The McCanns

Matt_Trakker

Kate McCann, the mother of missing girl Madeleine, will attend a Portuguese court on Thursday for the start of the family's libel action against a former local police chief.

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2013/sep/12/kate-mccann-portugal-libel-case

The family is seeking around £1m in damages.

How much money d'ya reckon they've squeezed out of their daughter's 'kidnapping'?

Y'know, you want to feel sorry for them, you want to believe them but it's hard to give them the benefit of the doubt. I still think they did it, the only thing that would change my mind would be if she was found alive.

Matt_Trakker

Matt_Trakker wrote: »

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2013/sep/12/kate-mccann-portugal-libel-case



How much money d'ya reckon they've squeezed out of their daughter's 'kidnapping'?

Y'know, you want to feel sorry for them, you want to believe them but it's hard to give them the benefit of the doubt. I still think they did it, the only thing that would change my mind would be if she was found alive.

TBH, they sorta do deserve the money from the Portuguese police. I'm as suspicious as you are, but like it or not, those guys messed up royally.

cletus van damme

Matt_Trakker wrote: »

I still think they did it, the only thing that would change my mind would be if she was found alive.

what would happen if somebody came forward with the body and said "I did it"
would you still blame them?


Personally I think they are innocent and have suffered enough without people still poking digs at them

hatrickpatrick

Innocent until proven guilty still alive and well on Boards it would seem

kfk

The McCanns dont deserve any compensation! They neglected their children plain and simple are are not fit to be parents. The only person I feel sorry for is Madeleine.

Henry Gondorff

Am I the only one who would like to play hide the salami with Kate?

jimmycrackcorm

Matt_Trakker wrote: »

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2013/sep/12/kate-mccann-portugal-libel-case



How much money d'ya reckon they've squeezed out of their daughter's 'kidnapping'?

Y'know, you want to feel sorry for them, you want to believe them but it's hard to give them the benefit of the doubt. I still think they did it, the only thing that would change my mind would be if she was found alive.

If you ever have a child and have them disappear in such circumstances then you might change your tune. Honestly it's hard to believe that someone who would do something to their child would spend so much time publicising it.

dark crystal

Artful_Badger wrote: »

Yeah its an odd one. On the one hand the police did mess the thing up. On the other do the parents which are not blameless in this whole thing due to neglecting to mind their own child deserve damages ?

By all means look over the investigation and deal with the police as necessary but the parents dont deserve a payout over it.

They're suing him for libel, not for messing up the investigation as such. Therefore, they do deserve damages if he's found guilty.

Carrie Madshaw

There have been countless cases in history whereby parents of missing children or victims of abuse have felt that justice wasn't served or that the police acted incompetently but they don't all expect massive pay outs as compensation.

I don't really believe they played a part in her disappearance aside from the neglect aspect of it but there is something a bit crude about expecting that kind of pay-out. Something has never sat right with me about that pair but innocent until proven guilty and all that. It's hard to still feel any real emotion towards them seeing as so much time has passed and they've plastered themselves all over the media since day one.

Femme_Fatale

"I think they did it so therefore they definitely did it, it's a fact and I'm going to use quote-marks around 'kidnapping' in order to demonstrate how it's a fact that she wasn't kidnapped."

If my child disappeared, I'd use all the publicity I could to find them. People who claim they wouldn't obviously wouldn't care that much about their child... or, more likely, they haven't a clue what they'd do if they're child were kidnapped.

That said, they definitely ****ed up that night for not getting a babysitter.

weiland79

somuj wrote: »

Couldn't give a fcuk if they killed her or not. Plenty of other missing kids in the world apart from these pair of muppets kid. Sick of hearing about them. Hope some Portuguese citizen takes the law into their own hands and puts them out of their misery.

Righty oh then :rolleyes:

dark crystal

Carrie Madshaw wrote: »

There have been countless cases in history whereby parents of missing children or victims of abuse have felt that justice wasn't served or that the police acted incompetently but they don't all expect massive pay outs as compensation.

Read the OP - they're not suing for incompetence, but for libel.

The investigating officer, having been fired, went off and wrote a book saying the McCanns most likely murdered their daughter and that's why they're suing him.

Carrie Madshaw

dark crystal wrote: »

Read the OP - they're not suing for incompetence, but for libel.

The investigating officer, having been fired, went off and wrote a book saying the McCanns most likely murdered their daughter and that's why they're suing him.

Ah ok, I didn't realise that. I've never fully understood the concept of massive pay-outs in cases like these. I know the investigating officer wronged them and slandered them but he got fired. Should him losing his job not be reward enough? Money isn't gonna make her come back or undo any pain that's been caused.
I agree they deserve something but it seems an extortinate amount.

muddypaws

Carrie Madshaw wrote: »

Ah ok, I didn't realise that. I've never fully understood the concept of massive pay-outs in cases like these. I know the investigating officer wronged them and slandered them but he got fired. Should him losing his job not be reward enough? Money isn't gonna make her come back or undo any pain that's been caused.
I agree they deserve something but it seems an extortinate amount.

The money might enable them to continue their campaign looking for her for a few more years.

dark crystal

Carrie Madshaw wrote: »

Ah ok, I didn't realise that. I've never fully understood the concept of massive pay-outs in cases like these. I know the investigating officer wronged them and slandered them but he got fired. Should him losing his job not be reward enough? Money isn't gonna make her come back or undo any pain that's been caused.
I agree they deserve something but it seems an extortinate amount.

He lost his job before he wrote the book and has made lots of money himself from it.

You simply can't go around accusing innocent people of murder without consequences.

Carrie Madshaw

muddypaws wrote: »

The money might enable them to continue their campaign looking for her for a few more years.

Good point yeah.

Ash.J.Williams

the replies on boards seem to be sinking as low as the journal or youtube these days. Some nasty sh!t here.

twinytwo

cletus van damme wrote: »

what would happen if somebody came forward with the body and said "I did it"
would you still blame them?


Personally I think they are innocent and have suffered enough without people still poking digs at them

If they wernt doctors, their other kids would have been taken off them for what they did.

Suffered enough my ass, they are as quilty as whoever took the child.

wp_rathead

somuj wrote: »

Couldn't give a fcuk if they killed her or not. Plenty of other missing kids in the world apart from these pair of muppets kid. Sick of hearing about them. Hope some Portuguese citizen takes the law into their own hands and puts them out of their misery.

charming

maximoose

twinytwo wrote: »

Suffered enough my ass, they are as quilty as whoever took the child.

Assuming that actually happened

Carrie Madshaw

dark crystal wrote: »

He lost his job before he wrote the book and has made lots of money himself from it.

You simply can't go around accusing innocent people of murder without consequences.

Really? I thought that's what all the cool kids were doing these days?

I'm aware that you can't go around accusing people of murder without consequence
but there was consequence; he got fired and is being sued. Also, you say 'innocent people'. Nobody knows for sure that they are innocent but I agree that writing a book about them is completely wrong and he deserves everything that's coming to him but i still don't think they should receive a million quid over it! I find it a bit vulgar. That's just my opinion.

Jim van Morrison

somuj wrote: »

Hope some Portuguese citizen takes the law into their own hands and puts them out of their misery.

What Portuguese law would you be 'enforcing' in that case?

Sunglasses Ron

I'm all for fair trial, innocent until proven guilty but at best they are blatantly guilty of causing death by negligence, at worst actual murder/ manslaughter. If you examine every detail against them there is significant evidence they are hiding something, and the scale of their PR offensive only heightens my suspicions. The fact they are doctors and therefore a wealthy and b- renowned as one of the smarter professions around, makes you wonder why they were too tight to hire a babysitter. Something is just amiss. While one might argue that losing their child is punishment enough loads of parents have been charged and convicted for causing death or injury in, for example, drink driving cases with the kid in the car. The parents in this case were drinking presumably while the child died, it is not much different.

somuj

Jim van Morrison wrote: »

What Portuguese law would you be 'enforcing' in that case?

Where did I mention enforcing any laws? Can you not read ? ?

chopper6

maximoose wrote: »

Assuming that actually happened

The parents know exactly what happened.,...and they've been keeping thier mouths shut ever since.

Jim van Morrison

somuj wrote: »

Where did I mention enforcing any laws? Can you not read ? ?

For someone to 'take the law into their own hands', doesn't there have to be a law there in the 1st place?

smoking_kills

Sunglasses Ron wrote: »

I'm all for fair trial, innocent until proven guilty but at best they are blatantly guilty of causing death by negligence, at worst actual murder/ manslaughter. If you examine every detail against them there is significant evidence they are hiding something, and the scale of their PR offensive only heightens my suspicions. The fact they are doctors and therefore a wealthy and b- renowned as one of the smarter professions around, makes you wonder why they were too tight to hire a babysitter. Something is just amiss. While one might argue that losing their child is punishment enough loads of parents have been charged and convicted for causing death or injury in, for example, drink driving cases with the kid in the car. The parents in this case were drinking presumably while the child died, it is not much different.

My thoughts exactly..

Buzz84

Matt_Trakker wrote: »

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2013/sep/12/kate-mccann-portugal-libel-case



How much money d'ya reckon they've squeezed out of their daughter's 'kidnapping'?

Y'know, you want to feel sorry for them, you want to believe them but it's hard to give them the benefit of the doubt. I still think they did it, the only thing that would change my mind would be if she was found alive.

So you reckon that they used their daughters disappearance to make money? That's a pretty disgusting accusation.

Maybe you should take this into account. ''IF'' they had done it, wouldn't it be wise to move on and forget it happened. Instead they have continually highlighted it and continue the campaign to find their daughter.

They have even managed to get the English police to investigate it, now if they had of done it that would be an almighty stupid move don't you think?

They made a massive mistake which they paid the ultimate price for.

anto9

Are they still working doctors ,or has the celebrity gig taken over ?

Buzz84

kfk wrote: »

The McCanns dont deserve any compensation! They neglected their children plain and simple are are not fit to be parents. The only person I feel sorry for is Madeleine.

What makes you think they will pocket the money? More than likely use it for the search to find Madeline and to continue to highlight the search for her but no that would make to much sense.

somuj

Jim van Morrison wrote: »

For someone to 'take the law into their own hands', doesn't there have to be a law there in the 1st place?

This might help you.

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/vigilante

Buzz84

somuj wrote: »

Couldn't give a fcuk if they killed her or not. Plenty of other missing kids in the world apart from these pair of muppets kid. Sick of hearing about them. Hope some Portuguese citizen takes the law into their own hands and puts them out of their misery.

You are a complete scumbag. Who do those McCanns think they are ? They've some neck to continue the search for their daughter. What other parent would do such a thing?

dark crystal

somuj wrote: »

This might help you.

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/vigilante

Some good old fashioned blunt force trauma to the head might help too.

Isn't there a rock somewhere missing you from under it?

MonaPizza

Femme_Fatale wrote: »

"I think they did it so therefore they definitely did it, it's a fact and I'm going to use quote-marks around 'kidnapping' in order to demonstrate how it's a fact that she wasn't kidnapped."

If my child disappeared, I'd use all the publicity I could to find them. People who claim they wouldn't obviously wouldn't care that much about their child... or, more likely, they haven't a clue what they'd do if they're child were kidnapped.

That said, they definitely ****ed up that night for not getting a babysitter.

You'd probably blame them as well if the babysitter got high and killed the kids.

somuj

MonaPizza wrote: »

You'd probably blame them as well if the babysitter got high and killed the kids.

They were too tight for a babysitter.

Jim van Morrison

somuj wrote: »

This might help you.

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/vigilante

So, vigilante: '1. One who takes or advocates the taking of law enforcement into one's own hands.'

'any person who assumes the authority of the law, as by avenging a crime.'

Actually did help my case there, thanks.

Sunglasses Ron

anto9 wrote: »

Are they still working doctors ,or has the celebrity gig taken over ?

Personally if I was feeling ill and was given an all clear by a GP who had thought it was wise to leave a 3 year old in charge of two younger twins on multiple nights to go out on the piss, I would be looking for a second opinion.

Buzz84

twinytwo wrote: »

If they wernt doctors, their other kids would have been taken off them for what they did.

Suffered enough my ass, they are as quilty as whoever took the child.

So you reckon they havn't suffered, I'm guessing your not a parent. Your child being kidnapped, there isn't a bigger price they could of paid for the massive mistake they made.

So you reckon leaving a child a sleep unattended is as bad as kidnapping a child and god knows what else they done to that poor child. Yeah sure it is.

Buzz84

chopper6 wrote: »

The parents know exactly what happened.,...and they've been keeping thier mouths shut ever since.

So is that why they are always in the media :rolleyes:

somuj

Jim van Morrison wrote: »

So, vigilante: '1. One who takes or advocates the taking of law enforcement into one's own hands.'

'any person who assumes the authority of the law, as by avenging a crime.'

Would you like a gold star. Perhaps I could give you a pat on the back.

IvySlayer

Buzz84 wrote: »

What makes you think they will pocket the money? More than likely use it for the search to find Madeline and to continue to highlight the search for her but no that would make to much sense.

They have used Madeline funds to pay off their mortgage...

sham69

Buzz84 wrote: »

What makes you think they will pocket the money? More than likely use it for the search to find Madeline and to continue to highlight the search for her but no that would make to much sense.

Did they not use some of the fund to pay their mortgage?
Also did the husband not stay in a 5 star hotel with his lawyer whilst touring around the world in search of his daughter?

I always thought something was fishy about this case from day 1.

As said before its the child I feel sorry for.
Negligence is the only crime they are guilty of..... for the moment..

Just my 2 cents worth..

Sunglasses Ron

Buzz84 wrote: »

So you reckon they havn't suffered, I'm guessing your not a parent. Your child being kidnapped, there isn't a bigger price they could of paid for the massive mistake they made.

So you reckon leaving a child a sleep unattended is as bad as kidnapping a child and god knows what else they done to that poor child. Yeah sure it is.

No. But if they weren't so negligent it is highly unlikely she would have been kidnapped. If she even was kidnapped. They are either guilty of gross negligence or a manslaughter* and cover up, not to mention fraud. Either way, they are responsible.


*: I say manslaughter not murder as to be fair it does seem that if they were involved they are covering up an accidental death due to negligence rather than having outright killed her.

Jim van Morrison

somuj wrote: »

Would you like a gold star. Perhaps I could give you a pat on the back.

Well, you're pretty dumb, offering a 'dictionary' definition that actually reinforces my side of the argument. Also, your unedited post is visible in a quote above. You have to be quicker than that here.

This is 1 of the worst threads I've seen here in a long, long time.

Dontfadeaway

Do people really think they killed her? I thought it was more so that she had a fall and they covered it up.

dark crystal

Sunglasses Ron wrote: »

Personally if I was feeling ill and was given an all clear by a GP who had thought it was wise to leave a 3 year old in charge of two younger twins on multiple nights to go out on the piss, I would be looking for a second opinion.

He's a cardiologist, not a GP and you never know what the backround of the doctor is who's treating you, although no doubt they're all model citizens and perfect parents.

maximoose

Dontfadeaway wrote: »

Do people really think they killed her? I thought it was more so that she had a fall and they covered it up.

I think its more accidental death and a cover up yeah.

sham69

Dontfadeaway wrote: »

Do people really think they killed her? I thought it was more so that she had a fall and they covered it up.

My opinion for what its worth,

They dosed her with dozol or whatever medicine, gave her too much.
She woke up, was all over the place, fell , died and they covered it up.

AudreyHepburn

Does 'Innocent until proven guilty' not mean anything anymore? The only people who know what really happened that night are poor Madeleine and whoever took her.

These people have suffered enough. Let them be and leave the detective work to the experts.

Goncalo Amoral wrote a book in which he said the McCanns were killers, that they are responsible for what happened to Madeleine. There is not a shred of evidence to actually prove that's the case. Of course they have every right to sue to liable.

Merkin

Ash.J.Williams wrote: »

the replies on boards seem to be sinking as low as the journal or youtube these days. Some nasty sh!t here.

All obviously Daily Fail readers too :rolleyes:

kfk

Buzz84 wrote: »

They made a massive mistake which they paid the ultimate price for.

IMO, Madeleine was the one that payed the ultimate price. Their negligence should not be overlooked or forgotten! I dont have one ounce of pity for those people. The thought of what that innocent helpless little child may have gone through is sickening, yet many people seem to focus sympathy on the parents who should have been her protectors!