Tomas, Irina, Inesa, Michal, Nicola, Przemyslaw, Joanna, Andrea, Simona, Darius, Jozef, Radek, Jakub, Piotr, Lukas, Malgorzata, Karol, Rasa, Artur, Dominik, Malgorzata.

    Robin, Barry, Derek, Fiona, Edward, David, Matthew, Alison, Patrick, Liam, Alan, Jason, Stephen, Dean.


    Above is a list of names working in a supermarket branch in Ireland. I got it from a fax sent in error to my workplace which was their work rota for this week. 31 East European and 14 Irish/British from their surnames.


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