2022 World Cup

Dempsey

Might as well create a superthread as this is going to rage on for the next 9 years! :pac:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/24114961

The 2022 World Cup in Qatar must switch to winter, according to Fifa's own medical chief.

Michel D'Hooghe, the chairman of the Fifa's medical committee, will advise that the risks posed to supporters by extreme heat are too great.

Ridiculous that their bid even got to the voting stage if thats the case. A Winter WC wont be accepted in Europe.

listermint

Dempsey wrote: »

Might as well create a superthread as this is going to rage on for the next 9 years! :pac:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/24114961




Ridiculous that their bid even got to the voting stage if thats the case. A Winter WC wont be accepted in Europe.

Overall, i cant see it going ahead. I see the bid going to someone else.

Fr Tod Umptious

It's time for someone in FIFA to have the balls to say enough is enough and go ahead and switch it to the US.
There are so many things wrong with the Qatar proposal it's laughable

Whether someone will or not is another thing, but the fact that a winter one is being talked about is positive in the sense that they are not blindly ignoring the fact and ploughing ahead with a summer one

Mint Sauce

listermint wrote: »

Overall, i cant see it going ahead. I see the bid going to someone else.

More to the point, sice when did FIFA care about the supporters?

Paul Tergat

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

It's time for someone in FIFA to have the balls to say enough is enough and go ahead and switch it to the US.

Why the US?

titan18

Really hope it doesn't move to Winter. It's a stupid idea, and will mess with the existing calendar far too much.

JPA

It will be changed to winter, too much mega rich people involved.

spank_inferno

Is it fair to assume that in years to come there will be investigations into the decision to award Quatar the WC.

Token resignations.... Payoffs intact.

I say this as there are no rational reasons why that country shoild get the award.
I spent a month there a couple of years ago.

They could host it.... I think they shouldnt.


Also.... The WC will go ahead as planned.
FIFA will not want to change their mind.... It will make them lose face.

listermint

JPA wrote: »

It will be changed to winter, too much mega rich people involved.

Its effecting too many of Europes Super Clubs, i dont see it happening.

JPA

listermint wrote: »

Its effecting too many of Europes Super Clubs, i dont see it happening.

It will happen, the club's have already agreed to discuss it, their stance is softening.

Paleface

JPA wrote: »

It will happen, the club's have already agreed to discuss it, their stance is softening.

Whats in it for the clubs? The only reason I can see them changing it is to give them a financial incentive.

Neil3030

If they move it somewhere else, FIFA will face the mother of all lawsuits, considering stadium/infrastructure building has already started in Qatar.

It'll be moved to the Winter, with likely a few private backhanders from FIFA to leagues, be they financial or favours.

JPA

Paleface wrote: »

Whats in it for the clubs? The only reason I can see them changing it is to give them a financial incentive.

They'll do what they're told. Sponsorship will be threatened etc

Dempsey

JPA wrote: »

They'll do what they're told. Sponsorship will be threatened etc

How will club sponsors be threatened?

Dr. Greenthumb

Neil3030 wrote: »

If they move it somewhere else, FIFA will face the mother of all lawsuits, considering stadium/infrastructure building has already started in Qatar.

It'll be moved to the Winter, with likely a few private backhanders from FIFA to leagues, be they financial or favours.

I don't think much has progressed in terms of actual work on the ground. They had done a lot of planning etc. but sacked the Architectural firm after spending millions in fees and got another company in to take up the reins.

The metro is going to kick off but that was always going to go ahead with or without the WC as their public transport system is non existent and needs to be developed if they want to be considered a business hub and attract outside investment.

They'd be able to claim damages but mostly for what they incurred since award. Anything before that would be the cost of developing their proposal is part of the bidding process.

Haven't heard much in the last 6 months but nothing about any stadium construction kicking off as of yet.

gnfnrhead

It won't move country. They won't want to back down on something that has gotten so much publicity.

Personally, I don't see a problem with having it in the winter. Loads of notice so leagues can start to adjust their calendars year by year.

BOHtox

Can't wait. Only about 3,500 days left!

Benimar

Paul Tergat wrote: »

Why the US?

Runners up in the 'vote'

JPA

Dempsey wrote: »

How will club sponsors be threatened?

Because many of the sponsors of the World cup and of clubs are the same. Sponsors and FIFA go hand in hand so they will be working together to make sure it is on.

Dempsey

JPA wrote: »

Because many of the sponsors of the World cup and of clubs are the same. Sponsors and FIFA go hand in hand so they will be working together to make sure it is on.

adidas/emirates would be the most common official WC partner than would also be involved with clubs. Clubs are the cash cows for them, not the other way around. Clubs will get sponsorship from elsewhere if they tried to force them to into a footballing decision they didnt want.

Richard Hillman

I think this could be the straw that breaks the camels back in regard to International football if they do try to proceed with it. There is not a hope in hell that the Premier League will allow the season to be suspended during the xmas/new year period.

In regard to lower league football, the FA are extremely precious about the football league. I would imagine the proposal would be for the EPL and Championship to suspend games and League 1/League 2 will go on. There is not a hope in hell the FA would allow something like that to happen. Sky couldnt even show El Classico to be shown last season as it was a 3pm kick off. If they did stop League 1/League 2 and Conference games, a lot of clubs would be in a perilous position in regard to paying the bills.

I would imagine the Scots, Northern Irish and Welsh would be very against the idea too. A winter WC would not be much of a bother to the FAI.

In the whole, I doubt the Scandinavian countries and a few Eastern European countries would be against moving it. The same with the South Americans and the USA. Although it would be very hard to get TV coverage if the WC goes ahead in December or January in America with the NFL play offs at that time. Unless the USA are doing well it would be a case of "who the hell cares".

All in all, it doesnt matter how a lot of the associations feel on it. If the EPL makes a full stance to say games will continue then the clubs will have to win. To have such a multi-national league like the EPL to say No, then the WC would be a farce. If Real Madrid/Barcelona say no then again it would be a farce.

The clubs will dictate on whether a WC will go ahead in Qatar or in the Winter and rightfully so.

I'd love if it was given to England tbh. Quality tournament on our doorstep.

Zebra3

Neil3030 wrote: »

If they move it somewhere else, FIFA will face the mother of all lawsuits, considering stadium/infrastructure building has already started in Qatar.

It'll be moved to the Winter, with likely a few private backhanders from FIFA to leagues, be they financial or favours.

If it's moved to winter, the losing bidders have already said they'll take legal action as the bidding process was geared towards a summer WC.

Fr Tod Umptious

Paul Tergat wrote: »

Why the US?

Everything I'd already in place to host it, stadiums, transport, media etc
So it's the perfect "short notice" host.

Skid X

Michel D'Hooghe, the chairman of the Fifa's medical committee, will advise that the risks posed to supporters by extreme heat are too great.

Why wasn't he asked his opinion before they made the highly dubious decision to give Qatar the World Cup (and to play it in their Summer in totally unsuitable temperatures?)

FatherTed

Richard Hillman wrote: »

I think this could be the straw that breaks the camels back in regard to International football if they do try to proceed with it. There is not a hope in hell that the Premier League will allow the season to be suspended during the xmas/new year period.

In regard to lower league football, the FA are extremely precious about the football league. I would imagine the proposal would be for the EPL and Championship to suspend games and League 1/League 2 will go on. There is not a hope in hell the FA would allow something like that to happen. Sky couldnt even show El Classico to be shown last season as it was a 3pm kick off. If they did stop League 1/League 2 and Conference games, a lot of clubs would be in a perilous position in regard to paying the bills.

I would imagine the Scots, Northern Irish and Welsh would be very against the idea too. A winter WC would not be much of a bother to the FAI.

In the whole, I doubt the Scandinavian countries and a few Eastern European countries would be against moving it. The same with the South Americans and the USA. Although it would be very hard to get TV coverage if the WC goes ahead in December or January in America with the NFL play offs at that time. Unless the USA are doing well it would be a case of "who the hell cares".

All in all, it doesnt matter how a lot of the associations feel on it. If the EPL makes a full stance to say games will continue then the clubs will have to win. To have such a multi-national league like the EPL to say No, then the WC would be a farce. If Real Madrid/Barcelona say no then again it would be a farce.

The clubs will dictate on whether a WC will go ahead in Qatar or in the Winter and rightfully so.

Fox bought the US rights for the 2018 and 2022 World Cups for $425 million and they are opposing any move to winter, precisely as you say they would clash with the NFL.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-09-16/fox-said-to-oppose-fifa-plan-to-reschedule-2022-soccer-world-cup.html

I am pie

The losing bids will sue, the media companies will sue, it will start to get sticky and the potential losses will force a venue move, then the Qataris will sue. The whole ME region will be severly pi3sed off as they will lose "their" WC.

Nothing good will come of this blatter balls up...except for some corrupt individuals bank accounts swelling hugely. FIFA are out of control and seemingly no one can reign them in, certainly not Platini and UEFA.

101001

Speaking of suing http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/24122625

Dempsey

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/24160879

Uefa's 54 member associations have given their backing to moving the Qatar World Cup in 2022 to winter after agreeing it cannot take place in summer.

jester77

Dempsey wrote: »

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/24160879

Uefa's 54 member associations have given their backing to moving the Qatar World Cup in 2022 to winter after agreeing it cannot take place in summer.

We could have a world cup final on Christmas Day :eek:

The best part about the World Cup is being out in the street and local beer gardens with fans from other countries, chilling in the sun and having some banter. That is not going to happen with a winter world cup, most people will probably stay at home instead of going out.

ArmaniJeanss

I am pie wrote: »

The losing bids will sue, the media companies will sue, it will start to get sticky and the potential losses will force a venue move, then the Qataris will sue. The whole ME region will be severly pi3sed off as they will lose "their" WC.

Losing bids won't sue as they have no realistic case despite uninformed hyperbolic headlines on SSN.
Media companies will be offered their money back, but most will agree to the new time slot as February is more of a primetime slot for revenue anyway than July so they will be getting a better deal.
If any don't want the new slot then rights bidding can be re-opened, no problem there.

Julez

It's just mind boggling!! And all to do with Money in the pockets of corrupt FIFA members.

titan18

Whilst playing it in summer there would be stupid, moving it to winter will mean leagues like Greece and Turkey will end up playing football in their summer which isn't ideal for them either. It really should be moved, playing it in winter isn't a good solution.

thebaz

as a neutral the bid should have gone to England - but Sepp Blatter is more anti English than the Irish used to be.

gnfnrhead

Dempsey wrote: »

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/24160879

Uefa's 54 member associations have given their backing to moving the Qatar World Cup in 2022 to winter after agreeing it cannot take place in summer.

That was a lot easier than I expected. Thought it would take longer to convince so many parties but it seems not. They need to decide when it is happening now so leagues can start planning changes over time. Do it bit by bit and most people won't even notice.

Dempsey

Yea, I'm very surprised that UEFA's members softened so easy considering the effect they said it would have on their fixtures for 3-4 years! There is an awful bang of corruption off this u-turn.

EdenHazard

fans need to boycott the clubs, but they won't because humans are sheep

Coillte_Bhoy

gnfnrhead wrote: »

It won't move country. They won't want to back down on something that has gotten so much publicity.

Personally, I don't see a problem with having it in the winter. Loads of notice so leagues can start to adjust their calendars year by year.

it is not going to be that simple though is it?

inforfun

I would rather have WC 2014 held in the winter, our winter.

Summer in Brazil makes much better shots of the spectators during matches i dont care about than they will in the Brazilian winter.

BMJD

will anyone really care about international soccer by then anyway?

Fr Tod Umptious

EdenHazard wrote: »

fans need to boycott the clubs, but they won't because humans are sheep

Not because they are sheep but because people like to go out and watch sports or enjoy it in other ways

At the end of the day how big a deal is a WC in winter going to be to me, you or anyone else who enjoys watching he game

inforfun

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

At the end of the day how big a deal is a WC in winter going to be to me, you or anyone else who enjoys watching he game

You... not much is suppose.
Me... dont care either because i rather watch at home by myself or with people whose opinion on football i value.

But... there is also this:


And that will be a whole lot harder to get with -10 in the winter in Holland.
This was the day of WC2010 final

And it was the same for the semis/quarter finals. I am prettu sure the pubs and the likes in Holland arent too happy with a WC in the winter.

JPA

Dempsey wrote: »

Yea, I'm very surprised that UEFA's members softened so easy considering the effect they said it would have on their fixtures for 3-4 years! There is an awful bang of corruption off this u-turn.

The whole thing is corrupt since day one, don't be surprised.

Fr Tod Umptious

inforfun wrote: »

You... not much is suppose.
Me... dont care either because i rather watch at home by myself or with people whose opinion on football i value.

But... there is also this:


And that will be a whole lot harder to get with -10 in the winter in Holland.
This was the day of WC2010 final

And it was the same for the semis/quarter finals. I am prettu sure the pubs and the likes in Holland arent too happy with a WC in the winter.

I'm sure some bright spark will come up with a way of doing it indoors and still manage to sell plenty of booze

I am pie

I don't care whether it is Winter or Summer , 50 degrees or minus 50. Qatar should not have that world cup.

Australia should have got it. If not, England.

Both have track records for holding recent Olympics with great success.

Qatar has previous experience in hosting....hmm..errr.

Fan experience has to count for something, even if it winter, can people drink alcohol if they want? Can they sing and cheer in the streets, can there be a carnival atmosphere we associate with the world cup. I think it will be a disaster.

DaveyCakes

thebaz wrote: »

as a neutral the bid should have gone to England - but Sepp Blatter is more anti English than the Irish used to be.

I am pie wrote: »

I don't care whether it is Winter or Summer , 50 degrees or minus 50. Qatar should not have that world cup.

Australia should have got it. If not, England.

England didn't bid for 2022

JohnFalstaff

The construction workers building the stadia for 2022 are already suffering from the conditions in Qatar. 32 dead in July alone:

http://dohanews.co/post/58898402174/official-qatar-sees-record-number-of-nepalese-deaths

Skid X

JohnFalstaff wrote: »

The construction workers building the stadia for 2022 are already suffering from the conditions in Qatar. 32 dead in July alone:

http://dohanews.co/post/58898402174/official-qatar-sees-record-number-of-nepalese-deaths

That's unreal. Horrible to see so many healthy people dying because they are working in torrid conditions.

LuckyLloyd

Richard Hillman wrote: »

I think this could be the straw that breaks the camels back in regard to International football if they do try to proceed with it. There is not a hope in hell that the Premier League will allow the season to be suspended during the xmas/new year period.

In regard to lower league football, the FA are extremely precious about the football league. I would imagine the proposal would be for the EPL and Championship to suspend games and League 1/League 2 will go on. There is not a hope in hell the FA would allow something like that to happen. Sky couldnt even show El Classico to be shown last season as it was a 3pm kick off. If they did stop League 1/League 2 and Conference games, a lot of clubs would be in a perilous position in regard to paying the bills.

I would imagine the Scots, Northern Irish and Welsh would be very against the idea too. A winter WC would not be much of a bother to the FAI.

In the whole, I doubt the Scandinavian countries and a few Eastern European countries would be against moving it. The same with the South Americans and the USA. Although it would be very hard to get TV coverage if the WC goes ahead in December or January in America with the NFL play offs at that time. Unless the USA are doing well it would be a case of "who the hell cares".

All in all, it doesnt matter how a lot of the associations feel on it. If the EPL makes a full stance to say games will continue then the clubs will have to win. To have such a multi-national league like the EPL to say No, then the WC would be a farce. If Real Madrid/Barcelona say no then again it would be a farce.

The clubs will dictate on whether a WC will go ahead in Qatar or in the Winter and rightfully so.

Hi Richard, the FA or the EPL are small dogs at the decision making table on this one. They can do or say what they like and be as put out about it as they want to be - but if FIFA and UEFA say it's being held during the Winter and players are to be released accordingly then that is exactly what will happen.