To replace engine or not?

nino1

I have a ford focus '01 1.4 liter petrol.
I engine had no oil and I now need to replace the engine.

Anyone have any idea of the cost of a new engine?

Also if it has a new engine does that mean that my car becomes very reliable again (as i assume the engine is the thing that detioriates the most) or will the car still suffer from the problems of being a 13 year old car?

Trying to decide if its worth replacing or not.
Really can't afford a new car at the moment.

Any advise would be much appreciated.

biko

So you were told by a mechanic that the engine had seized because of no oil, is that right?
Check with www.traynors.co.uk and local breakers for an engine, you will need some sort of warranty on the new engine by whoever sells it to you.
Also check on www.adverts.ie and donedeal if someone is breaking a Focus.

nino1

biko wrote: »

So you were told by a mechanic that the engine had seized because of no oil, is that right?
Check with www.traynors.co.uk and local breakers for an engine, you will need some sort of warranty on the new engine by whoever sells it to you.
Also check on www.adverts.ie and donedeal if someone is breaking a Focus.

Thanks a mil for that.
Rookie question here!
Are most cars being broken or that are in a breakers yard not in there because of the engines being bust?
Is it possible to get a good engine there?

What kind of things would I be looking for to make sure its a decent engine?

biko

Breakers will have rear-ended cars too so the engine can be in good condition even if car is wrecked.
Tbh, you need either someone who gives you warranty on the engine you buy or preferably talk to a few garages and see if they can source it for you and install it for a bundled price.

Since this job doesn't seem to be a DIY deal I'll move this thread out to main motors forum.

purplecow1977

Replaced engine in my car last year due to my car running out of oil. Bought a new one&labour = almost €3,000. You can get 2nd hand ones or reconditioned ones, but there weren't easy to come by for mine and I was alreayd without my car for over 2 weeks at the time so just opted for the new one.

martinr5232

nino1 wrote: »

I have a ford focus '01 1.4 liter petrol.
I engine had no oil and I now need to replace the engine.

Anyone have any idea of the cost of a new engine?

Also if it has a new engine does that mean that my car becomes very reliable again (as i assume the engine is the thing that detioriates the most) or will the car still suffer from the problems of being a 13 year old car?

Trying to decide if its worth replacing or not.
Really can't afford a new car at the moment.

Any advise would be much appreciated.

Its gonna cost you over a grand to replace an engine properly between timing belts servicing supply and fit.

Then how good is your clutch while its out that could be another two fifty or so.

Whats the rest of the car like rear suspension gives trouble front wishbones wear.

Is there an NCT on it ??

Up and running if its a good nice clean car its only worth between fifteen hundred and two grand.

George Dalton

These engines don't usually give much trouble unless they are neglected.

So the fact that the engine died from lack of oil would suggest a lack of proper maintenance on the car generally.

This being the case I would be wary of what other bills the car could have in store for you. Best to get a thorough inspection done on the rest of the car before committing to spending the majority of the value of the car replacing the engine.

discombobulate

I'd presume you'd buy a similar second hand focus of that year for the same price if not cheaper than even getting a second hand engine and labour

dodderangler

discombobulate wrote: »

I'd presume you'd buy a similar second hand focus of that year for the same price if not cheaper than even getting a second hand engine and labour

Yes I agree. 01 -03 focus and even up to 05s go fairly cheap anyway.
Wouldn't bother withte engine yet
Have a quick search on donedeal or car one for a focus of a newer year an you may get a decent one for cheap ish

dr.fuzzenstein

discombobulate wrote: »

I'd presume you'd buy a similar second hand focus of that year for the same price if not cheaper than even getting a
second hand engine and labour

And he might get a few quid for the Focus with wrecked engine, making it even cheaper.
OP, unless you can get a very cheap engine (which won't be reliable and have no warranty) and you can fit it yourself for next to no cost, it's not worth it.
See if you can get a few quid for you car and get another one, you;ll be much better off.

discombobulate

Cost you around a grand or less for similar with an NCT from a quick search on Done Deal

nino1

Thanks for all the replys guys.
I got a mechanic who will source an engine for me a fit it including new timing belt and water pump for €650.
I am very tempted at that price as money is very tight at the moment.
I hope its not a false economy

biko

650 fitted with TB and pump sounds good, very good in fact.
Just get a written warranty for a year or so for engine and parts.

discombobulate

nino1 wrote: »

Thanks for all the replys guys.
I got a mechanic who will source an engine for me a fit it including new timing belt and water pump for €650.
I am very tempted at that price as money is very tight at the moment.
I hope its not a false economy

Will you get any kind of warranty / guarantee with the engine from him?

dr.fuzzenstein

I doubt at this price the engine will have a warranty and would be an unknown quantity, but so would a second hand car.

martinr5232

You know what they say about when things sound too good to be true.....

I really cant see how that job could be done right for that money

dr.fuzzenstein

martinr5232 wrote: »

You know what they say about when things sound too good to be true.....

I really cant see how that job could be done right for that money

We'd have to know more about the engine and the mechanic, impossible to call without all the facts.

martinr5232

dr.fuzzenstein wrote: »

We'd have to know more about the engine and the mechanic, impossible to call without all the facts.

Not really timing belt kit and water pump about € 150.00
Oil and filter € 50.00 coolant € 20.00 second hand engine id say minimum € 300.00 so when you add it all up thats very little for labour i dont know many lads that would do a job like that for€ 130.00.

Maybe they are doing it for that but i cant see it i could be wrong but it sounds too cheap

galwaytt

nino1 wrote: »

Thanks for all the replys guys.
I got a mechanic who will source an engine for me a fit it including new timing belt and water pump for €650.
I am very tempted at that price as money is very tight at the moment.
I hope its not a false economy

False economy? Not checking or putting in a fivers/tenners worth of oil would have been a lot cheaper. ..

dr.fuzzenstein

galwaytt wrote: »

False economy? Not checking or putting in a fivers/tenners worth of oil would have been a lot cheaper. ..

You are right, but that horse has bolted a long time ago...
A little late for could haves Marge...

aisr1ofk43dpy5

biko wrote: »

650 fitted with TB and pump sounds good, very good in fact.
Just get a written warranty for a year or so for engine and parts.

Are you serious :-)

biko

For an engine with that price he better get some sort of warranty. Maybe a year is too much but something is better than nothing.
Did you have a suggestion yourself?

unkel

Scrap it for €200. Buy another one with long NCT for about €1k and it will cost you €800 net. A better investment than replacing the engine for €650 (and as others said, I don't know how it could be done that cheaply)

biko

Yeah I'd love to hear about what the garage said about an offer that cheap.
Do keep us updated OP

aisr1ofk43dpy5

biko wrote: »

For an engine with that price he better get some sort of warranty. Maybe a year is too much but something is better than nothing.
Did you have a suggestion yourself?

You think someone is going to supply and fit an engine for that money and then give a years warranty as well good luck with that.
Like others have said he'd be better off getting another car and get whatever few quid he can for that one.

dr.fuzzenstein

biko wrote: »

For an engine with that price he better get some sort of warranty. Maybe a year is too much but something is better than nothing.
Did you have a suggestion yourself?

I would expect a warranty with a new/recon engine, fitted by a main dealer or a qualified independent or specialised garage. That would only be reasonable.
For the price the OP got quoted the engine was probably purchased through Trotters Independent Traders and most likely gotten from a scrapped car in a ditch.
How would you expect a warranty? If you buy an engine at the scrappy, would you expect one?

biko

Not if I source it myself from a scrappy, then it's all up to me.
But for an old engine sourced through a mechanic I'd want some reassurance (although a year is stretching it).
650 is an amazing price for all that (tb and pump too) and I'd love to hear the details of the deal.
These guys sells warranty second hand engines but for 2700 so how OP can get it for 650 is quite interesting.

darragh o meara

[quote="martinr5232;86583451"really timing belt kit and water pump about € 150.00
Oil and filter € 50.00 coolant € 20.00 second hand engine id say minimum € 300.00 so when you add it all up thats very little for labour i dont know many lads that would do a job like that for€ 130.00.

Maybe they are doing it for that but i cant see it i could be wrong but it sounds too cheap[/quote]

I've done a few focus engine replacements and they're not too bad. 130 is probably a bit cheap alright but he probably already owns the engine so he's making a few quid on that too plus using spurious timing belt etc would be a bit cheaper and less hassle to do with the engine on the ground.

Last time I done one it took about 3 hrs. There ain't many jobs paying 43 quid an hour

George Dalton

darragh o meara wrote: »

Last time I done one it took about 3 hrs. There ain't many jobs paying 43 quid an hour

3 hours from the time you picked up the key and walked out to the car to the time you parked it outside and rang the customer to say it was done?

Fair play to you if that is the case.

martinr5232

darragh o meara wrote: »

I've done a few focus engine replacements and they're not too bad. 130 is probably a bit cheap alright but he probably already owns the engine so he's making a few quid on that too plus using spurious timing belt etc would be a bit cheaper and less hassle to do with the engine on the ground.

Last time I done one it took about 3 hrs. There ain't many jobs paying 43 quid an hour

Ford warranty time to remove and replace an engine is 4.8 hours that doesnt include swapping bits or replacing timing belt and water pump.

Your some man that can do that job in three hours im over twenty years at them and i wouldnt do it in that time.