Why not call here Southern Ireland?

woodoo

Would it not be handier to call the Rep of Ireland Southern Ireland instead of Ireland. It would then be Northern Ireland and Southern Ireland. Its descriptive and easy for people from the rest of the world to get their head around.

SweepTheLeg

woodoo wrote: »

Would it not be handier to call the Rep of Ireland Southern Ireland instead of Ireland. It would then be Northern Ireland and Southern Ireland. Its descriptive and easy for people from the rest of the world to get their head around.

We earned our right to be called a Republic.

Duff

But we're the Republic (Which we, as a nation fought long and hard for). Ireland is the whole Island.

Fr_Dougal

Because that would be playing into the hands of Cork people.

mikemac1

The forgotten county won't like this

And there's the name, the OP forgot Donegal

Iwasfrozen

woodoo wrote: »

Would it not be handier to call the Rep of Ireland Southern Ireland instead of Ireland. It would then be Northern Ireland and Southern Ireland. Its descriptive and easy for people from the rest of the world to get their head around.

Dev purposely called the country Ireland as a way of passive aggressively claiming the north.

Sh1tbag OToole

Because thats what the Brits call it.

SV

because the Republic of Ireland is still in the north.

Sigourney

'Southern' just sounds nicer. A bit like 'western' or 'upper'. 'Republic' is a bit council estate.

Mickey H

Just because... No.

Artful_Badger

Its grand, leave it alone.

Yay let's alienate Donegal even more

Celly Smunt

The Best Ireland.

woodoo

Sigourney wrote: »

'Southern' just sounds nicer. A bit like 'western' or 'upper'. 'Republic' is a bit council estate.

Karl Stein

The Backwards man would not be amused. He'd be living in Southern Ireland despite living more northerly than the vast majority of the people in the north.

Seaneh

First of all, there is no country called "The Republic of Ireland" except by UEFA and FIFA.

The country is called Ireland or Eire.

The Country of Ireland is part of the Island of Ireland.

Northern Ireland is the north east corner of the Island of Ireland and a different state to the country called Ireland.


TL;DR.


The Island = Ireland
The 26 counties = Ireland
The 6 Counties = Northern Ireland.

Patch123

Southern Ireland was the proposed name of the 26 counties within a two-state Northern Ireland / Southern Ireland Home Rule solution to the Irish question in the 1920s. That's why it sounds faintly derogatory to Irish ears as it implies a continuing connection to the UK. As far as I know anyway.

saltyjack silverblade

Seaneh wrote: »

First of all, there is no country called "The Republic of Ireland" except by UEFA and FIFA.

The country is called Ireland or Eire.

The Country of Ireland is part of the Ireland of Ireland.

Northern Ireland is the north east corner of the Island of Ireland and a different state to the country called Ireland.


TL;DR.


The Island = Ireland
The 26 counties = Ireland
The 6 Counties = Northern Ireland.

OH MY GOD you have no idea how relieved I am to see someone else gets this.

MadYaker

What a fantastically original idea for a thread....

Peregrine

Northern Ireland is only 6 counties in the North East, everything that isn't North East isn't South. The most Northerly point on the island is in the Republic, the The most Westerly point on the island is in the Republic and also the most Southerly point on the island is in the Republic. We're hardly just "Southern Ireland".

If the island was divided roughly in half, yes Northern and Southern Ireland would make sense but as it stands, it's just stupid.

MadsL

You are pronouncing it wrong.

It's "Suvvern Island"

https://twitter.com/SuvvernIsland

ted1

woodoo wrote: »

Would it not be handier to call the Rep of Ireland Southern Ireland instead of Ireland. It would then be Northern Ireland and Southern Ireland. Its descriptive and easy for people from the rest of the world to get their head around.

What about the east, the west or the north don't forget Donegal.

Southern Ireland us a stupid name, lets just stick to calling the North the occupied territory

Sir Humphrey Appleby

woodoo wrote: »

Would it not be handier to call the Rep of Ireland Southern Ireland instead of Ireland. It would then be Northern Ireland and Southern Ireland. Its descriptive and easy for people from the rest of the world to get their head around.

With Donegal in Southern Ireland being more Northerly than any county in Northern Ireland?
Anyway, the official name of this state is just Ireland, not the Rep of Ireland.

joe swanson

Just no.

MadsL

ted1 wrote: »

Southern Ireland us a stupid name, lets just stick to calling the North the occupied territory

So one is insulting and the other accurate.

Hmm.

Jimoslimos

woodoo wrote: »

Would it not be handier to call the Rep of Ireland Southern Ireland instead of Ireland. It would then be Northern Ireland and Southern Ireland. Its descriptive and easy for people from the rest of the world to get their head around.

Very very few countries refer to another country geographically in their name, South Sudan is the only official one I can think of.

Former East and West Germany: No, these were DDR and BRD respectively (not the Ost-Deutsche Demokratische Republik or the Bundesrepublik Westdeutschland.

North and South Korea: Nope again, the Democratic Peoples Republic of Korea and Republic of Korea. Both peoples call themselves "Korean".

Former North and South Vietnam: Same as above.

We have the trademark on the name "Ireland" for the sovereign state, why should we change?

jimgoose

When the Brits secede from the EU we should go with them, and the whole shebang should be called The United Kingdom of Eng-y-land-Nyaaah, Deep Fried Mars-Bar Land, Norn Ironistan, No-one Gives A Sh!t About Wales Boyo, and The Peoples Democratic Protectorate of Caaark, Like.

irishpaddy

woodoo wrote: »

Would it not be handier to call the Rep of Ireland Southern Ireland instead of Ireland. It would then be Northern Ireland and Southern Ireland. Its descriptive and easy for people from the rest of the world to get their head around.

but then people coming to the north finding it ruled by the brits would assume the whole island is the same, the only way to solve the problem is change the flags and hang the tri colour over belfast.:)

Oops69

MadsL wrote: »

You are pronouncing it wrong.

It's "Suvvern Island"

https://twitter.com/SuvvernIsland

Also not Eire but Eiwa in best queens english:D

donvito99

Why not call the north "North of the Republic of Ireland"?

Karl Stein

jimgoose wrote: »

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donvito99

Seaneh wrote: »

First of all, there is no country called "The Republic of Ireland" except by UEFA and FIFA.

The country is called Ireland or Eire.

The Country of Ireland is part of the Island of Ireland.

Northern Ireland is the north east corner of the Island of Ireland and a different state to the country called Ireland.


TL;DR.


The Island = Ireland
The 26 counties = Ireland
The 6 Counties = Northern Ireland.

From the Republic of Ireland Act, 1948

It is hereby declared that the description of the State shall be the Republic of Ireland.

So as far as the Oireachtas is concerned, contrary to Article 4, this is not Ireland but the Republic of Ireland. It's not just FIFA and UEFA.

Carlos Orange

donvito99 wrote: »

From the Republic of Ireland Act, 1948



So as far as the Oireachtas is concerned, contrary to Article 4, this is not Ireland but the Republic of Ireland. It's not just FIFA and UEFA.

Since when are name and description the same thing?

Seaneh

donvito99 wrote: »

From the Republic of Ireland Act, 1948



So as far as the Oireachtas is concerned, contrary to Article 4, this is not Ireland but the Republic of Ireland. It's not just FIFA and UEFA.

You might want to read the constitution there Ted.

MadsL

Oops69 wrote: »

Also not Eire but Eiwa in best queens english:D

Ah, Eire is a nightmare.

Air ray

Air ree

Ira

Iray

JohnMearsheimer

A lot of people I came across in the UK used the term Southern Ireland when I lived there. People would ask me where I was from and I'd say Ireland the next question would usually be Northern or Southern Ireland.

Peregrine

The Constitution does say the name of the State is Eire or Ireland but the official description of the State is indeed "Republic of Ireland".

It's a bit confusing really, you can't be faulted for saying any of them but you'll definitely get a few weird looks if you casually refer to the 26 counties as Eire..

Dermighty

To be honest, we are barely a country.

saltyjack silverblade

donvito99 wrote: »

From the Republic of Ireland Act, 1948

So as far as the Oireachtas is concerned, contrary to Article 4, this is not Ireland but the Republic of Ireland. It's not just FIFA and UEFA.

The section only provides a description of the State moving from a monarchy to a republic. The name is unchanged at Ireland.
Costello said at the time ,
"If I say that my name is Costello and that my description is that of senior counsel, I think that will be clear to anybody who wants to know. If the Senator will look at Article 4 of the Constitution she will find that the name of the State is Éire. Section 2 of this Bill declares that "this State shall be described as the Republic of Ireland." Its name in Irish is Éire and in the English language Ireland. Its description in the English language is "the Republic of Ireland."."

Judge Brian Walsh said that, "if the courts of other countries seeking the assistance of this country are unwilling to give this State its constitutionally correct and internationally recognised name, then in my view, the warrants should be returned to such countries until they have been rectified."

It's the UK that call us the Republic of Ireland.