Andriy shevchenko & Pawel Japol

sydneybound

Andriy didn't have the best of days today at the Kharkov Superior Cup having 8 bogeys on his front nine however his back nine was better with the highlight being three pars in a row, signing off for a score of 84, +12.

However spare a thought for poor auld Pawel Japol. Pawel was very unfortunate as his short game totally deserted him and signed off for a score of 109, +37 however I suppose we all have our bad days. He had two double digit scores on the card with a 13 & 10 closely followed up with a 9, 8 and couple of 7's. On the positive side he did have 5 pars, well done Pawel old chum.

http://www.europeantour.com/challengetour/season=2013/tournamentid=2013766/leaderboard/index.html

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sydneybound wrote: »

Andriy didn't have the best of days today at the Kharkov Superior Cup having 8 bogeys on his front nine however his back nine was better with the highlight being three pars in a row, signing off for a score of 84, +12.

However spare a thought for poor auld Pawel Japol. Pawel was very unfortunate as his short game totally deserted him and signed off for a score of 109, +37 however I suppose we all have our bad days. He had two double digit scores on the card with a 13 & 10 closely followed up with a 9, 8 and couple of 7's. On the positive side he did have 5 pars, well done Pawel old chum.

http://www.europeantour.com/challengetour/season=2013/tournamentid=2013766/leaderboard/index.html

Was looking at that earlier. You'd have to wonder how some of these jokers get into the tournaments. I know they invite loads extra from the host nation, but still...

ForeRight

I saw Schevchenko play with Rory in the pro am before the Irish open this year. He is a 2 handicapper and this year I think I read he is playing on a minor tour.

He was well able to play from what I saw but by no means near good enough IMO.

Slightly off topic I saw a single figure lad have 6 pars in a row to start a round last week on the monty in carton followed by a 42 on the 7th... Yes that's a "forty two"
Bunker problems!
It was a medal.

Ilik Urgee

ForeRight wrote: »

I saw Schevchenko play with Rory in the pro am before the Irish open this year. He is a 2 handicapper and this year I think I read he is playing on a minor tour.

He was well able to play from what I saw but by no means near good enough IMO.

Slightly off topic I saw a single figure lad have 6 pars in a row to start a round last week on the monty in carton followed by a 42 on the 7th... Yes that's a "forty two"
Bunker problems!
It was a medal.

Holy ****eronii, how did that come about? And I want a shot by shot account:p

How did he even count it up?

ForeRight

Ilik Urgee wrote: »

Holy ****eronii, how did that come about? And I want a shot by shot account:p

How did he even count it up?

Multiple penalties, hacks, slashes, plugs followed by a magnificent 1 putt as always

Jimdagym

Ilik Urgee wrote: »

Holy ****eronii, how did that come about? And I want a shot by shot account:p

How did he even count it up?

As the quote goes, he missed the putt for 41

Lunatic score though.

sydneybound

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Was looking at that earlier. You'd have to wonder how some of these jokers get into the tournaments. I know they invite loads extra from the host nation, but still...

This lad is Polish so not even from the Ukraine but he must have got an invite. I googled his name and so many news companies picked up the story, any other week without the famous footballer and tennis player he would have got off far more lightly. I wonder how's it feeling tonight, after a round like that you'd wonder if he'd ever want to play challenge tour again. Even if he was carrying an injury there isn't any excuse for +37 after 18 holes by a professional golfer, hope he isn't teaching people his swing, I'd be asking for my money back.

TRS30

Poor old Pawel had enough after one round and w/d!!

Good old Peter VOLKOLUP propping up the field at +47. Andriy not looking too bad at +19!!

RonnieL

I stumbled across coverage of the westwood cup (I think that's what it was called anyway) on sky during the summer - it was a ryder cup style event played in Las Vegas with all ex premiership soccer players making up the teams. Schevchenko played in that too, and he hit some great shots.

ssbob

Guys a couple of points.......

• The lad who had a 42, surely there is a point in the hole where you pick and just NR that hole on your card......you ain't gonna gain anything and yourscore is going to be reduced to a double/triple bogey for CSS etc....
• Shenchenko(spelling?) and the likes get invites to increase sponsor revenue and spectators so I have no problem with him playing if he is going to bring people to watch the sport.
• As for Pawel, I would say he felt like curling up and dying!

Freemount09

I suppose atleast they'll get their 0.1 back ! :P

TRS30

Freemount09 wrote: »

I suppose atleast they'll get their 0.1 back ! :P

I'd be looking for at least 0.3 with those scores!

bustercherry

ssbob wrote: »

Guys a couple of points.......

[*]The lad who had a 42, surely there is a point in the hole where you pick and just NR that hole on your card......you ain't gonna gain anything and yourscore is going to be reduced to a double/triple bogey for CSS etc....
[*]Shenchenko(spelling?) and the likes get invites to increase sponsor revenue and spectators so I have no problem with him playing if he is going to bring people to watch the sport.
[*]As for Pawel, I would say he felt like curling up and dying!

Strokes comp

RikkFlair

I see ex Tennis player Yevgeny Kafelnikov is still competing, couple of 80s though to miss the cut.

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bustercherry wrote: »

Strokes comp

I think he may have known he wasn't in the running after about 25. Pick it up.

GreeBo

fullstop wrote: »

I think he may have known he wasn't in the running after about 25. Pick it up.

just because you arent going to win doesnt mean you take your ball and go home...

Seve OB

Freemount09 wrote: »

I suppose atleast they'll get their 0.1 back ! :P

Actually that's not the case. Clause 19 adjustment will bring that 42 back to something like a 6 or 7 (depending on hole Index and player handicap).

If he played well for the other 17 holes, there is a possibility he could have even lost shots!

alxmorgan

GreeBo wrote: »

just because you arent going to win doesnt mean you take your ball and go home...

But surely he can just NR the hole and continue to play on next hole ?
I really don't see the point in taking 42 shots on one hole

charlieIRL

alxmorgan wrote: »

But surely he can just NR the hole and continue to play on next hole ?
I really don't see the point in taking 42 shots on one hole

Remember Kevin Na and his 14 odd shots a few years ago? Still played out the hole.

alxmorgan

charlieIRL wrote: »

Remember Kevin Na and his 14 odd shots a few years ago? Still played out the hole.

I do. But that's different. He's a pro. What is the point is someone continuing on in a monthly medal once they get to the ridiculous stage ?

ssbob

stevieob wrote: »

Actually that's not the case. Clause 19 adjustment will bring that 42 back to something like a 6 or 7 (depending on hole Index and player handicap).

If he played well for the other 17 holes, there is a possibility he could have even lost shots!

This is true, he should have picked up the ball.

charlieIRL wrote: »

Remember Kevin Na and his 14 odd shots a few years ago? Still played out the hole.

Kevin Na is playing for his privelages on the PGA Tour, one stroke could mean the difference between last and second last or 125th and 126th on the tour!

The lad with the 42 should have NR and enjoyed the rest of his round.

No one can present a valid argument as to why he had to play out the hole to consist of 42 shots.

alxmorgan

ssbob wrote: »

No one can present a valid argument as to why he had to play out the hole to consist of 42 shots.

Sounds like a challenge

Seve OB

Talk of 42 reminds me of poor Angelo

uberwolf

stevieob wrote: »

Actually that's not the case. Clause 19 adjustment will bring that 42 back to something like a 6 or 7 (depending on hole Index and player handicap).

If he played well for the other 17 holes, there is a possibility he could have even lost shots!

spoke with a member yesterday. He did get a cut on the day.

spacecoyote

ssbob wrote: »

The lad with the 42 should have NR and enjoyed the rest of his round.

No one can present a valid argument as to why he had to play out the hole to consist of 42 shots.

Wasn't it a stroke play competition fir the captains qualifier?

So yes, for purpose of handicap he'd get the clause 19 adjust, but for the purpose of captains qualifying score he had to hole out given it's strokes

That was my understanding of it.

downthemiddle

sydneybound wrote: »

However spare a thought for poor auld Pawel Japol. Pawel was very unfortunate as his short game totally deserted him and signed off for a score of 109, +37 however I suppose we all have our bad days. He had two double digit scores on the card with a 13 & 10 closely followed up with a 9, 8 and couple of 7's. On the positive side he did have 5 pars, well done Pawel old chum.

http://www.europeantour.com/challengetour/season=2013/tournamentid=2013766/leaderboard/index.html

I have always wanted to be able to play like a pro but.........

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GreeBo wrote: »

just because you arent going to win doesnt mean you take your ball and go home...

It does if you're holding up the whole bloody course taking 42 shots at 1 hole :rolleyes:

Also, where did I suggest going home? Or are you trying to put words in my mouth? He had no need to walk in, just NR that hole.

GreeBo

fullstop wrote: »

It does if you're holding up the whole bloody course taking 42 shots at 1 hole :rolleyes:

Also, where did I suggest going home? Or are you trying to put words in my mouth? He had no need to walk in, just NR that hole.

NR would be a DQ from the competition.
"Real golfers" dont NR just because of a big number :cool:

alxmorgan wrote: »

But surely he can just NR the hole and continue to play on next hole ?
I really don't see the point in taking 42 shots on one hole

Strokeplay is about hitting the ball until its in the hole, thats why you keep going, because *thats* the game we signed up to play.

ssbob

GreeBo wrote: »

NR would be a DQ from the competition.
"Real golfers" dont NR just because of a big number :cool:

Strokeplay is about hitting the ball until its in the hole, thats why you keep going, because *thats* the game we signed up to play.

It its a DQ, then how does one get a cut on an NR round? I understand how clause 19 works but if you submit a card with an NR hole, i still think you are not DQ'd

I am all for playing to the letter of the law but 42 strokes is about 22 too much IMO. The player was not going to affect CSS or his own handicap once he reached 20 strokes or was he going to threaten second last so I don't see the point in holding up the whole course, especially on medal day!

alxmorgan

GreeBo wrote: »

Strokeplay is about hitting the ball until its in the hole, thats why you keep going, because *thats* the game we signed up to play.

Don't buy it I'm afraid. Slow play is the bane of golfers everywhere and you're advocating playing as many shots as it takes in strokeplay regardless ?
I didn't sign up to watch (or hit myself) 42 shots on one hole.
I'd be off....life is too short

Got his moneys worth at least...that would be a fiver at the range

IITYWYBMAD

GreeBo wrote: »

NR would be a DQ from the competition.
"Real golfers" dont NR just because of a big number :cool:

Real golfers would pick up their ball and walk to the next hole. Idiots would hold up the group behind, and/or their playing partners by taking 40 - 50 minutes playing a single hole.

GreeBo wrote: »

Strokeplay is about hitting the ball until its in the hole, thats why you keep going, because *thats* the game we signed up to play.

Golf is about the rules and etiquette. You simply do not keep going because it's "strokeplay". It's idiotic comments like those above that have 5-6 hour rounds the norm in some places.

GreeBo

ssbob wrote: »

It its a DQ, then how does one get a cut on an NR round? I understand how clause 19 works but if you submit a card with an NR hole, i still think you are not DQ'd

I am all for playing to the letter of the law but 42 strokes is about 22 too much IMO. The player was not going to affect CSS or his own handicap once he reached 20 strokes or was he going to threaten second last so I don't see the point in holding up the whole course, especially on medal day!

Competition results and handicapping are separate things, so you can get cut but not be eligible for the comp.

alxmorgan wrote: »

Don't buy it I'm afraid. Slow play is the bane of golfers everywhere and you're advocating playing as many shots as it takes in strokeplay regardless ?
I didn't sign up to watch (or hit myself) 42 shots on one hole.
I'd be off....life is too short

Got his moneys worth at least...that would be a fiver at the range

Its not a case of "buying it", its how the game is played.
Its also why people who are liable to shoot a 42 should play stableford competitions and not strokes, so they dont hole up the entire course behind.

Also, hitting 42 shots is not slow play unless it takes them longer than it should to hit those 42 shots. Otherwise you are saying an 18 handicap Golfer is unacceptably slower than a scratch golfer. Slow play has *nothing* to do with the number of times you hit the ball and everything to do with how long it takes you to hit the ball.

GreeBo

IITYWYBMAD wrote: »

Real golfers would pick up their ball and walk to the next hole. Idiots would hold up the group behind, and/or their playing partners by taking 40 - 50 minutes playing a single hole.


Golf is about the rules and etiquette. You simply do not keep going because it's "strokeplay". It's idiotic comments like those above that have 5-6 hour rounds the norm in some places.

Ironic that you quote rules and etiquette and then advise someone picks up their ball before holing out in a strokes comp. If you are slow then you let the group behind through, thats not being "idiotic", thats playing golf.

If you are in the habit of taking 42 shots on a hole, chances are you are a cat4 golfer and should consider playing stableford until you get a bit better.

Every strokes comp in our club has a stableford option for cat4 golfers.

ssbob

GreeBo wrote: »

Competition results and handicapping are separate things, so you can get cut but not be eligible for the comp.

Are you 100% sure this is the case because if a player is DQ'd for having 15 clubs, the score he got with those 15 clubs would be allowed for handicap purposes, I find that hard to believe?

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GreeBo wrote: »

Competition results and handicapping are separate things, so you can get cut but not be eligible for the comp.

But you said DQ. It's not a DQ, otherwise he wouldn't be eligible to be cut.

Also, your reasoning that 42 shots at 1 hole isn't slow play unless it takes longer than it should to hit 42 shots is laughable.

GreeBo

ssbob wrote: »

Are you 100% sure this is the case because if a player is DQ'd for having 15 clubs, the score he got with those 15 clubs would be allowed for handicap purposes, I find that hard to believe?

it depends on why you were dq'd. nr is ok, 15 clubs or cheating I'd not.
page 82-3 of congu manual.

fullstop wrote: »

But you said DQ. It's not a DQ, otherwise he wouldn't be eligible to be cut.

sorry but you are simply wrong, it is a DQ, and the player is potentially cut under usual clause 19 adjustment, see above for reference.

fullstop wrote: »

Also, your reasoning that 42 shots at 1 hole isn't slow play unless it takes longer than it should to hit 42 shots is laughable.

slower play is not slow play, otherwise every handicap golfer is guilty of slow play everytime they step on the course.
just because I drive faster than you doesn't mean that I'm speeding.

alxmorgan

GreeBo wrote: »

Its not a case of "buying it", its how the game is played.
Its also why people who are liable to shoot a 42 should play stableford competitions and not strokes, so they dont hole up the entire course behind.

Also, hitting 42 shots is not slow play unless it takes them longer than it should to hit those 42 shots. Otherwise you are saying an 18 handicap Golfer is unacceptably slower than a scratch golfer. Slow play has *nothing* to do with the number of times you hit the ball and everything to do with how long it takes you to hit the ball.

I've never met someone on a golf course "liable" to take 42 shots on one hole regardless of handicap. So I'd guess this was an anomaly.

42 shots * 20 seconds per shot = 14 minutes.
Throw in walking and waiting for others to hit their shots and your talking probably 25 minutes to play that hole. How is that not slow ?

Even if they do none of the things that contribute to slow play and have bag in right place, ready to go when its their turn etc etc you're still talking about a hole that takes 10-15 minutes that it should (all rough estimations of course)

I just don't see who is benefitting from this...the player hitting 42 shots ? no. His playing partners ? no. Field behind ? no.

ssbob

I suppose this all comes down to common sense really, no-one will look down on a guy who picks up after 20 shots taken at a hole and wants to move on to keep things moving on th inevitable 4hr 30min Medal rounds.

@Greebo: Technically your right but practically you are a million miles away from the way the game should be played in this instance.

GreeBo

alxmorgan wrote: »

I've never met someone on a golf course "liable" to take 42 shots on one hole regardless of handicap. So I'd guess this was an anomaly.

so where do you draw the line, will you be DQ-ing yourself this weekend if you have still havent holed out after 10, 8, 7?

alxmorgan wrote: »

42 shots * 20 seconds per shot = 14 minutes.
Throw in walking and waiting for others to hit their shots and your talking probably 25 minutes to play that hole. How is that not slow ?

Even if they do none of the things that contribute to slow play and have bag in right place, ready to go when its their turn etc etc you're still talking about a hole that takes 10-15 minutes that it should (all rough estimations of course)

That doesnt make them a slow player!
Again, I play off 1, would you be happy with me complaining about how slow you are your mates off 12 are?

alxmorgan wrote: »

I just don't see who is benefitting from this...the player hitting 42 shots ? no. His playing partners ? no. Field behind ? no.

The guy not getting DQ'd is benefiting I reckon?
Perhaps he shoots 36 points for the rest of the holes and would win GOTY, perhaps he needs to get 3 qualifying cards in to be eligible for teams or majors next year?
Perhaps lots of things, its a strokes comp so you hole out or you DQ, thems the rules.

GreeBo

ssbob wrote: »

I suppose this all comes down to common sense really, no-one will look down on a guy who picks up after 20 shots taken at a hole and wants to move on to keep things moving on th inevitable 4hr 30min Medal rounds.

@Greebo: Technically your right but practically you are a million miles away from the way the game should be played in this instance.

I didnt say anything about anyone looking down on someone picking up...


Ok, so as I asked above, at what point do you pick up then?
Im sure you have stuck at least a 10 on a card...why was that? You probably hit twice as many shots as most hit on that hole, so you were holding up the course and yet played on...why?

Who are you to decide that someone else should be DQ'd from a competition just because they are not as "good" as you are?

alxmorgan

GreeBo wrote: »

so where do you draw the line, will you be DQ-ing yourself this weekend if you have still havent holed out after 10, 8, 7?
.

You draw the line at a sensible level. 10 happens. 42 is not sensible by anyones standards.

GreeBo wrote: »

That doesnt make them a slow player!
Again, I play off 1, would you be happy with me complaining about how slow you are your mates off 12 are?

It doesn't but for that hole it makes them unacceptably slow IMO
Assuming both of us shoot to handicap then thats 11 shots over a round. Not 40+ in one hole of a difference or even 30+ from someone that has a 10.

GreeBo wrote: »

The guy not getting DQ'd is benefiting I reckon?
Perhaps he shoots 36 points for the rest of the holes and would win GOTY, perhaps he needs to get 3 qualifying cards in to be eligible for teams or majors next year?
Perhaps lots of things, its a strokes comp so you hole out or you DQ, thems the rules.

36 points ? Its not stableford
3 qualifying cards ? Possible but your talking corner cases now

Ya I have never had an issue with DQ. Take any stroke comp anywhere in the country and I guarantee you a good % are NR.
Now some of them are probably lads that don't want bad scores appearing on howdidido but a good % are also lads who are having a mare and don't want to put themselves or all around them through the mill. And I think that's ok.

Shure didn't Rory do it

ssbob

GreeBo wrote: »

I didnt say anything about anyone looking down on someone picking up...

Agreed

GreeBo wrote: »

Ok, so as I asked above, at what point do you pick up then?
Im sure you have stuck at least a 10 on a card...why was that? You probably hit twice as many shots as most hit on that hole, so you were holding up the course and yet played on...why?

Who are you to decide that someone else should be DQ'd from a competition just because they are not as "good" as you are?

All I am advocating is common sense, its like the question of when to hit, theres no definitive answer but if people applied common sense a little bit more in this game then we would have a much better game IMO.

Yes I have had plenty of 10's in Stroke Play but once this got to 15/20 I would deffo pick up as the outcome of the competion/handicap adjustment/css is not going to be affected so the only good that can come out of it is to keep the pace of play going.

Can we agree to disasgree here?:D

alxmorgan

GreeBo wrote: »

Who are you to decide that someone else should be DQ'd from a competition just because they are not as "good" as you are?

I think you are being disingenuous now. From what I read nobody was saying DQ him. People are asking why you would continue i.e. why not DQ yourself ?
And they are including themselves in this i.e. if I had 42 I would pick up (well a long way before that but anyway)

And again I say this is an anomaly....I've never seen anything bar early double figures so 42 is off the scale.

But at this point I see we are getting nowhere so we'll have to agree to disagree.

If I ever make it to your level I'll play alongside you in a stroke comp and have 42 on every hole and see if you are still as happy to have my finish out :eek:

GreeBo

alxmorgan wrote: »

You draw the line at a sensible level. 10 happens. 42 is not sensible by anyones standards.

Ok, so draw the line then.
15?
So a guy who has a putt for a 16 has to pick up and be DQ'd?

alxmorgan wrote: »

It doesn't but for that hole it makes them unacceptably slow IMO
Assuming both of us shoot to handicap then thats 11 shots over a round. Not 40+ in one hole of a difference or even 30+ from someone that has a 10.

So they are slow on one hole, let people play through and continue on...whats the problem? One bad hole means someone should be DQ'd from a comp?

alxmorgan wrote: »

36 points ? Its not stableford
3 qualifying cards ? Possible but your talking corner cases now

GOTY is often worked out on Stableford scores from qualifying comps.
Its not corner cases at all, 50% of my scores count towards GOTY, for the ladies its 100%.

alxmorgan wrote: »

Ya I have never had an issue with DQ. Take any stroke comp anywhere in the country and I guarantee you a good % are NR.
Now some of them are probably lads that don't want bad scores appearing on howdidido but a good % are also lads who are having a mare and don't want to put themselves or all around them through the mill. And I think that's ok.

You do, but the rules dont.

alxmorgan wrote: »

Shure didn't Rory do it

And I seem to remember the reaction he got for doing it too.

GreeBo

alxmorgan wrote: »

I think you are being disingenuous now. From what I read nobody was saying DQ him. People are asking why you would continue i.e. why not DQ yourself ?
And they are including themselves in this i.e. if I had 42 I would pick up (well a long way before that but anyway)

He will be automatically DQ'd for an NR in a strokes comp!
What about the examples I gave, perhaps its your last chance to get a qualifying round in before the captains prize, or you just need 30 points to secure GOTY.

alxmorgan wrote: »

And again I say this is an anomaly....I've never seen anything bar early double figures so 42 is off the scale.

But at this point I see we are getting nowhere so we'll have to agree to disagree.

Agreed, its highly unlikely for someone to have a 42, sure if he'd of holed the putt it would only have been a 41!
Its so unlikely that I think taking an NR because of one hole is silly.

Regarding the time taken, I dont think its physically possible to hit the ball 42 times and be as slow as others have estimated. For one, you are not walking very far between shots if you hit it 42 times.

alxmorgan wrote: »

If I ever make it to your level I'll play alongside you in a stroke comp and have 42 on every hole and see if you are still as happy to have my finish out :eek:

Be sure to let me know you are doing it on purpose, I might not know otherwise

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GreeBo wrote: »

Ok, so draw the line then.
15?
So a guy who has a putt for a 16 has to pick up and be DQ'd?

So you'd be happy enough to play with someone who took 150 on a hole? Bear in mind that this particular hole counts towards golfer of the year.

GreeBo

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So you'd be happy enough to play with someone who took 150 on a hole? Bear in mind that this particular hole counts towards golfer of the year.

You've stated there is a line after which you should pickup, Im asking you to let me know where you think that line is. You didnt seem too impressed with Rory and his tooth NR, so again, where is the line for you?

I dont think there is a line, its up to the player, as long as they let the groups behind through (assuming they have lost a hole)

Mister Sifter

Enter a strokes comp, you finish out every hole, no matter how many shots you take. That's what you're signing up for.

IITYWYBMAD

GreeBo wrote: »

Ironic that you quote rules and etiquette and then advise someone picks up their ball before holing out in a strokes comp. If you are slow then you let the group behind through, thats not being "idiotic", thats playing golf.

If you are in the habit of taking 42 shots on a hole, chances are you are a cat4 golfer and should consider playing stableford until you get a bit better.

Every strokes comp in our club has a stableford option for cat4 golfers.

As much as you'd like to, I won't get into a tit for tat with you.

And as somebody who has freely admitted to breaking the rules of golf by using a smartphone app as a DMD, you're not really in the position of a higher authority to be preaching about the rules.

Secondly, you know what I mean, but in your usual style, you dissect and deflect.

The game should be played for the enjoyment of oneself, and within the rules. If any responsible golfer believes that taking 40 odd minutes to play a single hole, is enjoyable (I'm guessing about 40 seconds per shot) and reasonable, well then frankly they have no place on a golf course.

I'm all for inclusive golf, and playing with the Cat 4, 3, 2 etc... as I do most weeks.

I never lose the head with somebody who does not play to my ability, as I was once that soldier. But I also respect that as a club golfer, there are other people on the course that require respect.

Have I ever seen a player DQ (pick up) himself from a medal.. yes

Would I run over and start telling him he's broken the rules.....?

IITYWYBMAD

GreeBo wrote: »

You've stated there is a line after which you should pickup, Im asking you to let me know where you think that line is. You didnt seem too impressed with Rory and his tooth NR, so again, where is the line for you?

I dont think there is a line, its up to the player, as long as they let the groups behind through (assuming they have lost a hole)

42 Strokes per hole would be the line for me. I'd stay with him up to 41.

bustercherry

With all due respect, most of you discussing this don't know how the 42 shots were counted up. The guy didn't play 42 individual shots AFAIK.