Garcia V Matthysse

Johner

Think this deserves its own thread.

I'm going against popular opinion here and going for Garcia on points! Matthysse is obviously very very dangerous but Garcia has a good chin and I actually fancy him to win! Anyway whatever happens it will be a cracking fight worthy of PPV status itself!

Matthysse by KO will be a popular opinion among boardsies I'm guessing?

djhaxman

Johner wrote: »

Think this deserves its own thread.

I'm going against popular opinion here and going for Garcia on points! Matthysse is obviously very very dangerous but Garcia has a good chin and I actually fancy him to win! Anyway whatever happens it will be a cracking fight worthy of PPV status itself!

Matthysse by KO will be a popular opinion among boardsies I'm guessing?

I think he'll need two chins!

Looking forward to this more than the main fight tbh.

JacksonHeightsOwn

i expect Garcia to knock Matthysse out.

everyone is going mad because Matthysse sparked Peterson. Dont get me wrong, that was impressive, i just dont think he's as good as Garcia. Simple as that really.

Should be an excellent fight though

Henno30

chrisbonnie wrote: »

i expect Garcia to knock Matthysse out.

everyone is going mad because Matthysse sparked Peterson. Dont get me wrong, that was impressive, i just dont think he's as good as Garcia. Simple as that really.

Should be an excellent fight though

Lucas is going to knock his head off.

Johner

Henno30 wrote: »

Lucas is going to knock his head off.

Why didn't he knock Judah and Alexanders head off? Knocked them down alright!

Henno30

Johner wrote: »

Why didn't he knock Judah and Alexanders head off? Knocked them down alright!

Judah and Alexander can box at range and off the back foot. Danny Garcia lives and dies in the pocket, and die he will if he stays in range against Matthysse.

prettyboy81

Lucas to get the job done inside 5 rounds!

walshb

I am not all that confident with Danny's chin. I think he may be an underrated boxer, and could win on points, but if Judah can hurt him and wobble him, then Lucas can destroy him. Any result by an means won't surprise me here. I will lean slightly towards Lucas.

djhaxman

Right, here we go!

Johner

Kirby

Well called.

To be honest I didn't dare go near this one. Too many variables. It was great to watch though!

Johner

I was very impressed with Garcia last night, for the first few rounds he didn't get involved and used his boxing to keep Lucas at bay, after the cut then Garcia stepped it up and took control again with his superior boxing. It was a brilliant performance I thought and he will always be involved in exiting fights. I think Garcia is the real deal. He had a good gameplan last night and it worked well. Lucas is still a fighter to be feared but again if you can weather an early storm against him (not many can though !) then he be can be outboxed.

gene_tunney

Garcia was great. I had money on him to win by KO at 11/2 but unfortunately he didn't push for the KO. Thought I was in the money when he floored Matthyse in round 11.

Matthyse's eye made little difference. He was disheartened by Garcia's excellent defence. Garcia is a very intelligent fighter. Notice how he conserves energy and only throws when he has to? His game is built around a counter left hook and when Matthyse wasn't throwing he would simply poke him with a jab and stir him into action. You can't fuel a counterpuncher like Garcia, that's why I had money on him for the KO, a furious pressure fighter like Matthyse was always going to give him plenty of fodder.

Matthyse was great though, he never gave up. Garcia has a solid chin and very heavy handed. He's very beatable though, by someone with the right style.

walshb

I didn't think that Garcia was great last night. Lucas is good, but is limited at putting together accurate combinations. Too telegraphed.

I asked the question last night of how many clean heavy shots did Lucas land? I saw ONE, and it really troubled Garcia. Had the gum shield not came out then Garcia wouldn't have got the rest time.

One could say that Garcia's defence was the reason that Lucas didn't land many power shots. I don't think that's the full story. Too many times Lucas was in range and not throwing.

Johner

pac_man wrote: »

There is something about Garcia that I don't like and I cant put my finger as to what that is. I think if you take away his left hook, everything else is quite ordinary(in world class terms). I also think that it would have been a different fight if Matthysee had his right eye in order as he wasn't able to throw his right hand at all. It was a good performance by Garcia but for some reason or other, I'm not all that impressed with him.

Before the fight nearly everyone was picking Matthysse by KO and saying how Garcia was not in his league, Garcia beats him deservedly and people still cant seem to give Garcia credit. How can you not be impressed by him? He has shown he has KO power and also shown he is a very good boxer. I agree with Gene though that he is beatable by someone with the right style but he is a world class fighter and does not get the credit he deserves imo.

Johner

walshb wrote: »

I didn't think that Garcia was great last night. Lucas is good, but is limited at putting together accurate combinations. Too telegraphed.

I asked the question last night of how many clean heavy shots did Lucas land? I saw ONE, and it really troubled Garcia. Had the gum shield not came out then Garcia wouldn't have got the rest time.

One could say that Garcia's defence was the reason that Lucas didn't land many power shots. I don't think that's the full story. Too many times Lucas was in range and not throwing.

This is baffling to me, I can't understand how anyone can say Garcia wasn't that great last night. I thought he executed a good gameplan, fought a very good fight against one of the most feared punchers in boxing. What else did you want Garcia to do?

gene_tunney

walshb wrote: »

Too many times Lucas was in range and not throwing.

He was afraid of being countered. You don't let your hands go when you know you're in against a counterpuncher. Garcia hurt Lucas many times and that discouraged him from letting go.

walshb

Guys, you make fair and accurate points. I just didn't think he looked special or great. I don't ever recall saying that either man was ever a special/great fighter to begin with.

JacksonHeightsOwn

walshb wrote: »

I didn't think that Garcia was great last night. Lucas is good, but is limited at putting together accurate combinations. Too telegraphed.

I asked the question last night of how many clean heavy shots did Lucas land? I saw ONE, and it really troubled Garcia. Had the gum shield not came out then Garcia wouldn't have got the rest time.

One could say that Garcia's defence was the reason that Lucas didn't land many power shots. I don't think that's the full story. Too many times Lucas was in range and not throwing.

not throwing due to good head movemrnt perhaps?

Credit where its due man, Garcia was excellent. He was cool ,calm, and collective. He wasted very few punches, took feck all damage, and pretty much took Matthysse to school.

My only criticism is that he didnt push for the stoppage. I truly think he could have forced the stoppage from any round after the 8th. When he put the combinations together he looked excellent.

Really good fighter imo. And his dad is a mad bastard

el flaco

Its a pity matthysse had the eye injury. To me the knockdown was a pretty sketchy and shouldn't have counted. If he had his full vision he might have won one more round and then it's a draw on two of the cards and its a whole different story.

That said, Matthysse didn't really do himself justice. He had success with the right to the body but as the fight wore on he kept getting right on top of Garcia and smothered his own work.

I think a rematch is warranted. That fight just felt too inconclusive.

Themonkey

el flaco wrote: »

Its a pity matthysse had the eye injury. To me the knockdown was a pretty sketchy and shouldn't have counted. If he had his full vision he might have won one more round and then it's a draw on two of the cards and its a whole different story.

That said, Matthysse didn't really do himself justice. He had success with the right to the body but as the fight wore on he kept getting right on top of Garcia and smothered his own work.

I think a rematch is warranted. That fight just felt too inconclusive.

Watch the fight again mate if that fight was inconclusive then im blind garcia completley dominated early and eased threw the rest of the fight showing to much respect to matthysse s power if there was which there wont be a rematch i think garcia could take him out if he wanted ..if mayweather fought that fight he would be a genius which he obviously is

el flaco

Themonkey wrote: »

Watch the fight again mate if that fight was inconclusive then im blind garcia completley dominated early and eased threw the rest of the fight showing to much respect to matthysse s power if there was which there wont be a rematch i think garcia could take him out if he wanted ..if mayweather fought that fight he would be a genius which he obviously is

Yeah maybe so. Bit strange that he wouldn't take him out when he only had one eye and the affected eye was on Garcias strong side though. He hit matthysse with heavy shots but he kept walking forward. If ever there was a time to take him out last night was it.
Garcia fought well but I didn't come away feeling like he'd settled the argument conclusively. If he boxed like that while Matthysse had perfect vision at least I'd feel like there were no mitigating circumstances. Plus I think if matthysse had his chance again he could definitely go about things differently. It's not like someone fighting Mayweather and coming away realising they never had a hope to begin with.

walshb

I don't think Garcia thought that he could really take him out. He unloaded and landed some real bombs, and Lucas didn't flinch. I think Garcia was right to remain cautious, clever and to keep building up the scores. I haven't seen a fighter with a sturdier chin than Lucas in quite some time. He gets whacked and I don't even think his head moves. Similar to Hagler/LaPorte/Chuvalo.

I am one who believes that in a rematch that Lucas could have more success. Garcia's chin for me is good, but I still think Lucas would be the one that would get the KO. Garcia would again have to box to his best to win. The eye injury did indeed influence the fight.

FTA69

In fairness the eye-injury didn't happen out of thin air like, it happened because he was landing sustained punishment on Matthysse while boxing brilliantly. He really schooled him and showed his critics (myself included) that he's something much more substantial than a brawler. I really had his number wrong anyway.

Frankie Lee

Even though there was no controversy it really would be great to see a rematch between these two. They are very well matched.

el flaco

FTA69 wrote: »

In fairness the eye-injury didn't happen out of thin air like, it happened because he was landing sustained punishment on Matthysse while boxing brilliantly. He really schooled him and showed his critics (myself included) that he's something much more substantial than a brawler. I really had his number wrong anyway.

That's true about the eye injury, but if they met again would it definitely happen again? Matthysse's best rounds were prior to the swelling and after that he became very wary and any real threat from him diminished as a result.
I'm not saying Matthysse definitely wins the rematch but I think he could at least give himself a better chance. The fact that he can turn a fight with one punch strengthens the argument. If a feather-fisted boxer is overwhelmed then they probably won't be able to affect much change in a rematch.

I too was surprised at how well Garcia boxed, but for all his impressiveness he still only won by 2 points on 2 cards, with a dubious knockdown thrown into the mix. His body was becoming quite reddened and Matthysse managed to land his gumshield on Denzel Washington's hat.

Best two out of three I say!

Dick phelan

Have to hold my hands up and say i was wrong on Garcia, before the fight i was convinced Matthysse inside 6, however Garcia showed real boxing ability, ability to pace himself and box at range, i can honestly say Garcia can only now be called an elite fighter, he showed things last night i didnt think he had, he is the best 140 fighter around thats for sure

walshb

Frankie Lee wrote: »

Even though there was no controversy it really would be great to see a rematch between these two. They are very well matched.

This sums it up. Garcia showed me more to his game than previous. I was impressed with him. Not immensely, but impressed. His calmness and movement for me was the most impressive.

Themonkey

walshb wrote: »

I don't think Garcia thought that he could really take him out. He unloaded and landed some real bombs, and Lucas didn't flinch. I think Garcia was right to remain cautious, clever and to keep building up the scores. I haven't seen a fighter with a sturdier chin than Lucas in quite some time. He gets whacked and I don't even think his head moves. Similar to Hagler/LaPorte/Chuvalo.

I am one who believes that in a rematch that Lucas could have more success. Garcia's chin for me is good, but I still think Lucas would be the one that would get the KO. Garcia would again have to box to his best to win. The eye injury did indeed influence the fight.

how many fighters would benefit from a rematch thats y u take steps up the ladder not back down garcia beat him easily and would be in no mans land if he lost a rematch.Would lewis fight klitscho again or calzaghe fight hopkins NO job done on to bigger and better things

Johner

Themonkey wrote: »

how many fighters would benefit from a rematch thats y u take steps up the ladder not back down garcia beat him easily and would be in no mans land if he lost a rematch.Would lewis fight klitscho again or calzaghe fight hopkins NO job done on to bigger and better things

$$$, thats why! Garcia got $1.5 million and Matthysse $800,000.

Add in they are 1 and 2 in the divsion. I think Garcia should fight someone like Peterson and then have a rematch against Matthysse. A rematch would sell and makes sense. Garcia would be hugely confident about winning again, he knows how to beat Matthysse. I'd love to watch them fight again and I'm guessing so would most people.

el flaco

I wouldn't be too surprised if Garcia heads to 147. Maybe get a match-up with Broner? That would be interesting enough.

He could take on Alexander too if Alexander beats Khan. Not a particularly interesting fight and a possible step down in terms of money, but it would be a chance at a title.

Of course, it was being mooted that the winner of Garcia - Matthysse would get a chance to fight Mayweather. Mayweather might be left with little option but to fight Garcia at this rate. It would certainly be a step up in terms of pay for Garcia. I'm sure he'd jump at the opportunity, even if the rest of the planet doesn't really want it.

Big Ears

Themonkey wrote: »

Watch the fight again mate if that fight was inconclusive then im blind garcia completley dominated early and eased threw the rest of the fight showing to much respect to matthysse s power if there was which there wont be a rematch i think garcia could take him out if he wanted ..if mayweather fought that fight he would be a genius which he obviously is

????

For me Matthysse dominated rounds 2, 6, 12 and 11(disregarding the knockdown), rounds 1 and 3 and 5 were close and Garcia took rounds 4,7,8, 9 and 10 Danny also had a point deducted in the 12th.

If you score the 11th 10-8, and imo it's a 10-10 round due to what happened in the rest of the round before that dodgy enough knockdown then that's between 114-113 Matthysse and 116-110 Garcia.
I've no problem with any score within that 7 point spectrum, but to say Garcia dominated is utter nonsense.

The point itself is illustrated by the fact if that knockdown wasn't counted, Mattysse would of won a split decision.

walshb

Johner wrote: »

$$$, thats why! Garcia got $1.5 million and Matthysse $800,000.

Add in they are 1 and 2 in the divsion. I think Garcia should fight someone like Peterson and then have a rematch against Matthysse. A rematch would sell and makes sense. Garcia would be hugely confident about winning again, he knows how to beat Matthysse. I'd love to watch them fight again and I'm guessing so would most people.

I have a sneaky feeling that Lucas also knows how to beat Danny. It was that kind of fight.

Themonkey

the rematch looks on easy for garcia

Themonkey

like it was the last time and will be this time he build an early lead and COAST home

walshb

Big Ears wrote: »

I've no problem with any score within that 7 point spectrum, but to say Garcia dominated is utter nonsense.
n.

Absolutely. I don't know what fight some folks were watching. In several rds there was a punch or two to separate them. Over the whole 36 mins that fight was very competitive. I gave it to Danny, but as you say, utter nonsense to say it was a dominant or convincing win.