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Michael Noonan's final budget ?

  • 19-09-2013 10:00am
    #1
    Jay x
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12 ✭


    With a reshuffle plannned for the new year and Noonan being 70 years old, Is it likely he will retire of be moved to Arts ?


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  • #2
    Sir Humphrey Appleby
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,465 ✭✭✭Sir Humphrey Appleby


    I doubt that there will be a reshuffle until after the Euro and Local Elections and until after it is decided which inept gombeen is to be rewarded with an EU Commissionership!


  • #3
    Cody Pomeray
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,648 ✭✭✭Cody Pomeray


    No Finance Minister has ever been moved in a cabinet reshuffle in the history of the State, except where there has been a change of Taoiseach.

    Two (by my count) have been sent to Europe; and one of them was requesting it.

    I'd be pretty confident that Noonan will only leave the Finance portfolio for Europe or The Pension. And Europe is not likely, considering his age.


  • #4
    Dob74
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,049 ✭✭✭Dob74


    Jay x wrote: »
    With a reshuffle plannned for the new year and Noonan being 70 years old, Is it likely he will retire of be moved to Arts ?


    Hopefully he will go into retirement. Gilmore to Europe, Joan Burton to Finance a nice up yours to the Austerity Hawks.
    15 of the last 22 quarters have been negative growth.
    Time to start growth in the economy.


  • #5
    oscarBravo
    Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 28,830 Mod ✭✭✭✭oscarBravo


    Dob74 wrote: »
    Joan Burton to Finance a nice up yours to the Austerity Hawks.
    Yeah, now that we're running a healthy budget surplus, it's time we had a finance minister who'll slash taxes and increase spending.


  • #6
    Cody Pomeray
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,648 ✭✭✭Cody Pomeray


    You're accusing Joan Burton of wanting to "slash taxes"?

    Being anti austerity is not the same as being anti austerity hawks. It's one thing reaching the target, it's another to be encouraging exceeding the target quite markedly.


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  • #7
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Dob74 wrote: »
    Hopefully he will go into retirement. Gilmore to Europe, Joan Burton to Finance a nice up yours to the Austerity Hawks.
    15 of the last 22 quarters have been negative growth.
    Time to start growth in the economy.

    You want the person who brought in Jobbridge & claims that welfare drives the economy to run the country's finances?


  • #8
    djpbarry
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,104 ✭✭✭✭djpbarry


    Dob74 wrote: »
    15 of the last 22 quarters have been negative growth.
    Time to start growth in the economy.
    The economy has grown since the low of 2009 - the general trend in both GDP and GNP since that point has been positive. Not massively positive, but positive none the less.


  • #9
    Mary Anne Wilson
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6 ✭Mary Anne Wilson


    He said yesterday he has no plans to retire and that he plans to contest the next General Election.


  • #10
    Loafing Oaf
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,309 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    Mary Anne Wilson wrote: »
    He said yesterday he has no plans to retire and that he plans to contest the next General Election.

    Think of it, Dermot Morgan is 15 years gone, and Noonan and PJ Mara are as 'active' as ever...


  • #11
    Sierra Oscar
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 8,601 CMod ✭✭✭✭Sierra Oscar


    I don't think Noonan will be Finance Minister after the budget, and I seriously doubt he will contest the next election if it is not held until 2016.

    Nothing to do with his performance which he has excelled in compared to expectations, but unfortunately age and such matters do come into play when it comes to a reshuffle.


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  • #12
    Cody Pomeray
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,648 ✭✭✭Cody Pomeray


    Wasn't Ronald Reagan 70 when he was elected to his 2nd term?

    I am so tired of age (at either extreme) being used against people as some legitimate form of discrimination undermining their ability to do their job. Do people still think this is a legitimate discrimination that they have the right to foist on the rest of us, unashamedly, in public?

    If Noonan does plan on retiring, the last thing he'll be doing is admitting it before Budget 2015. In either case, I see no legitimate reason to assume he will retire just because he is about 70.


  • #13
    Fooker
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 292 ✭✭Fooker


    Age gets you in the end, but there are many notable exceptions; look across the water in the 19th century alone, you had Disraeli, Galdstone, Palmerstone with longevity...


  • #14
    Sierra Oscar
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 8,601 CMod ✭✭✭✭Sierra Oscar


    Cody Pomeray wrote: »

    I am so tired of age (at either extreme) being used against people as some legitimate form of discrimination undermining their ability to do their job.

    I was not only referring to age really, age alone would not be a reason for anyone having to step aside.

    Anyway at the end of the day this is politics. During the next reshuffle the emphasis will be placed on ensuring that the future leading stars of FG are given a high profile prior to the next election.


  • #15
    Cody Pomeray
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,648 ✭✭✭Cody Pomeray


    You specifically mentioned age amongst other un-named factors, and it is the age factor that I am criticizing.

    It is discriminatory of you to raise it, the same as it would be if you raised his skin colour. It's not an acceptable thing for an adult - or even a child - to say.


  • #16
    Floppybits
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,841 ✭✭✭Floppybits


    Sierra Oscar wrote: »
    I was not only referring to age really, age alone would not be a reason for anyone having to step aside.

    Anyway at the end of the day this is politics. During the next reshuffle the emphasis will be placed on ensuring that the future leading stars of FG are given a high profile prior to the next election.

    Will Enda give them a high profile considering that some of the future leaders were against at the time of the heave?


  • #17
    one foot in the grave
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 55 ✭✭one foot in the grave


    Jay x wrote: »
    With a reshuffle plannned for the new year and Noonan being 70 years old, Is it likely he will retire of be moved to Arts ?

    I sincerely hope not. He's a very able Minister. And comes across as being well able for the job.


  • #18
    Red Crow
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,139 ✭✭✭Red Crow


    Joan Burton shouldn't be allowed near the department if finance.


  • #19
    MadYaker
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,293 ✭✭✭✭MadYaker


    he's 70?? He doesn't look that old at all. Id say he's going nowhere.


  • #20
    Cody Pomeray
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,648 ✭✭✭Cody Pomeray


    Red Crow wrote: »
    Joan Burton shouldn't be allowed near the department if finance.
    Why would you say this, is it because you think she's incompetent as a minister or because you disagree with her ideology? (genuine question)

    Because if you think she's not competent, I'd tend to agree that she is not fit for that particularly portfolio.

    On the other hand, there is one obligation the cabinet uphold with an almost obsessive diligence, and that is collective responsibility. Joan Burton is a case in point. Cutting social assistance expenditure and public service expenditure is totally at variance with Labour's ideology, and yet these portfolios are held by Labour Ministers. They have seen off some really emotive, disruptive opposition and continue to make cuts to expenditure in spite of both Ministers facing the prospect of losing their seats, let alone the ramifications for the wider Labour Party.

    So when people fret at Labour Ministers getting into particular portfolios, like Finance, I really question whether that concern is at all justified. Collective responsibility is very much alive and well.


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