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No more fire-arms training for armed gardai....

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,159 ✭✭✭✭phasers


    Could the lads who are already trained not just train the new guys? Or like give them an xbox and a few hours on Halo?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,303 ✭✭✭Temptamperu


    The police are being hamstrung by budgets while the criminals rake in the money day in day out. Its a joke.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 328 ✭✭TommiesTank


    paddy147 wrote: »
    ....thanks to the budget cuts and lack of money.

    http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/gardai-firearms-training-cancelled-due-to-cutbacks-29584501.html


    So is Mr Shatter now putting lives at serious risk??

    He has a set budget, what should he do instead? Cut salaries? Chip in the money himself? Make a bunch of them redundant?


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 15,824 ✭✭✭✭paddy147


    He has a set budget, what should he do instead? Cut salaries? Chip in the money himself? Make a bunch of them redundant?


    Stop taking the pi55 and cutting back on vital things like this.

    Funny how Mr Sahtter had the fella who robbed his house up in court so fast and jailed up real quick too....:rolleyes:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,075 ✭✭✭✭28064212


    Oh FFS
    FIREARMS training for garda anti-terrorist officers

    One section of a department in the garda force had their arms training cut for the rest of this year. In case you hadn't noticed, there's less than 4 months left in the year

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 328 ✭✭TommiesTank


    paddy147 wrote: »
    Stop taking the pi55 and cutting back on vital things like this.

    Funny how Mr Sahtter had the fella who robbed his house up in court so fast and jailed up real quick too....:rolleyes:

    It's always back to the personal jibes. Anything more constructive to add?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 54,868 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    Maybe a few less junkets for St. Patrick's Day could have saved enough money to pay for the training and the cuts to SNA's.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 15,824 ✭✭✭✭paddy147


    28064212 wrote: »
    Oh FFS


    One section of a department in the garda force had their arms training cut for the rest of this year. In case you hadn't noticed, there's less than 4 months left in the year


    Ah sure thats grand so,who needs training then.............hope we dont have any more armed sieges or any more shootings where innocent people are set upon and killed.



    Sure it will be grand.......:pac:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 14,380 ✭✭✭✭Banjo String


    Talking of fire arms.

    I remember a poor lad spillin a bit of petrol over the sleeves of his jacket one night in a Topaz. Poor sod ended up trying to light a smoke about 5secs later, setting himself on flames.

    Next thing I know armed gards surrounded the place, guns drawn.

    Turns out the manager called 999 and reported an hysterical man in the forecourt with an armalite.


    Be gentle


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 15,824 ✭✭✭✭paddy147


    It's always back to the personal jibes. Anything more constructive to add?


    Personal jibe???



    Its the fcuking cold hard truth......incase you hadnt noticed.


    We cant have a justice minister being robbed and the thief left to roam the streets or wait for ages to go before the courts,no can we??:rolleyes:


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,396 ✭✭✭Frosty McSnowballs


    paddy147 wrote: »
    Stop taking the pi55 and cutting back on vital things like this.

    Funny how Mr Sahtter had the fella who robbed his house up in court so fast and jailed up real quick too....:rolleyes:

    The article suggest that the subsistence travel and overtime allowance budget has run out of the SDU's account.

    The usually fire on military ranges, so paying for the use of ranges should not be an issue.

    The solution is to abolish overtime and sub allowance.

    If they want to train people, they CAN train people. They just won't do it because they are not getting paid extra to do it.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,396 ✭✭✭Frosty McSnowballs


    paddy147 wrote: »
    Personal jibe???

    Its the fcuking cold hard truth......incase you hadnt noticed.

    We cant have a justice minister being robbed and the thief left to roam the streets or wait for ages to go before the courts,no can we??:rolleyes:

    What the hell are you talking about now? Derailing your own thread!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 328 ✭✭TommiesTank


    paddy147 wrote: »
    Personal jibe???



    Its the fcuking cold hard truth......incase you hadnt noticed.


    We cant have a justice minister being robbed and the thief left to roam the streets or wait for ages to go before the courts,no can we??:rolleyes:

    So are you saying Shatter was involved in it or not? Either way it is irrelevant.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 54,868 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    The article suggest that the subsistence travel and overtime allowance budget has run out of the SDU's account.

    The usually fire on military ranges, so paying for the use of ranges should not be an issue.

    The solution is to abolish overtime and sub allowance.

    If they want to train people, they CAN train people. They just won't do it because they are not getting paid extra to do it.

    That's a fair auld jump there.
    Have you any proof of that?
    I always said that if people are paid a fair wage i.e. enough for their needs then they should refuse to work overtime. I wonder if the garda refused to work overtime could the force function?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 328 ✭✭TommiesTank


    Usual scaremongering.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,050 ✭✭✭token101


    paddy147 wrote: »
    Ah sure thats grand so,who needs training then.............hope we dont have any more armed sieges or any more shootings where innocent people are set upon and killed.



    Sure it will be grand.......:pac:

    They are hardly going to forget every single thing they've learned in four months now are they? They only train four times a year anyway? So they've cut one session basically? What a non story!

    And ****ing hell, 're-sume'? Christ the Indo's cutting back too I'd say


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 328 ✭✭TommiesTank


    They'll be selling the guns to pay the mortgage or put food on the table next, right OP?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,396 ✭✭✭Frosty McSnowballs


    That's a fair auld jump there.
    Have you any proof of that?
    I always said that if people are paid a fair wage i.e. enough for their needs then they should refuse to work overtime. I wonder if the garda refused to work overtime could the force function?

    Yes, from the article itself....did you not read it?

    "But sources have revealed that the firearms training unit has no money to run any more courses."

    "It is understood garda management cut back on subsistence and overtime allowances paid to training specialists for travelling to military ranges around the country used by gardai for gun practice"

    The above quotes mean they have run out of money to pay officers EXTRA for travel sub and overtime allowance to instructors.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 15,824 ✭✭✭✭paddy147


    They'll be selling the guns to pay the mortgage or put food on the table next, right OP?


    or even crack open nuts.........who knows???




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 54,868 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    Yes, from the article itself....did you not read it?

    "But sources have revealed that the firearms training unit has no money to run any more courses."

    "It is understood garda management cut back on subsistence and overtime allowances paid to training specialists for travelling to military ranges around the country used by gardai for gun practice"

    The above quotes mean they have run out of money to pay officers EXTRA for travel sub and overtime allowance to instructors.

    And why ???
    Because the budget has been cut.
    It should not be cut as this type of training is very important.
    Very little cuts to ministers or politicians seemingly as they could spend so much keeping the Dail bar going until 5 a.m. not too long ago.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,396 ✭✭✭Frosty McSnowballs


    And why ???
    Because the budget has been cut.
    It should not be cut as this type of training is very important.
    Very little cuts to ministers or politicians seemingly as they could spend so much keeping the Dail bar going until 5 a.m. not too long ago.

    Yeah, yeah, yeah. Minister this Minister that. we can argue the comparisons all week long.

    The simple fact is. They can still go to the range and train but they won't go because they are not getting overtime allowance.

    If it is that important....then they would do it irrespective of overtime allowance.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,221 ✭✭✭NuckingFacker


    Point, squint, squeeze, bang. FFS, it's not that hard to shoot a gun. How much training do they need? They never get to use the bleedin things anyway.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,318 ✭✭✭✭Grandeeod


    token101 wrote: »
    They are hardly going to forget every single thing they've learned in four months now are they? They only train four times a year anyway? So they've cut one session basically? What a non story!

    And ****ing hell, 're-sume'? Christ the Indo's cutting back too I'd say

    Nah! The Indos just firing journos that cross the police line.:D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 328 ✭✭TommiesTank


    Yeah, yeah, yeah. Minister this Minister that. we can argue the comparisons all week long.

    The simple fact is. They can still go to the range and train but they won't go because they are not getting overtime allowance.

    If it is that important....then they would do it irrespective of overtime allowance.

    All the allowances are the real problem. The cost of the St Patrick's day trips and Dail bar are a fraction of the cost of these.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,057 ✭✭✭irish bloke


    There getting 2 weeks paint balling from what I heard last


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,015 ✭✭✭Paulzx


    Yes, from the article itself....did you not read it?


    The above quotes mean they have run out of money to pay officers EXTRA for travel sub and overtime allowance to instructors.


    Which is for EXTRA hours worked.............not just a random few quid given for nothing


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,724 ✭✭✭flutered


    paddy147 wrote: »
    Stop taking the pi55 and cutting back on vital things like this.

    Funny how Mr Sahtter had the fella who robbed his house up in court so fast and jailed up real quick too....:rolleyes:

    but would not let a gaurd use his bog when he was stuck.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,476 ✭✭✭Samba


    Chip in the money himself?

    That sounds like a great idea! Imagine every politician in Ireland surrendered 10% of their wages.

    I wonder how many vital services could be furnished with such savings.

    If they really gave a **** about this country and serving its people, they would have done just that a long time ago.

    Political reform? We've seen pseudo reform and very little else. It's high time the issue of unreasonable political pensions and wages was addressed, before any more cuts are introduced.

    Obviously some services will have to be cut back, but there has to balance.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,221 ✭✭✭NuckingFacker


    There getting 2 weeks paint balling from what I heard last
    due to cutbacks, they just get to point the paintball guns and go "bang" bang" - their ball allowance has been decimated. And there's no gas at all. It used to be all balls and gas, now it's car-pooling and no overtime. Starsky and Hutch would be turning in their graves.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,867 ✭✭✭✭BattleCorp


    Paulzx wrote: »
    Which is for EXTRA hours worked.............not just a random few quid given for nothing


    Why does it have to be extra hours worked? Why don't they go during their normal hours, then it wouldn't be extra money, would it?


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