pneumonia in weanlings after housing

jfh

Hi lads,
we had a lot of cases last year after housing.

we're thinking of vaccinating against pneumonia. never done this before.

advised to use Rispoval intranasally,

is this a good job,
any idea of cost per animal

is there anything else we need to look out for?

thanks

ellewood

jfh wrote: »

Hi lads,
we had a lot of cases last year after housing.

we're thinking of vaccinating against pneumonia. never done this before.

advised to use Rispoval intranasally,

is this a good job,
any idea of cost per animal

is there anything else we need to look out for?

thanks

Id use boviplast if it were me, unless you want cover straight away, as the boviplast covers pasturella pneumonia as well.
I think about E7 head
Are they fully dosed?

reilig

Also review your shed ventilation. We have open sheds and have never had an animal with pnumonia in them. Have a relation with a closed shed and he is plagued by it. Animals don't need to be kept warm - just relatively dry!!

Dampintheattic

jfh wrote: »

Hi lads,
we had a lot of cases last year after housing.

we're thinking of vaccinating against pneumonia. never done this before.

advised to use Rispoval intranasally,

is this a good job,
any idea of cost per animal

is there anything else we need to look out for?

thanks

Last year was an exception though. I seemed to have calves coughing from July right through to weaning and afterwards. Well dosed. Used mixture of Noromectin and a white dose.
ALL, calves got pneumonia after housing:( Open shed. Plenty of ventilation.
Straw lie back just to ease them into life without the cow.
Never, once before that had an animal with pneumonia. All coughing so bad one night, I was really expecting some of them might hook it:o
Anyway, CTC powder they all recovered.

bbam

Dampintheattic wrote: »

Last year was an exception though. I seemed to have calves coughing from July right through to weaning and afterwards. Well dosed. Used mixture of Noromectin and a white dose.
ALL, calves got pneumonia after housing:( Open shed. Plenty of ventilation.
Straw lie back just to ease them into life without the cow.
Never, once before that had an animal with pneumonia. All coughing so bad one night, I was really expecting some of them might hook it:o
Anyway, CTC powder they all recovered.

Were they weaned long before housing ??

Dampintheattic

bbam wrote: »

Were they weaned long before housing ??

About six weeks. Had been on the best grass I had at the time, bit of hay and concentrates.

grazeaway

reilig wrote: »

Also review your shed ventilation. We have open sheds and have never had an animal with pnumonia in them. Have a relation with a closed shed and he is plagued by it. Animals don't need to be kept warm - just relatively dry!!

was just abuot to say the same. we wean them in an open slatted shed with acess to a cubicle house for extra room. cut out extra sections in teh side sheeting to aid ventilation as the weanling would be inside earlier then the cows and the weatehr would be much warmer too. a high vent is very important to allow the warm stale air to go out and draw in fresh air.

pakalasa

You could try weaning and housing then in stages aswell. At least that way, you would be confining any outbreak to smaller numbers.

bob charles

jfh wrote: »

Hi lads,
we had a lot of cases last year after housing.

we're thinking of vaccinating against pneumonia. never done this before.

advised to use Rispoval intranasally,

is this a good job,
any idea of cost per animal

is there anything else we need to look out for?

thanks

First off give them a shot for IBR (Bovillis live marker) as i find that IBR is the real baddy and costs something around €3.

If you want to cover the other strains it costs allot more dosh. Boviplast is the daddy if you want full protection but this is a two shot programme cost around €6 per shot so €15. Alternatively you can use rispoval 3 again around the same price and we are getting away on a one shot program for finishing animals. Rispoval Intranasal is a super vaccine but its a serious amount of work to administar. Costs under a €5. Its a one shot program covering animals for 12 weeks if I remember correctly and it has the earliest onset of immunity.

Vaccines are dear but you recoup the value on animal thrive alone before ever thinking about losses of animals. Nowadays (after a sleepy incident on my own behalf) we are vaccinating everything all year round for IBR and using Rispoval 3 on the cattle going indoors for short keep (4 months) and boviplast on weanlings that we are keeping for a long time or reared ourselves. The earlier you vaccinate the cheaper your programme is as the animals are covered more days IYKWIM

jfh

ellewood wrote: »

Id use boviplast if it were me, unless you want cover straight away, as the boviplast covers pasturella pneumonia as well.
I think about E7 head
Are they fully dosed?

we dosed with levafas diamond about a month ago. new to this.
havn't heard of boviplast

jfh

reilig wrote: »

Also review your shed ventilation. We have open sheds and have never had an animal with pnumonia in them. Have a relation with a closed shed and he is plagued by it. Animals don't need to be kept warm - just relatively dry!!

there in a slatted house, no mats alright but we have good ventilation, spaces in sheets etc

jfh

pakalasa wrote: »

You could try weaning and housing then in stages aswell. At least that way, you would be confining any outbreak to smaller numbers.

yes that makes sense. funny the things that makes sense aren't the first choice.

Dampintheattic

jfh wrote: »

we dosed with levafas diamond about a month ago. new to this.
havn't heard of boviplast

Why Levafas Diamond? That's for rumen fluke. Surely not this year! Surely not in young suckler stock in any case!

It's very, very severe on animals. I wouldn't be surprised if the stress caused by it, brought on pneumonia in some cases.

jfh

bob charles wrote: »

First off give them a shot for IBR (Bovillis live marker) as i find that IBR is the real baddy and costs something around €3.

If you want to cover the other strains it costs allot more dosh. Boviplast is the daddy if you want full protection but this is a two shot programme cost around €6 per shot so €15. Alternatively you can use rispoval 3 again around the same price and we are getting away on a one shot program for finishing animals. Rispoval Intranasal is a super vaccine but its a serious amount of work to administar. Costs under a €5. Its a one shot program covering animals for 12 weeks if I remember correctly and it has the earliest onset of immunity.

Vaccines are dear but you recoup the value on animal thrive alone before ever thinking about losses of animals. Nowadays (after a sleepy incident on my own behalf) we are vaccinating everything all year round for IBR and using Rispoval 3 on the cattle going indoors for short keep (4 months) and boviplast on weanlings that we are keeping for a long time or reared ourselves. The earlier you vaccinate the cheaper your programme is as the animals are covered more days IYKWIM

cheers Bob, very informative & concise.

jfh

Dampintheattic wrote: »

Why Levafas Diamond? That's for rumen fluke. Surely not this year! Surely not in young suckler stock in any case!

It's very, very severe on animals. I wouldn't be surprised if the stress caused by it, brought on pneumonia in some cases.

kinda glad i stated this now, i've nothing to do with the choice of dosing, i just to what i'm told, not looking for a cop out here.
the father gets advise of a guy in the Co-op, not ideal but he trusts him to be his dosing advisor. he's usually right, i think..
must let him know this, thanks for the tip

PatQfarmer

jfh wrote: »

Hi lads,
we had a lot of cases last year after housing.

we're thinking of vaccinating against pneumonia. never done this before.

advised to use Rispoval intranasally,

is this a good job,
any idea of cost per animal

is there anything else we need to look out for?

thanks

As calves (bucket-reared), we always do IBR (Rispoval) and pneumonia viruses (Bovipast). Both are 2-course programmes, total cost €25/hd. Having had a viral pneumonia outbreak a few years ago prior to starting this, I would always vaccinate now. Any calf can get a chill, but at least if vaccinated, it rarely gets worse. Last winter, rearing 50+ calves, only used one shot of Nuflor, no other antibiotics.
Yearlings get a booster about a month before housing(done last weekend) and this keeps them thriving without setbacks.
Well worth the spend, imo.