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Carbon taxes........

  • 11-09-2013 10:50PM
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,042 ✭✭✭


    Now that global warming has been outed for the scam that it is, when is this tax going to be scrapped and how do we get a refund on all the taxes we've paid?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,952 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    Sometime after the ice age.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,339 ✭✭✭Artful_Badger


    When was it outed as a scam ?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,042 ✭✭✭Grimreaper666


    When was it outed as a scam ?

    Read it in the papers today. It's global cooling now apparently and figures quoted by scientists were "rearranged" more than likely to keep them in their jobs.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,541 ✭✭✭Gee Bag


    Read it in the papers today. It's global cooling now apparently and figures quoted by scientists were "rearranged" more than likely to keep them in their jobs.

    Sounds like a Daily Mail exclusive

    Climate change caused by immigrant welfare tourists on drugs!


  • Moderators, Education Moderators Posts: 26,409 Mod ✭✭✭✭Peregrine


    Read it in the papers today.

    Well it must be true then..

    Out of curiousity, was it the Mail?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,886 ✭✭✭✭Roger_007


    Now that global warming has been outed for the scam that it is, when is this tax going to be scrapped and how do we get a refund on all the taxes we've paid?
    The scam is calling it the 'carbon' tax......It's just tax:mad:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,227 ✭✭✭✭Guy:Incognito


    Read it in the papers today. It's global cooling now apparently and figures quoted by scientists were "rearranged" more than likely to keep them in their jobs.

    I would have thought that would be worthy of a mention on the 6-1 no? Major scientific discovery and all.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,756 ✭✭✭demanufactured


    Roger_007 wrote: »
    The scam is calling it the 'carbon' tax......It's just tax:mad:

    Poor Politicians fund.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,886 ✭✭✭✭Roger_007


    Pat





    Oops,,,,,wrong thread!


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 12,563 Mod ✭✭✭✭Amirani


    Read it in the papers today. It's global cooling now apparently and figures quoted by scientists were "rearranged" more than likely to keep them in their jobs.

    Any links to any at least semi-reputable sources? You won't have much chance of getting a tax refund by telling Revenue about a story you read in Tea-Party Weekly.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 272 ✭✭boynesider


    Global warming is happening and it is being caused by human activity.

    You might not like this, but it is the truth. Disregarding the truth because it is inconvenient to you is an incredibly childish and irresponsible thing to do.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,478 ✭✭✭wexie


    boynesider wrote: »
    Global warming is happening and it is being caused by human activity.

    You might not like this, but it is the truth. Disregarding the truth because it is inconvenient to you is an incredibly childish and irresponsible thing to do.

    ah....right....well if it's THE TRUTH then well....that changes things.


  • Moderators, Education Moderators Posts: 26,409 Mod ✭✭✭✭Peregrine




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,042 ✭✭✭Grimreaper666


    It was in the Mail today and the Times during last week too iirc. I can appreciate how the Mail gets slated but there are plenty cases of scientists tweaking figures and genuine scientists like David Bellamy who disagreed with the theory of man being responsible for global warming, literally being regarded as a social outcast for even suggesting it. It's a multi-million pound/euro industry now that the taxpayer has been hoodwinked into paying for.


  • Administrators, Entertainment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 18,807 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭hullaballoo


    Just posting because I know this. No consumers paid the carbon levy until mid-2012 because it was supposed to be a tax on a windfall as a result of the provision of carbon credits by the EU to member states. Electricity companies had to pay the cost of the levy but they were not allowed to pass it on to consumers by the CER. Carbon credits are a traded commodity, so you can sell them if you're below your carbon emissions quota, like most energy companies here are.

    That decision by the CER was reviewed by the Supreme Court last year and found to be unlawful as a result of which, we now all pay the carbon levy on electricity and gas etc. even though the government who introduced the tax never intended for it to be paid by us.

    Oddly, and I can't figure this one out, the current government have not repealed the law introducing the levy. Anyone?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 527 ✭✭✭joeperry


    Nobody knows the truth about this sort of thing.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,576 ✭✭✭V.W.L 11


    it was just John Gormley on a power trip when it was introduced,the man is a bloody eco warrior,hopefully the green party NEVER return to government


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 12,563 Mod ✭✭✭✭Amirani


    Nimrod 7 wrote: »

    Ah, I'd read about that earlier on in the week. It's simply regression towards the mean, and was expected by any scientist (or statistician) worth their salt. The long term trend is a definite decrease in the volume of ice in the Arctic. Yes there was 60% growth here, but that's 60% growth on the lowest level ever recorded. Current ice levels are still far below historical levels despite this growth.

    Image that illustrates this: http://www.theblaze.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/arctic-sea-ice_1-620x497.jpeg


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,486 ✭✭✭✭ted1


    Global warming is happening and as a result we are experiencing global cooling also.
    The warmer weather is melting the ice caps. As a result this cooler water is reducing the heat of the worlds water.
    Also what is happening is large and large amounts of salt are also being released which is causing other troubles.

    Now this is part of a natural cycle but is being expedited by man kind.the Stone Age ended because man relived as did the Bronze Age.

    We are now in a unique situation where the oil age is ending not because if new technology but because of limited resources.

    We've screwed ourselves over and need to move away from carbon based energy. The question isn't what happens when we run out if Oil but what happens when we reach low stocks. Countries with it won't share it and those who want it will fight for it.

    So in summary the OP doesn't know what he is saying.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,340 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    joeperry wrote: »
    Nobody knows the truth about this sort of thing.

    I do. Me and Wikipedia. About 10,000 years ago Ireland was under 2 miles of ice. Same will happen again. Guaranteed.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,042 ✭✭✭Grimreaper666


    I've been reading lots of articles over the years about global warming, climate change or whatever they like to call it at that particular time but the one thing i always seem to come across on forums like boards is how quick people are to rush in and try to discredit the papers that run the articles about global warming/climate change and the opinions of anyone who has a different view on the situation.
    There's a lot of evidence for and against but there's a hell of a lot of evidence to suggest that it's now a money spinner for scientists and governments by way of taxes.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,815 ✭✭✭✭galwayrush


    I do. Me and Wikipedia. About 10,000 years ago Ireland was under 2 miles of ice. Same will happen again. Guaranteed.

    The sheer weight of the ice caps bearing down on themselves creates massive amounts of heat which in turn is melting the ice caps. A natural cycle, the more ice build up, a critical point is reached and the rate of melting accelerates.
    The seas rise , and the greenhouse effect starts a major cool down and it's another ice age.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,886 ✭✭✭✭Roger_007


    ted1 wrote: »
    Global warming is happening and as a result we are experiencing global cooling also..............

    I remember reading something like this in Alice in Wonderland. :rolleyes:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,486 ✭✭✭✭ted1


    V.W.L 11 wrote: »
    it was just John Gormley on a power trip when it was introduced,the man is a bloody eco warrior,hopefully the green party NEVER return to government

    And tell me was in power in Britan when they bought in the CCL?

    Plenty of other countries have carbon taxes. It's called the polluter pays principle.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,042 ✭✭✭Grimreaper666


    I do. Me and Wikipedia. About 10,000 years ago Ireland was under 2 miles of ice. Same will happen again. Guaranteed.

    Probably will alright. Apparently in Greenland, Viking settlements were found under the ice which proves that there was much less ice when they were around. In the 17th century the Chinese sailed from the South pole to the North pole and didn't encounter any ice at all.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,486 ✭✭✭✭ted1


    Roger_007 wrote: »
    I remember reading something like this in Alice in Wonderland. :rolleyes:

    If you liked reading that try reading some scientific journals, that's where I get my info. Have a look there's plenty out there to back up my claim


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,009 ✭✭✭Tangatagamadda Chaddabinga Bonga Bungo


    ted1 wrote: »
    If you liked reading that try reading some scientific journals, that's where I get my info. Have a look there's plenty out there to back up my claim

    I saw a documentary a while back saying because of Arctic ice melting places like Europe and Canada would get cooler by a few degrees and other parts of the world would get hotter by a few degrees.

    It then said it could mess with the Gulf Stream and the knock on effects of that could be quite catastrophic so I put my head phones on and started listening to some songs so I didn't have to pay more attention to it. :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,042 ✭✭✭Grimreaper666


    ted1 wrote: »
    If you liked reading that try reading some scientific journals, that's where I get my info. Have a look there's plenty out there to back up my claim

    I have and it's they're the ones who are tweaking the figures to suit themselves. There are plenty of valid publications with alternative views too. Don't believe all you hear or read about and most importantly of all be very wary when politicians get involved as the bottom line for them as we all know is money.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 714 ✭✭✭Ziphius


    Read it in the papers today. It's global cooling now apparently and figures quoted by scientists were "rearranged" more than likely to keep them in their jobs.

    Global cooling you say? All those carbon taxes must be having an effect.

    :pac:


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,971 ✭✭✭Sh1tbag OToole


    Carbon taxes just make it easier for China to take over. You can outsource polution as well. Also extra pollution generated at sea from shipping stuff back but that doesnt belong to any particular country so nobody cares


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