Free GP service for non-nationals only! - MOD NOTE IN 1ST POST

kfk

I came across this earlier on FaceBook. It is a pilot project providing free GP services to Romanians. Irish nationals do not qualify for this free service. The link is to a Sunday World article. While I would usually take what they say with a pinch of salt, there must be some truth behind it. I am fuming with the thought of this crazy idea. Why the fcuk do I, as an Irish tax paying citizen have to pay for my GP visits when non nationals can get GP visits for free?

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dj jarvis

there was a thread closed becasue the OP had no proof , and was closed due to it being hearsay

I am not sure the Sunday world is proof or fact , but this is what he was talking about

http://www.sundayworld.com/top-stories/news/free-gp-service#.Ui-K_KjtIt8.facebook

Make your own mind up !!

Chucken

What kind of BS article is that?

Roma equals Romanian????

dj jarvis

sorry , i have just seen someone has already posted this

MOD's please close this thread.

humanji

Threads merged instead because I hit the wrong button.

returnNull

dj jarvis wrote: »

sorry , i have just seen someone has already posted this

MOD's please close this thread.

ye donkey

hfallada

Most Romanians strongly dislike Roma Gypsies. Its like calling all Irish people "travelers".

Homeless people receive free health care in a certain soup kitchen in Dublin, meaning Irish homeless have access to free GP services.

Femme_Fatale

Reading that closed thread with the nonsensical title made me lose brain-cells.

I wouldn't trust The Sunday World - after all, it cannot spell "complementary" (in a headline) properly, nor can it distinguish between Romanian and Roma.

Michael Really Hay - eloquent as ever.

If it's true, it's crap, but I'd need to know more details rather than ones carefully selected and quoted out of context by that rag, in order to provoke maximum outrage.

rockbeast

OP Have you read the article?

The Onion wouldn't run ****e like that!

MadsL

LOL "What about our travellers so?"

Healy-Rae demands free GPs for travellers.

Couldn't make it up.

Banjo String

Roma does not mean Romanian.

Ronnie Woods (yes him of rolling stones/faces etc) Is actually Roma.

Chucken

Reading the comments on that article is making my hair hurt

dj jarvis

Chucken wrote: »

What kind of BS article is that?

Roma equals Romanian????

Ah come on - The majority of the Roma settled in Romania after coming from India originally , The majority of the Roma are from Romania , hold Romanian passports - so are Romanian - not exclusively so , but majority are

a bit like the English born travelers in the UK , could be 3 generations in the UK but will always seen as Irish , even if they hold an UK passport

And its not just the Irish that call the Roma Romanian , I have heard Germans , British and Finns refer to them as Romanian.

but all this said , typical SW crap , no different to the Telegraph in the UK , when the travelers in the UK get caught doing something they ALWAYS point out their Irish lineage

rockbeast

Banjo String wrote: »

Roma does not mean Romanian.

Ronnie Woods (yes him of rolling stones/faces etc) Is actually Roma.

If the Punday World's site hasn't been hacked then that is officially the worst article ever:p

mikemac1

Same story here though not from a tabloid
http://www.irishhealth.com/article.html?id=21793

Tallaght Roma Integration Project have been working on this since 2009

Some of the problems found were:

No access to a Medical Card and therefore no access to a GP.
Participants reported regular attendance at Tallaght Hospital for themselves and their children.
Participants reported on occasion using another person’s medical card to attend A & E.
Participants reported not being able to pay €100 A & E charge and therefore not returning for outpatient follow-up appointments.

That's off a powerpoint on the first link in google, I don't know how to give a link

The clinic is setup now and it stops the users going into A & E so that frees up the hospital. Don't we have many threads in AH about A & E getting clogged up by people who have no need to be there.

It's open once a week and the rest of the time it does other work like dealing with homeless in South Dublin Co Council.

Once a week the clinic is there for the Roma and it is free of charge. No medical card required, no 100 euro hospital fee and no GP fee which I suppose is around 45-55 these days.

The service is free to the users

ScumLord

kfk wrote: »

I came across this earlier on FaceBook. It is a pilot project providing free GP services to Romanians. Irish nationals do not qualify for this free service.

But we already have a service for Irish nationals don't we?

I'm not opposed to it, the fact is we can't have deceased people lying around the streets dying. It could lead to infecting other people and breed nasty new diseases.

mattjack

hfallada wrote: »

Most Romanians strongly dislike Roma Gypsies. Its like calling all Irish people "travelers".

Homeless people receive free health care in a certain soup kitchen in Dublin, meaning Irish homeless have access to free GP services.

Which soup kitchen ?

rockbeast

mattjack wrote: »

Which soup kitchen ?

What kind of soup?

MadsL

Giving homeless people free GP services: da bastyards!!!

Do people seriously consider it would be better to have these people clogging up A&E?

rockbeast

MadsL wrote: »

Giving homeless people free GP services: da bastyards!!!

Do people seriously consider it would be better to have these people clogging up A&E?

I blame Obama.

Bogota

You can always spot an idiot when they label Roma gypsies as Romanians.

Romanians are some of the hardest workers of any group in this country and contribute a ****load to this country in taxes and productivity.

Most Roma Gypsies in Ireland are actually from Bulgaria by the way. But like most people outraged with 'dem bleedin foraneers destroying our country" lets not get facts or anything else get in the way...otherwise we might have no one to blame for our own situation but ourselves! :eek:

Chucken

dj jarvis wrote: »

Ah come on - The majority of the Roma settled in Romania after coming from India originally , The majority of the Roma are from Romania , hold Romanian passports - so are Romanian - not exclusively so , but majority are

a bit like the English born travelers in the UK , could be 3 generations in the UK but will always seen as Irish , even if they hold an UK passport

And its not just the Irish that call the Roma Romanian , I have heard Germans , British and Finns refer to them as Romanian.

but all this said , typical SW crap , no different to the Telegraph in the UK , when the travelers in the UK get caught doing something they ALWAYS point out their Irish lineage

If I can differentiate between Roma and Romanian in the grand scheme of things, I would hope that whoever wrote that article would too.

Hootanany

dj jarvis wrote: »

there was a thread closed becasue the OP had no proof , and was closed due to it being hearsay

I am not sure the Sunday world is proof or fact , but this is what he was talking about

http://www.sundayworld.com/top-stories/news/free-gp-service#.Ui-K_KjtIt8.facebook

Make your own mind up !!

I was never asked for proof why was my thread closed.?

returnNull

Hootanany wrote: »

I was never asked for proof why was my thread closed.?

jarvis aint a mod so he/she :pac: wont be able to answer ye

dj jarvis

Chucken wrote: »

If I can differentiate between Roma and Romanian in the grand scheme of things, I would hope that whoever wrote that article would too.

I understand this - but people use Romanian to mean Roma , right or wrong they do - and with some validity

but you would think a jurno would not do the same thing

dj jarvis

Bogota wrote: »

You can always spot an idiot when they label Roma gypsies as Romanians.

Romanians are some of the hardest workers of any group in this country and contribute a ****load to this country in taxes and productivity.

Most Roma Gypsies in Ireland are actually from Bulgaria by the way. But like most people outraged with 'dem bleedin foraneers destroying our country" lets not get facts or anything else get in the way...otherwise we might have no one to blame for our own situation but ourselves! :eek:

Source ?

it ok i had a look for ya - the majority come from Romania , here is a breakdown for each country

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romani_people_by_country

this being said , it still does not answer where the majority in Ireland come from , can any one find a link to these figures ?

Legs.Eleven

I'm tempted to get stuck into this one but I want to go to bed in a good mood.

Chucken

mikemac1 wrote: »

Why is everyone getting bogged down over Roma/Romanian which isn't even what the story is about?

Because if the "journalist" chooses to mix the 2, its pure sh!t stirring.

I have Romanian friends who I'll call to in a while and tell them about their free GP visits!

Hootanany

returnNull wrote: »

jarvis aint a mod so he/she :pac: wont be able to answer ye

Sorry it was t aimed at Jarvis, just wondering why the thread was closed and not merged as its been vindicated.?

dj jarvis

LOL - i just went onto the Pavee point website looking for some info about the Roma , the Page i was sent to popped up as a virus threat on my PC !!!

My lips are sealed

returnNull

dj jarvis wrote: »

LOL - i just went onto the Pavee point website looking for some info about the Roma , the Page i was sent to popped up as a virus threat on my PC !!!

My lips are sealed

more than likely its the ads on the page that is causing chrome to flag it

humanji

Sorry it was t aimed at Jarvis, just wondering why the thread was closed and not merged as its been vindicated.?

There's an explanation as to why your thread was closed in the thread itself. As it was, without a link, it was just hearsay. These threads had links in them. I didn't merged the threads with yours because there's honestly nothing special that needs to be carried over. Now please get back to the topic.

Sir Humphrey Appleby

dj jarvis wrote: »

LOL - i just went onto the Pavee point website looking for some info about the Roma , the Page i was sent to popped up as a virus threat on my PC !!!

My lips are sealed

I had no problem accessing Pavee Point website, though why you go there regarding Roma is beyond me.
http://www.paveepoint.ie/pav_about_a.html

dj jarvis

returnNull wrote: »

more than likely its the ads on the page that is causing chrome to flag it

it was my Anti v that flagged it - anyway not anyway related to the thread , just thought it was ironic seeing people slag the Roma for criminality and being dodgy sort , and i try access info on them and even that is flagged as dodgy

dj jarvis

Sir Humphrey Appleby wrote: »

I had no problem accessing Pavee Point website, though why you go there regarding Roma is beyond me.
http://www.paveepoint.ie/pav_about_a.html

Because they represent the Roma ,

Type this into google "where do the roma in ireland come from" and 4 out of 5 top results link to the Pavee site for info

the 5th one down is the one that is being flagged

VONSHIRACH

ScumLord wrote: »

But we already have a service for Irish nationals don't we?

I'm not opposed to it, the fact is we can't have deceased people lying around the streets dying. It could lead to infecting other people and breed nasty new diseases.

like the Bond film, You only live twice?

dodderangler

ScumLord wrote: »

But we already have a service for Irish nationals don't we?

I'm not opposed to it, the fact is we can't have deceased people lying around the streets dying. It could lead to infecting other people and breed nasty new diseases.

Deceased people dying??
Pretty sure deceased people are dead. Not dying.

Chucken

VONSHIRACH wrote: »

like the Bond film, You only live twice?

dodderangler wrote: »

Deceased people dying??
Pretty sure deceased people are dead. Not dying.

Zombies.

dj jarvis

dodderangler wrote: »

Deceased people dying??
Pretty sure deceased people are dead. Not dying.

semantics

they are zombies by any other name

** jesus chucken , great minds and all that **

Pumpkinseeds

You could argue for and against this really. But realistically the people being treated are already in this country, like it or not. People complain about lengthy delays in A&E as is, so surely this service is a good thing, even in that respect. The alternative is leaving people to suffer and die on the streets. I would hate to see that happen to anyone, regardless of culture or nationality.

Chucken

Pumpkinseeds wrote: »

You could argue for and against this really. But realistically the people being treated are already in this country, like it or not. People complain about lengthy delays in A&E as is, so surely this service is a good thing, even in that respect. The alternative is leaving people to suffer and die on the streets. I would hate to see that happen to anyone, regardless of culture or nationality.

I'm happy to live in a country where everyone has access to healthcare.

dj jarvis

Pumpkinseeds wrote: »

You could argue for and against this really. But realistically the people being treated are already in this country, like it or not. People complain about lengthy delays in A&E as is, so surely this service is a good thing, even in that respect. The alternative is leaving people to suffer and die on the streets. I would hate to see that happen to anyone, regardless of culture or nationality.

but i think what is getting some peoples knickers in a twist is that becasue of this , there is a perception that they have a bespoke service and DONT have to wait in A+E like the rest of the population,
No one likes a que jumper as it were, even if this is a incorrect perception , the Sunday scum is pushing that idea

wp_rathead

Pumpkinseeds wrote: »

You could argue for and against this really. But realistically the people being treated are already in this country, like it or not. People complain about lengthy delays in A&E as is, so surely this service is a good thing, even in that respect. The alternative is leaving people to suffer and die on the streets. I would hate to see that happen to anyone, regardless of culture or nationality.

"coming over here.. expecting to LIVE.. disgrace Joe"

Karl Stein

The first divorce directly related to the September 11th terrorist attacks

DoozerT6

Charlie Rock wrote: »

The first divorce directly related to the September 11th terrorist attacks

Wrong thread?

Logical Fallacy

Femme_Fatale wrote: »

Reading that closed thread with the nonsensical title made me lose brain-cells.

I wouldn't trust The Sunday World - after all, it cannot spell "complementary" (in a headline) properly, nor can it distinguish between Romanian and Roma.

Michael Really Hay - eloquent as ever.

If it's true, it's crap, but I'd need to know more details rather than ones carefully selected and quoted out of context by that rag, in order to provoke maximum outrage.

About two seconds on Google tells me it is funded by the HSE Social Inclusion Department.

At the end of the day providing free health care to people who may otherwise struggle to get it is a good idea, socially responsible and saves money in the long run.

Injuries and illness caught now dont turn into bigger issues in future that require further and more expensive treatments.

I generally dont agree with such schemes but **** it, i see the logic behind this at least.

MadYaker

Whats your favorite type of Jam? My aunt made some gooseberry there the last day, it was quite tastelicious.

Gummy Panda

Quick question. Since this thread is about Roma has someone told us how no Roma are Romanian and that their mate is a hard working Romanian and hates them

Karl Stein

DoozerT6 wrote: »

Wrong thread?

Yeah, meant to put it in the 9/11 thread.

Bogota

dj jarvis wrote: »

Source ?

it ok i had a look for ya - the majority come from Romania , here is a breakdown for each country

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romani_people_by_country

this being said , it still does not answer where the majority in Ireland come from , can any one find a link to these figures ?

LOL I think again you missed the point. I didn't say most Roma are Bulgarian. I said most Roma living in Ireland are from Bulgaria. I don't have a link, I did my work experience in a firm that dealt with non-nationals, most roma gypsies that came in were Bulgarian in my experience.

mattjack

Bogota wrote: »

LOL I think again you missed the point. I didn't say most Roma are Bulgarian. I said most Roma living in Ireland are from Bulgaria. I don't have a link, I did my work experience in a firm that dealt with non-nationals, most roma gypsies that came in were Bulgarian in my experience.

Does "LOL" stand for laugh out loud or lots of love ? l can never get my head round this text speak/ pidgeon English.