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Not again - Mass shooting in Chicago - MOD WARNING Post #1

  • 20-09-2013 06:06AM
    #1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,790 ✭✭✭


    It's reported now that 11 people are injured including a young child. No word on the shooter(s) yet.
    A Chicago police spokesman says several people have been shot in a park located in a neighbourhood in the southwest of the city.

    It is thought the shooting happened on the city's South Side at 10.15pm on Thursday night.

    An officer with Chicago Police News Affairs told CBS "multiple people" had sustained gunshot wounds and were taken to hospitals in the area.

    The ages and victims and extent of injuries weren't immediately available.

    CNN reported that a child and 10 adults were hit by the gunfire.

    No one is in custody.

    FBI figures have shown that Chicago has become the murder capital of the US with 500 deaths in the last year.

    edited to correct wrong info.

    Sky News


    MOD NOTE - This thread is about a shooting in Chicago. It is NOT a thread about gun laws, about any gripes you have about America or anything other than the shooting in Chicago. So stick to the topic.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 720 ✭✭✭jeepers101


    That report says ten people have been shot. Doesn't say they're dead.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,620 ✭✭✭dobman88


    jeepers101 wrote: »
    That report says ten people have been shot. Doesn't say they're dead.


    So it is okay for someone to shoot people, just don't kill them??? :rolleyes:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 720 ✭✭✭jeepers101


    dobman88 wrote: »
    So it is okay for someone to shoot people, just don't kill them??? :rolleyes:

    Seriously? What part of my post implied that? I was merely adding info to the first post that stated eleven people were dead.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 295 ✭✭seanie_c


    This is terrible tragedy, no doubt there.

    What I don't understand is why gun related deaths get more exposure from the mainstream media than other issues.

    500,000 people die every year from cigarettes in the US, 10% of those from second hand smoke.

    100,000 people die every year from hospital infections in the US.

    80,000 deaths per year attributed to alcohol consumption.

    38,000 suicides in 2011 for America.

    32,000 homicides involving guns.

    8 million people worldwide die of starvation every year, or about 25,000 per day.

    You could go on and on...guns are not the only thing killing people out there.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,620 ✭✭✭dobman88


    jeepers101 wrote: »
    Seriously? What part of my post implied that? I was merely adding info to the first post that stated eleven people were dead.

    If adding info was your reason then fair enough. Your 1st post just sounded like it was ok to shoot people but don't kill them.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,592 ✭✭✭Tristram


    dobman88 wrote: »
    If adding info was your reason then fair enough. Your 1st post just sounded like it was ok to shoot people but don't kill them.

    Don't know where you got that from.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,790 ✭✭✭up for anything


    jeepers101 wrote: »
    That report says ten people have been shot. Doesn't say they're dead.

    Apologies. You're correct. I was listening to the news report on the tv rather than reading it and I suppose in my head shooting is synonymous with dead.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,790 ✭✭✭up for anything


    Twelve people, including a 3-year-old child, were shot at a Chicago park in the Back of the Yards neighborhood Thursday night, authorities said.

    Ten adults and the 3-year-old were transported by Fire Department ambulances after in the attack in the 1800 block of West 51st Street in the Back of the Yards neighborhood, said Fire Department Deputy District Chief James Mungovan. A 12th victim was believed to have driven himself to Little Company of Mary Hospital in Evergreen Park, a source said, citing preliminary information.

    Three of the victims, including the child, were taken to local hospitals in serious-to-critical condition, according to the Fire Department's news office. Four were in fair-to-serious condition, and four were in good-to-fair condition, according to the Fire Department. Victims were taken to hospitals including Northwestern Memorial Hospital, John H. Stroger Jr. Hospital, and Mount Sinai, Holy Cross and St. Anthony hospitals.

    A witness at the scene said three police officers carried the child to an ambulance.

    "I didn't hear no sounds," from the child, he said.

    The attack took place about about 10:15 p.m. and fire officials called an Emergency Medical Services Plan II, sending at least 10 ambulances to the scene.

    A total of at least 11 people were shot, including the 3-year-old, who was shot in the face, according to a source.

    As of 11 p.m., Police News Affairs could only confirm that multiple people were shot at the location.

    More here - Chicago Tribune


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 62 ✭✭pale blue dot cotton


    Where they predominantly white or black? White and this will be an 'awful tragedy'. Black and it'll be forgotten before Monday.

    Harsh facts of crime in Chicago.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,251 ✭✭✭massdebater


    seanie_c wrote: »
    This is terrible tragedy, no doubt there.

    What I don't understand is why gun related deaths get more exposure from the mainstream media than other issues.

    500,000 people die every year from cigarettes in the US, 10% of those from second hand smoke.

    100,000 people die every year from hospital infections in the US.

    80,000 deaths per year attributed to alcohol consumption.

    38,000 suicides in 2011 for America.

    32,000 homicides involving guns.

    8 million people worldwide die of starvation every year, or about 25,000 per day.

    You could go on and on...guns are not the only thing killing people out there.

    You should start a thread about those other things. This thread is about guns.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,854 ✭✭✭Sinfonia


    Where they predominantly white or black? White and this will be an 'awful tragedy'. Black and it'll be forgotten before Monday.

    Harsh facts of crime in Chicago.
    Black.
    You should start a thread about those other things. This thread is about guns.
    It is?? I thought it was about people.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,251 ✭✭✭massdebater


    Sinfonia wrote: »
    It is?? I thought it was about people.

    It's about gun-related injuries/deaths. The previous poster was going way off on a tangent, talking about smoking, alcohol consumption, starvation etc. I simply suggested they start their own thread on those things instead of dragging this one off-topic.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,584 ✭✭✭ronan45


    Sooo is there gonna be a thread EVERYTIME takes out their side piece and does a turkey shoot :rolleyes:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,790 ✭✭✭up for anything


    ronan45 wrote: »
    Sooo is there gonna be a thread EVERYTIME takes out their side piece and does a turkey shoot :rolleyes:

    Because threads are like conversations in real life the answer to your question is most likely yes. People speak about all sorts of things and just because they are a regular occurrence it doesn't mean they won't get mentioned.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,854 ✭✭✭Sinfonia


    It's about gun-related injuries/deaths. The previous poster was going way off on a tangent, talking about smoking, alcohol consumption, starvation etc. I simply suggested they start their own thread on those things instead of dragging this one off-topic.

    My point was that this thread/story is about a f*ck-of-a-lot more than just guns, and to focus specifically on that one aspect of it is - as always - ridiculous.


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 34,811 CMod ✭✭✭✭CiDeRmAn


    It says something when people become dismissive of the attempted murder of 12 people.
    And it says something about a country that is more protective of its constitution and the right to bear arms than those citizens who are suffering because of it.


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 34,811 CMod ✭✭✭✭CiDeRmAn


    Sinfonia wrote: »
    My point was that this thread/story is about a f*ck-of-a-lot more than just guns, and to focus specifically on that one aspect of it is - as always - ridiculous.

    The story is about 12 people who were indiscriminatedly shot in an American neighbourhood, including a child.
    I reckon a focus on gun ownership and crime, in light of another recent shooting spree is perfectly reasonable.
    To divert off the op by taking of all the other things killing people in the world is just trolling.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,854 ✭✭✭Sinfonia


    CiDeRmAn wrote: »
    The story is about 12 people who were indiscriminatedly shot in an American neighbourhood, including a child.
    I reckon a focus on gun ownership and crime, in light of another recent shooting spree is perfectly reasonable.
    To divert off the op by taking of all the other things killing people in the world is just trolling.

    I'm not saying that seanie_c was right to immediately jump in and (sort of) defend guns either.
    But - as can be seen in the Washington shootings thread - the conversation has squarely revolved around guns, with not much talk of other factors.

    In other words, a post about a stabbing wouldn't result in a thread about knives, but a post about a shooting seems to always result in a thread about guns.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,266 ✭✭✭Overflow


    dobman88 wrote: »
    So it is okay for someone to shoot people, just don't kill them??? :rolleyes:


    WHAT...Where the hell did you pull that from, clearly your arse !


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 34,811 CMod ✭✭✭✭CiDeRmAn


    Sinfonia wrote: »

    In other words, a post about a stabbing wouldn't result in a thread about knives, but a post about a shooting seems to always result in a thread about guns.

    Actually, if I saw an article detailing murders committed by a wielder of knives I'd probably expect a focus on the availability of certain kinds of knives, principally hunting knives, to the under age, in fact I seem to remember that exact thing coming up after a murder a number of years ago.

    Yes, a discussion on a mass shooting has far more things to debate than just the gun question, but in the US, coming hot on the heels of another mass shooting, it's not unexpected for the spotlight to be shone on this one feature.
    There are questions about the value of life, the society that accepts the injury of so many of its citizens of a certain economic class and so on.


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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 34,811 CMod ✭✭✭✭CiDeRmAn


    Overflow wrote: »
    WHAT...Where the hell did you pull that from, clearly your arse !

    Yeah, I was wondering where that was pulled from


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 295 ✭✭seanie_c


    CiDeRmAn wrote:
    It's about gun-related injuries/deaths. The previous poster was going way off on a tangent, talking about smoking, alcohol consumption, starvation etc. I simply suggested they start their own thread on those things instead of dragging this one off-topic.

    Ah okay, so what's your solution to the problem then?
    Ban guns?

    It's idealistic but impractical to enforce.

    Gangs acquire guns from the shadow economy, how would that be dealt with?
    Chicago police were making no information about what happened public, except to say that the shooting appeared to be gang-related.

    You can buy any kind of guns in America if you have the money and know the right people.

    Anyone that indiscriminately fires a gun on people obviously has a screw lose and shouldn't be walking around freely in the first place.

    Maybe they should have sent the man to Iraq or Afghanistan?
    Then he'd return a hero and awarded medals for bravery, killing women and children over there instead...

    CiDeRmAn wrote: »
    It says something when people become dismissive of the attempted murder of 12 people.
    And it says something about a country that is more protective of its constitution and the right to bear arms than those citizens who are suffering because of it.

    Spare me your disingenuous concern for human life when an average of 25,000 people around the world die every day from starvation.

    Any needless loss of life is terrible but you imply gun related deaths are more important...how strange.

    If you're that concerned about Americans dying from guns, why not join a Gun Control Advocacy group?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,041 ✭✭✭Penny Dreadful


    seanie_c wrote: »
    Ah okay, so what's your solution to the problem then?
    Ban guns?

    It's idealistic but impractical to enforce.

    Gangs acquire guns from the shadow economy, how would that be dealt with?



    You can buy any kind of guns in America if you have the money and know the right people.

    Anyone that indiscriminately fires a gun on people obviously has a screw lose and shouldn't be walking around freely in the first place.

    Maybe they should have sent the man to Iraq or Afghanistan?
    Then he'd return a hero and awarded medals for bravery, killing women and children over there instead...



    Spare me your disingenuous concern for human life when an average of 25,000 people around the world die every day from starvation.


    Any needless loss of life is terrible but you imply gun related deaths are more important...how strange.If you're that concerned about Americans dying from guns, why not join a Gun Control Advocacy group?

    The loss of life through needless starvation is shocking and the attitude towards the people who suffer it is too.
    The gun related deaths in the USA hit home/ hit harder for a few reasons. Some of these I think are that people can identify more readily with people in the USA rather than Senegal and so have empathy more easily/readily. Also it is puzzling to me (and I imagine other Irish people) how and why people in America can guns, so many guns, and despite the horrific shootings in schools, playgrounds, etc people still won't give them or even some of them up.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,616 ✭✭✭8k2q1gfcz9s5d4


    I blame GTA V


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 23,555 ✭✭✭✭Sir Digby Chicken Caesar


    but it's nothing like the way people die in car accidents and refuse to give up their cars, or drown in swimming pools and refuse to make pools illegal, or so many people have peanut allergies but peanuts are still allowed in our stores

    ****ing americans


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 34,811 CMod ✭✭✭✭CiDeRmAn


    seanie_c wrote: »
    Ah okay, so what's your solution to the problem then?
    Ban guns?

    It's idealistic but impractical to enforce.

    Gangs acquire guns from the shadow economy, how would that be dealt with?

    Don't over simplify.
    The issue of an armed populace is implicit in the American constitution, so the rot is there.
    The idea that a common group, be it on a family level or that of a community, should deal with threat by arming itself is foolish.
    European populations don't require a gun in a cabinet to sleep well at night.
    Armed gangs?
    We have people committing common crimes and arming themselves to do it, at least in the American example.
    It's a vicious circle, of ever more weaponised people, those who would use guns to defend themselves and those who use guns to take what's not theirs.
    You can buy any kind of guns in America if you have the money and know the right people.
    What the hell has that got to do with anything,
    you can buy a gun here if you know the "right kind of people"
    But here crime involving guns is relatively low, and deaths as result of gun crime is also very low.
    the position of Ireland and firearms, including statistics on gun crime
    Anyone that indiscriminately fires a gun on people obviously has a screw lose and shouldn't be walking around freely in the first place.
    True, but how do you determine if someone is so mentally unhinged that a mass shooting is a solution to their problem?
    How, if your society puts few demands on the vendor of guns, are you to prohibit the sale of weapons to those kinds of people without infringing on the constitutional rights of them also?
    Maybe they should have sent the man to Iraq or Afghanistan?
    Then he'd return a hero and awarded medals for bravery, killing women and children over there instead...
    And now you've gone off on one.
    No one is seriously considering a trained army, operating under a government mandate, are the equivalent of a man opening fire on a group of unarmed civilians in domestic territory?
    Sure, we have seen some terrible acts committed by armed forces overseas, I'm not an apologist for them, and these people must be seen to face justice, but, given the 12 year long nature of the engagement, we have seen much care in preventing civilian casualties while the troops themselves are put in danger.
    The rights and wrongs of the US and the Coalition of the Willing and the United Nations Security Council, their presence in Afghanistan in the first place, and the rest, are really not the purpose of this thread.
    You were being deliberately inflammatory in even bringing it up.


    Spare me your disingenuous concern for human life when an average of 25,000 people around the world die every day from starvation.

    Any needless loss of life is terrible but you imply gun related deaths are more important...how strange.

    And now you are reading some post but obviously not mine.
    You don't know me.
    You don't know what my feelings on the numbers of people dying world wide from preventable diseases are, people dying from dirty water, from hunger and so on.
    I made it clear that my comments were on the OP, which was the gun fire on a random group of people resulting in many serious injuries, including that of a child.
    I didn't raise the matter, someone else did, the OP, and I simply commented on it.
    If you want a discussion of the greater issue of all preventable deaths, or deal with it topic by topic, fire away, could be a good debate there, but spare me this utter nonsense assuming I feel gun related deaths are more important, what utter drivel.
    If you're that concerned about Americans dying from guns, why not join a Gun Control Advocacy group?
    Why would I?
    I'm not an American citizen.
    If I was I'm sure I would join such a group, but I'm not.
    I'm an Irish citizen and this is my home, so I have no need to worry as, and it's pointed out in the link above, my home country has tight gun control laws and a mature approach to gun ownership and their legitimate use.

    But as a reader of the news and with an interest in history I would of course have an opinion on the subject of guns, anyone in fact is entitled to have an opinion on anything.

    It is such a pity then that some people seek to undermine threads to inflict their ill-informed opinions on everyone else.


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 34,811 CMod ✭✭✭✭CiDeRmAn


    Apologies to the mod for the above post, I was responding to some blatant flaming and personal abuse, but the shooting of 12 innocents in Chicago remains tragic and the increase in Chicago guncrime a worrying feature for the cities nearly 3 million population.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 847 ✭✭✭Bog Standard User


    guns dont kill people... its the idiots that are using them that do.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,269 ✭✭✭GalwayGuy2


    And it says something about a country that is more protective of its constitution and the right to bear arms than those citizens who are suffering because of it.


    ...Abortion?

    Oh bringing the two most controversial issues in after hours together.

    This will sound awful, but I hope it's gang related. I actually find it more worrying where a person goes on a killing spree.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,023 ✭✭✭Fukuyama


    This won't change a thing in the US.

    They love their guns so much they'll live in fear of others owning them.

    A firearm belongs in the hand of two kinds of people. Trained professionals and justified revolutionaries.

    There is simply no need for a gun among average, urban citizens.


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