SIMI not-a-scrappage-scheme

MadsL

http://www.independent.ie/lifestyle/motoring/motor-industry-calls-for-2k-vrt-cut-to-help-buyers-29571555.html

SIMI wants €2K VRT cut when trading in a six year old car.

Is there no end to SIMI's 'scrappage' handouts? What the hell is wrong with a six year old car? As far as CO2 emissions are concerned, as many emission are caused by building the car as driving it.

SIMI should get a grip.

Frosty McSnowballs

SIMI should fcuk off.

chuckyarelaw

MadsL wrote: »

http://www.independent.ie/lifestyle/motoring/motor-industry-calls-for-2k-vrt-cut-to-help-buyers-29571555.html

SIMI wants €2K VRT cut when trading in a six year old car.

Is there no end to SIMI's 'scrappage' handouts? What the hell is wrong with a six year old car? As far as CO2 emissions are concerned, as many emission are caused by building the car as driving it.

SIMI should get a grip.

What's wrong with ya?

padraig.od

SIMI should fcuk off!!

MadsL

chuckyarelaw wrote: »

What's wrong with ya?

Are you supporting such a scheme?

jimgoose

Senor Fancy Pants wrote: »

SIMI should fcuk off.

^^^
What him say.

kneemos

If I got my hands on SIMI I'd strangle SIMI.

Mickey H

SIMI are full of shyte. There's nothing wrong with a 6 year old car.

jimgoose

kneemos wrote: »

If I got my hands on SIMI I'd strangle SIMI.

I'd never get tired a' batin' SIMI. He's a pup, his father was a pup, all belonging to him was pups going back to shortly after the Famine.

Mint Sauce

The other two articles I read about this calls it a swappage scheme, giving the same incentive if the buyer wants to buy second hand.

jimgoose

Mint Sauce wrote: »

The other two articles I read about this calls it a swappage scheme, giving the same incentive if the buyer wants to buy second hand.

Brilliant idea. Thus second-hand car prices shoot up and various dealers gouge the thick end of two grand per-car from Captain Gob****e taxpayer. I'm going to ram a poker up SIMI's hole.

SIMI are clearly desperate to find ways to fund the repayments on all those expensive car showrooms that they build during the CT days, that they'll do almost anything to "move the metal".

Fr_Dougal

jimgoose wrote: »

I'd never get tired a' batin' SIMI. He's a pup, his father was a pup, all belonging to him was pups going back to shortly after the Famine.

His great grandfather was a decent man, god be good to him.

jimgoose

Fr_Dougal wrote: »

His great grandfather was a decent man, god be good to him.

It all went to hell after the old-style caravans disappeared.

MadsL

Deleted User wrote: »

SIMI are clearly desperate to find ways to fund the repayments on all those expensive car showrooms that they build during the CT days, that they'll do almost anything to "move the metal".

"Pushing tin", I believe is the parlance.

Fr_Dougal wrote: »

His great grandfather was a decent man, god be good to him.

Did he know Bill?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M6GOTtvqrGI

chuckyarelaw

MadsL wrote: »

Are you supporting such a scheme?

Yes why not?

MadsL

chuckyarelaw wrote: »

Yes why not?

Because SIMI have, like a fat kid asking for more donuts, had far too much already.

chuckyarelaw

MadsL wrote: »

Because SIMI have, like a fat kid asking for more donuts, had far too much already.

I don't agree. This is a good idea and I think you're wrong

MadsL

chuckyarelaw wrote: »

I don't agree. This is a good idea and I think you're wrong

What do you think it will achieve.

I say it is a bad idea because it just inflates 2nd hand car prices to put the money in car dealers pockets at a cost to the taxpayer and that more new cars just increases emissions. Any incentives should be for electric vehicles.

Do you have a reason to support it?

Sleepy

If we're going to incentivise the purchase of any goods, can we at the very least ensure they're goods made in this country rather than imports that support only a small number of sales jobs?

shopaholic01

A pathetic attempt to encourage car sales.

Applying it to second hand cars might help the sale of repos too.

MadsL

Sleepy wrote: »

If we're going to incentivise the purchase of any goods, can we at the very least ensure they're goods made in this country rather than imports that support only a small number of sales jobs?

What goods do you suggest? Wouldn't that breach EU competition rules?

Sleepy

None at all. I'd much rather we left the market alone.

Grayson

MadsL wrote: »

What do you think it will achieve.

I say it is a bad idea because it just inflates 2nd hand car prices to put the money in car dealers pockets at a cost to the taxpayer and that more new cars just increases emissions. Any incentives should be for electric vehicles.

Do you have a reason to support it?

yep and if it's applied to petrol cars only the ones that have the lowest emissions. Say the bottom 10% of emission producers. Of course that would annoy SIMI since they couldn't flog petrol guzzling monster SUV's.

SCOOP 64

No, €2000 not enough ,i still cant afford a new car!

wendell borton

A scrappage scam is pointless in this country, we don't have an auto industry. the majority of the cost of a car leaves the country while the rest goes on vrt, which shouldn't be there anyway under EU law.
The environmental arguments in favour of it is also nonsense as a lot more resources are used to produce a new car rather than keep an old one going.

MadsL

wendell borton wrote: »

A scrappage scam

Bravo

This is nearly as daft as splitting the yearly number plate into six month periods just so the "more money than sense" people feel obliged to change the car more often.

MadsL

Deleted User wrote: »

This is nearly as daft as splitting the yearly number plate into six month periods just so the "more money than sense" people feel obliged to change the car more often.

Perhaps we should just reserve a seat in a Govt committee so that SIMI can more easily direct the Govt of the day into doing it's bidding. Would be more transparent at least.

cantdecide

Just to point out to everyone, they are looking for €2k DISCOUNT on the VRT, not to mention the remainder of the VRT, VAT on buying the car, VAT on fuel, duty on fuel, motor tax, etc etc

As a mate of mine once said, the only one making money out of motoring these days is the govt

woodoo

Sales are down because people have got over the boom time Dallas-eske desire to out do the Jones's next door. The majority can't afford a new car anyway.

astrofool

Deleted User wrote: »

This is nearly as daft as splitting the yearly number plate into six month periods just so the "more money than sense" people feel obliged to change the car more often.

People who always buy second hand should be jumping for joy at that change.

cantdecide

woodoo wrote: »

Sales are down because people have got over the boom time Dallas-eske desire to out do the Jones's next door. The majority can't afford a new car anyway.

How much did the govt make from us in better times on VRT alone? The sale of a new car always meant a massive pay-day for Bertie. The cost of our humble family hatches here would buy you a premium car elsewhere and that's even before you compare the cost of running a car in Ireland to our neighbours (who have viable public transport).

The money people naively believed as appropriate in this country is enough enough to keep up and surpass the Jones-Llewellyns's and THAT'S our big mistake. Not understand the scale of a new car purchase to US.

Fr_Dougal

astrofool wrote: »

People who always buy second hand should be jumping for joy at that change.

Why?

Days 298

Grayson wrote: »

yep and if it's applied to petrol cars only the ones that have the lowest emissions. Say the bottom 10% of emission producers. Of course that would annoy SIMI since they couldn't flog petrol guzzling monster SUV's.

Or if we are serious about the environment we don't incentivise new cars rather make driving an old car more affordable. If someone serious about the environment they should encourage people to keep the "gas guzzler" which in Ireland is any petrol over 1.6litres than build a new car for low emissions :rolleyes:. The current system does the exact opposite. SIMI don't flog petrol guzzlers. They flog cheap tax thus low emissions.

cantdecide

Days 298 wrote: »

Or if we are serious about the environment we don't incentivise new cars rather make driving an old car more affordable. If someone serious about the environment they should encourage people to keep the "gas guzzler" which #in Ireland is any petrol over 1.6litres than *build a new car for low emissions :rolleyes:. The current system does the exact opposite. SIMI don't flog petrol guzzlers. They flog cheap tax thus low emissions.

#cuz science is different in each country? If you do look at Ireland, look at our land mass and look at our population density- we do even represent a blip on the international radar. Why do we seem to have to carry a huge part of the can? No one is ramming superminis down our throats more than out governing scroungers.

*Cuz building new cars has no environmental impact whatsoever. In fact, good cars are driven into scrapyards every day **in Ireland because a large service or repair bill means 'shur the car isn't worth that'. Why isn't the car worth that? Because the road tax is so high. Why is the tax so high? Do I need to answer that?

Be under no illusions the only one who wants you coming back every year for your new little car is The Man. Something has to pay for his pension and a nice dependable 3-year cycle will do that for him.

Emissions shmemissions. My stunningly clean 2002 2.0 (worth maybe €500 because it's supposedly as bad as **a Hummer) hasn't done 100 miles in the last two years (I currently can't afford to tax it). How much emissions is my car responsible for?

Take your Yaris on a 120 km/h commute and see what kind of real work mpg you get.

All the emissions numbers are a farce. They build the cars to beat the tests. The best I ever got was 55mpg out of a car that supposedly does 65mpg. I gave it my best shot and I was genuinely surprised it did so well.