question about raid

downonthefarm

was having conversation wit a friend today,she told me her house was raided last week.
luckily she is a clean living women,and nearly died of the fright.she is wondering now that since they didnt find anything will they come back again?i hope to be able to give her some kind of answer,hopefully this is a good place to start.also could it just be someone with a grudge against her

kravmaga

AGS must have a valid warrant to enter a premises, usually if a person is arrested and held in custody for an alleged offence, their home address could be subject of a search.

Does your friend live with anyone else?

What exactly were they searching for?

There must be more to this than your friend is telling you.

AGS dont do raids fo no reason.

Why doesnt she talk with the station they are based in to find out more.

If totally innocent get a solicitor or make a complaint to the Garda Ombudsman.

Santa Cruz

To get a search warrant the Gardaí must have reasonable suspicion and satisfy the Judge. Why not go to the Gardaí and find out what was the search about.
Was it a drug search, IRA related, search for stolen property, child pornography or were they looking for someone that is wanted?
Until it is sorted there is every likelihood they will be back sometime.

downonthefarm

hi sorry for the delay and thank you for the replies. they were searching the house for weed.I know the nether of them smoke. the son seems to think it was a bit half arsed because they weren't very thorough in their search. the sob told me during the summer they found a big amount of it not far from his house.the next day he had a car accident in which the guards were called and one of them took his name address ect.surely the two wouldn't be connected?

John Mason

could be mistaken identity, it happens. when myself and my husband was dating his apartment was raid by armed guards looking for cocaine.

obviously they found nothing, we wont mix in those circles but a couple of weeks later another apartment in the complex was raided and there was a large cocaine find

source

To answer your question op, a drugs warrant allows AGS to search a premises any time or times within one month of the date of issue.

So yes they can return for a follow up search, but more than likely won't.

camphor

kravmaga wrote: »

AGS dont do raids for no reason.

Why doesnt she talk with the station they are based in to find out more.

If totally innocent get a solicitor or make a complaint to the Garda Ombudsman.

Do you seriously think that AGS are going to tell anyone what they suspect about them? They don't tell the judge very much when they apply for the warrant other than they have reason to believe that there may be something at the address.

Even if totally innocent what good is a complaint going to do?

AGS have a duty to investigate crime. That means occasionally innocent people are going to be looked at. There are lots of ways suspicion can fall on innocent people. A mistake in a note of an address, an informer giving a wrong addrewss etc can all lead to raids on innocent people.

downonthefarm

in fairness the lad is a bit of a free spirit. the long hair and earings ect.so maybe they put two and two together and got 5?they couldn't be that stupid could they ?

kravmaga

camphor wrote: »

Do you seriously think that AGS are going to tell anyone what they suspect about them? They don't tell the judge very much when they apply for the warrant other than they have reason to believe that there may be something at the address.

Even if totally innocent what good is a complaint going to do?

AGS have a duty to investigate crime. That means occasionally innocent people are going to be looked at. There are lots of ways suspicion can fall on innocent people. A mistake in a note of an address, an informer giving a wrong addrewss etc can all lead to raids on innocent people.

Thanks for the feedback or was that a lecture:D
Im not going to play your game. Go play with somone else:D

Corkbah

downonthefarm wrote: »

in fairness the lad is a bit of a free spirit. the long hair and earings ect.so maybe they put two and two together and got 5?they couldn't be that stupid could they ?

it could be something as simple as a friend of the lad might be "known" to gardai and maybe the gardai were fed "misinformation" or they were fed actual intelligence and the lad may have been lucky that he didn't hide the stuff in the "usual" home locations.

there's a lot of possible combinations and permutations.

but ...one thing is for sure - there is some link somewhere ..... Gardai don't perform raids unless they consider information received to be fairly solid - it takes a decent amount of resources.

Robbo

Why can I only think of the Springfield Police kicking in Reverend Lovejoy's door looking for a cattle rustler?

cobhguy28

camphor wrote: »

Do you seriously think that AGS are going to tell anyone what they suspect about them? They don't tell the judge very much when they apply for the warrant other than they have reason to believe that there may be something at the address.

Even if totally innocent what good is a complaint going to do?

AGS have a duty to investigate crime. That means occasionally innocent people are going to be looked at. There are lots of ways suspicion can fall on innocent people. A mistake in a note of an address, an informer giving a wrong addrewss etc can all lead to raids on innocent people.

When a Garda applys for a warrant this must tell the Judge what their suspicion is and it is up to the Judge then weather that suspicion is reasonable and if a warrant is to be issued.

uncle_mick

kravmaga wrote: »

AGS must have a valid warrant to enter a premises, usually if a person is arrested and held in custody for an alleged offence, their home address could be subject of a search.

Does your friend live with anyone else?

What exactly were they searching for?

There must be more to this than your friend is telling you.

AGS dont do raids fo no reason.

Why doesnt she talk with the station they are based in to find out more.

If totally innocent get a solicitor or make a complaint to the Garda Ombudsman.

I had my house searched once , someone made a false allegation against me , this person also happened to have connections high up in AGS , search warrants are not that hard to get hold of , reasons are often spurious

uncle_mick

cobhguy28 wrote: »

When a Garda applys for a warrant this must tell the Judge what their suspicion is and it is up to the Judge then weather that suspicion is reasonable and if a warrant is to be issued.

the judge may be a bit of a header , well known judge along the border who hands them out like confetti

downonthefarm

yeah from what i can make of the situation a young guard new to the ds jumped the gun and tried to be a hero.hope he gets chewed out by his superiors for wasting time and resources.

uncle_mick

downonthefarm wrote: »

yeah from what i can make of the situation a young guard new to the ds jumped the gun and tried to be a hero.hope he gets chewed out by his superiors for wasting time and resources.

wouldn't hold my breath , being a pain with decent people is a must in order to rack up enough summons,s which are part and parcel of improving ones chances of promotion in AGS

a relatively high ranking officer in AGS may never have solved any serious crime of note , they just played the political game well , btw , I heard this from an actual retired guard and I speak as someone who had two uncles in AGS

Santa Cruz

uncle_mick wrote: »

wouldn't hold my breath , being a pain with decent people is a must in order to rack up enough summons,s which are part and parcel of improving ones chances of promotion in AGS

a relatively high ranking officer in AGS may never have solved any serious crime of note , they just played the political game well , btw , I heard this from an actual retired guard and I speak as someone who had two uncles in AGS

Usual stereotypes not worth considering as an accurate reflection of their job

BillyMitchel

Raids are scary things! I was 17/18 and one afternoon I was at home watching TV and the bell went. I went to open it and there were about 10 from the Crumlin drug squad. Asked for me and then stormed the whole house and wrecked all upstairs. Looking for weed. I'd of rarely smoked never mind sell the thing. Still wonder to this day we wonder why and how it could of happened. They were pretty heavy handed and downright rude to both me and my parents.

Found nothing, walked out and left the place in bits. Never heard anything about it again.

downonthefarm

BillyMitchel wrote: »

Raids are scary things! I was 17/18 and one afternoon I was at home watching TV and the bell went. I went to open it and there were about 10 from the Crumlin drug squad. Asked for me and then stormed the whole house and wrecked all upstairs. Looking for weed. I'd of rarely smoked never mind sell the thing. Still wonder to this day we wonder why and how it could of happened. They were pretty heavy handed and downright rude to both me and my parents.

Found nothing, walked out and left the place in bits. Never heard anything about it again.

the ****,your poor parents must have been beside themselves with worry.where you parro for ages that they would be back?

Fred Swanson

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Santa Cruz

Fred Swanson wrote: »

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"I'd of rarely smoked "

An admission that he has smoked marijuana, illegal under the Drugs Laws. Enough to justify a warrant. Forget about your damages

BillyMitchel

downonthefarm wrote: »

the ****,your poor parents must have been beside themselves with worry.where you parro for ages that they would be back?

No not at all because I knew I wasn't doing anything and my parents believed me so there was nothing to be paranoid about.

BillyMitchel

Santa Cruz wrote: »

"I'd of rarely smoked "

An admission that he has smoked marijuana, illegal under the Drugs Laws. Enough to justify a warrant. Forget about your damages

Sorry but because I said I've smoked previously is hardly a reason for the Crumlin drug squad to kick my door in.

Mike 1972

BillyMitchel wrote: »

Sorry but because I said I've smoked previously is hardly a reason for the Crumlin drug squad to kick my door in.

Id agree with you if thats what they done but according to your previous post they rang the bell and the door was opened ?

What happens if a door is put in and nothing is found. Are they responsible for ensuring the premises is secured until the occupants return and are they liable for damage/mess caused ?

Fred Swanson

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BillyMitchel

Well rang the bell and them stormed in aggressively!! That's not really the issue I had with the whole situation TBH.

As its been said already that it's not too easy to get a warrant so I'd live to know what information they went on and where they got it.

Long long time ago now so I'd say it will be one of life's many unanswered questions!

Santa Cruz

BillyMitchel wrote: »

Sorry but because I said I've smoked previously is hardly a reason for the Crumlin drug squad to kick my door in.

Did they pick your name out of a hat?

BillyMitchel

Santa Cruz wrote: »

Did they pick your name out of a hat?

No idea but they sure as hell weren't doing their job properly now were they?

unattendedbag

You are entitled to a copy of the warrant and information from the issuing court.

BillyMitchel

unattendedbag wrote: »

You are entitled to a copy of the warrant and information from the issuing court.

Even after so many years later? Would they still have that information?

Fred Swanson

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Cody Pomeray

Fred Swanson wrote: »

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A judge acting bone fide within his jurisdiction is immune from suit.

Warrants can originate from other sources, but similar immunity applies.

mr bungle.

AFAIK if the AGS smash up your front door and find nothing they pay the cost of it,but if they do find something its up to the occupants to fix the damage,they were five seconds away from putting a sledge hammer in my door when i opened it,they were looking for scum bags next door!!

downonthefarm

unattendedbag wrote: »

You are entitled to a copy of the warrant and information from the issuing court.

how would one go about doing this?

Cody Pomeray

downonthefarm wrote: »

how would one go about doing this?

Approach the Guards. Should have been a copy available at the time.
How recent was it?

downonthefarm

Cody Pomeray wrote: »

Approach the Guards. Should have been a copy available at the time.
How recent was it?

it was last monday,should they call to the local station?

Cody Pomeray

downonthefarm wrote: »

it was last monday,should they call to the local station?

Absolutely, in my opinion. I wouldn't let anyone search my home without being fully aware why they were there, and what their suspicion was based on. Disregarding some previous, nonsense posts, that is the very minimum a person is entitled to.

Mike 1972

How common in practice would a raid on suspicion of mere posession with no intent to supply be when no other unlawful activity is suspected ?

Surely theyve got bigger fish to fry ?

steve_wonder

Mike 1972 wrote: »

How common in practice would a raid on suspicion of mere posession with no intent to supply be when no other unlawful activity is suspected ?

Surely theyve got bigger fish to fry ?

my house was searched off the back of an accusation that I owned an illegal weapon and im not referring to an illegally held shotgun , this kind of equipment isn't for sale in this jurisdiction , ive never seen one myself in the flesh

reasons may often be spurious


as for the person who asked if a complaint could be made against the judge who authorised the search , more chance of my dog flying solo across the irish sea

Fred Swanson

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