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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 445 ✭✭Froststop


    RubyGirl wrote: »
    https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=342614299152945&set=pb.335044436576598.-2207520000.1378664177.&type=3&theater

    Came across this and looking for advice on anyone who has one or installed one. I have a back boiler on my open fire and was hoping to pull it all out and put in a stove. But I would be hoping this might save me some money.

    IMO the fire door would be a cheaper & better option. I have not come across that type before but anyone I know who have other versions are delighted with them.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40 dbdee77


    RubyGirl wrote: »
    https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=342614299152945&set=pb.335044436576598.-2207520000.1378664177.&type=3&theater

    Came across this and looking for advice on anyone who has one or installed one. I have a back boiler on my open fire and was hoping to pull it all out and put in a stove. But I would be hoping this might save me some money.

    Hi I have just recently purchased the boru firefront as I have a backboiler open fire, hopeing to get it fitted Thursday after I get chimney swept. I have heard good things about these fire doors regarding fuel consumption and better heat to back boiler, if anyone else has anymore info I would love to know more. Thanks


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40 dbdee77


    Froststop wrote: »
    IMO the fire door would be a cheaper & better option. I have not come across that type before but anyone I know who have other versions are delighted with them.

    Hi Froststop, do you know anyone using the boru fire front and what are their thoughts on it, Thanks


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,559 ✭✭✭Daisy M


    Froststop wrote: »
    IMO the fire door would be a cheaper & better option. I have not come across that type before but anyone I know who have other versions are delighted with them.

    Can I ask why you would think it would be a better option than a stove? Obviously it would be cheaper and less work but would a suitable stove not be better in terms of providing heat for the full house. I ask because we have a grant back boiler which works well but not near as well as boiler stoves.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 445 ✭✭Froststop


    dbdee77 wrote: »
    Hi Froststop, do you know anyone using the boru fire front and what are their thoughts on it, Thanks

    I have made some inquiries with people I know how have fire doors and they are delighted with them, but all have stanley. I don't know anyone with a Boru model. However I have seen them and they do look quite good regarding quality. If I come across anyone I'll post here.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 445 ✭✭Froststop


    Daisy M wrote: »
    Can I ask why you would think it would be a better option than a stove? Obviously it would be cheaper and less work but would a suitable stove not be better in terms of providing heat for the full house. I ask because we have a grant back boiler which works well but not near as well as boiler stoves.

    It has to do with the KW's to the boiler & Kw's to the room.
    Also the cost of fitting. A fire door makes your open fire like a stove and with a back boiler can provide greater heat to the rads.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,559 ✭✭✭Daisy M


    Froststop wrote: »
    It has to do with the KW's to the boiler & Kw's to the room.
    Also the cost of fitting. A fire door makes your open fire like a stove and with a back boiler can provide greater heat to the rads.

    Thanks for the reply. We are planning on replacing the back boiler with a min 20kw stove. We have 14 rads some double so obviously the grant boiler is not sufficient to heat all of them. In winter we use two bags of coal a week plus oil heating in morns and bedtime. We are hoping with a stove we would reduce coal and oil useage. I don't know anyone who has a fire door but from what I have read elsewhere I get the impression they are very good but not enough to fully heat an 1800sq ft house, what do you think?

    Apologies op for hijacking your thread.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40 dbdee77


    Froststop wrote: »
    I have made some inquiries with people I know how have fire doors and they are delighted with them, but all have stanley. I don't know anyone with a Boru model. However I have seen them and they do look quite good regarding quality. If I come across anyone I'll post here.

    Hi Froststop, thanks for getting back to me, the quality seems pretty good and I will be fitting mine Thursday so I will let you know the results.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40 dbdee77


    Daisy M wrote: »
    Can I ask why you would think it would be a better option than a stove? Obviously it would be cheaper and less work but would a suitable stove not be better in terms of providing heat for the full house. I ask because we have a grant back boiler which works well but not near as well as boiler stoves.

    Hi Daisy M, I have the same back boiler as yourself and mine is heating 10 rads and does it quite well, I was thinking about a stove but at the minute my setup works good and the price to get a stove and fitted, so I heard about the boru doras and how it provides better heat to back boiler and reduces coal usage. At winter I would keep my open fire in 24/7 but as you probably know they use some amount of coal so i'm hoping for the better results well here's hoping


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40 dbdee77


    RubyGirl wrote: »
    https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=342614299152945&set=pb.335044436576598.-2207520000.1378664177.&type=3&theater

    Came across this and looking for advice on anyone who has one or installed one. I have a back boiler on my open fire and was hoping to pull it all out and put in a stove. But I would be hoping this might save me some money.

    Hi RubyGirl, that's the yola fire door from what I have heard its very good, they do a firefront door with convection chamber to give you more heat, from what I here they are quite expensive.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,559 ✭✭✭Daisy M


    dbdee77 wrote: »
    Hi Daisy M, I have the same back boiler as yourself and mine is heating 10 rads and does it quite well, I was thinking about a stove but at the minute my setup works good and the price to get a stove and fitted, so I heard about the boru doras and how it provides better heat to back boiler and reduces coal usage. At winter I would keep my open fire in 24/7 but as you probably know they use some amount of coal so i'm hoping for the better results well here's hoping


    Do you mind me asking how much the door costs? Also if you would be able to update in a few weeks how your getting along re heat and fuel useage it would be great, thanks.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40 dbdee77


    Daisy M wrote: »
    Do you mind me asking how much the door costs? Also if you would be able to update in a few weeks how your getting along re heat and fuel useage it would be great, thanks.

    Hi Daisy M, I got an ex display door up in the north for £300, as far as I know they normally sell for between 400-500e. I will do that i'm hoping for good results and listening to other people they seem reduce usage, provide better heat to back boiler and help stop the chimney causing drafts that meaning your house should hold the heat a bit better, Thanks D.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 445 ✭✭Froststop


    Daisy M wrote: »
    Thanks for the reply. We are planning on replacing the back boiler with a min 20kw stove. We have 14 rads some double so obviously the grant boiler is not sufficient to heat all of them. In winter we use two bags of coal a week plus oil heating in morns and bedtime. We are hoping with a stove we would reduce coal and oil useage. I don't know anyone who has a fire door but from what I have read elsewhere I get the impression they are very good but not enough to fully heat an 1800sq ft house, what do you think?

    Apologies op for hijacking your thread.

    Hi Daisy M, you need to ask what KW the stove provides to the boiler before you purchase the stove. You can then get an idea how it will heat your rads.
    e.g 20Kw stove might provide 14KW to the boiler & 6Kw to the room.

    Calculate your double rads & hot water cylinder at 3000btu each, & single rads at 1500btu to average your btu's required. Add them all up and you'll work out total btu required. This will provide an idea of the size of the stove needed.
    The following is example only:
    Lets say you have 8 doubles and 6 singles.
    3000x8= 24,000
    1500x6= 9,000
    Hot water cylinder= 3,000
    total 36,000 BTU or approx 10.5 KW to the boiler is required minimum.

    Note: this does not prove the stove will heat all rads as heat loss and heat generation will come into play depending onsite situations. The stove may not heat rads from cold, may need boiler to pre-heat.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,275 ✭✭✭RubyGirl


    http://www.sprattfireplaces.ie/Firefronts.html

    Came across these two door earlier, waiting on price. Why can't they put them on the site.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,559 ✭✭✭Daisy M


    Thanks for the reply froststop. We are currently doing research, it will be a few months at least before we will be able to get it in. It looks like we need 17kw for rads and boiler and approx. 4kw for the room. However its hard to get a high kw stove with 4/5kw to room they all seem designed for large open plan rooms. We only have one fireplace which is setup with a back boiler so putting it in this room would be the least expensive and hassle free route.

    Rubygirl, now I think of it I know a relation who got a fire door in a local hardware firm, Archers in Ballina, it was less than 200e and they though it worked well, they said they use not be able to sit in the room even if there was a fire on as it was so cold but that the fire door transformed the heat, they didn't have a back boiler though.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40 dbdee77


    Daisy M wrote: »
    Thanks for the reply froststop. We are currently doing research, it will be a few months at least before we will be able to get it in. It looks like we need 17kw for rads and boiler and approx. 4kw for the room. However its hard to get a high kw stove with 4/5kw to room they all seem designed for large open plan rooms. We only have one fireplace which is setup with a back boiler so putting it in this room would be the least expensive and hassle free route.

    Rubygirl, now I think of it I know a relation who got a fire door in a local hardware firm, Archers in Ballina, it was less than 200e and they though it worked well, they said they use not be able to sit in the room even if there was a fire on as it was so cold but that the fire door transformed the heat, they didn't have a back boiler though.

    Hi Daisy M, that's one of the reasons we got the door because of the drafts the fireplace was causing even when not lit, that's good to know their door worked for them. :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,559 ✭✭✭Daisy M


    dbdee77 wrote: »
    Hi Daisy M, that's one of the reasons we got the door because of the drafts the fireplace was causing even when not lit, that's good to know their door worked for them. :)
    Yesterday it was really windy here, it was amazing how much heat this took from the fire and how less warm the rads were. I must take a look in Archers if they still have them I wouldn't mind spending a couple of hundred as a temporary fix, however we have an arch with an hood coming out so it may not be suitable.
    Hopefully this will work well for you.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40 dbdee77


    Well that's the firefront fitted, need to get a couple of things for inside so will have fire lit on weekend. One thing I have noticed straight away is that there is no draft going through living room you can actually feel the difference just with the door being fitted ant that's with no fire lit so hopefully when I get it lit it's all good, Thanks D.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,275 ✭✭✭RubyGirl


    dbdee77 wrote: »
    Well that's the firefront fitted, need to get a couple of things for inside so will have fire lit on weekend. One thing I have noticed straight away is that there is no draft going through living room you can actually feel the difference just with the door being fitted ant that's with no fire lit so hopefully when I get it lit it's all good, Thanks D.

    Please do keep us updated. Def getting one fitted here aswell but will be a bit more complicated for me. Have stone on fire front so getting someone to do the job for me is a bit hard.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40 dbdee77


    RubyGirl wrote: »
    Please do keep us updated. Def getting one fitted here aswell but will be a bit more complicated for me. Have stone on fire front so getting someone to do the job for me is a bit hard.

    Hi Rubygirl, will def keep you's informed hopefully it does what i'm expecting of it as I use this fire as my main form of heating. I was on the Ireland stoves website and they have images of boru fire front and one is on a stone fireplace or maybe yours is a rougher stone, Thanks D :)


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40 dbdee77


    Hi all, got the boru firefront fitted last Thursday and have had a couple of small fires just burning wood, I find it controllable and it looks well. Last night I lit it using smokeless coal which I normally burn all winter, I scrunched up some newspaper and put dry kindling over the top and lit this leaving door slightly open when it caught well I started to add coal this was at 4.30, at 6.00 the fire was well alight so I closed top vent half way and left bottom vent slightly open shortly after the flames started to die down and the coal was glowing away, at 1.00 I went to bed the fire still glowing, the radiators were warm and this was with the dampener for back boiler in closed position, when I got up at 7.00 the lounge was still nice and warm at 22c the fire still had red coals in it and I was quite impressed. I normally use a bucket of coal in an evening last night it was a scuttle of coal which is less and it lasted longer with far better heat, the good thing is I reckon I wouldn't have a problem keeping this fire in all night as it seems to contain the heat in it better instead of throwing it all up the chimney, sorry for the long write up lol :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22 amlostforwords


    Hi, I have a gas heating (closed system) but I also have a back boiler that we can not use (open system) but that is isolated (not disconnected) from the centrel heating. I am thinking of not using the gas and going back to the the open fire with a fire door fitted has anyone else done this and if so what were the pros and cons, or am I mad?? Dreading the gas bills for the winter


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,275 ✭✭✭RubyGirl


    Would anybody with the fire door take a picture and put it up for me. Want to see how it looks and how you attached it to the existing fireplace. My back boiler is solid steel so how would I attach the door to that.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,275 ✭✭✭RubyGirl


    No go on getting my door fitted, can't be done with the stone on the front of the fire place. Would'nt mind was getting the boru door for €370 today.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,559 ✭✭✭Daisy M


    RubyGirl wrote: »
    No go on getting my door fitted, can't be done with the stone on the front of the fire place. Would'nt mind was getting the boru door for €370 today.[/QUOTE



    That is a pity, could you possibly replace the stone?

    Also where were you getting it for €370 is that including fitting?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,275 ✭✭✭RubyGirl


    Daisy M wrote: »
    RubyGirl wrote: »
    No go on getting my door fitted, can't be done with the stone on the front of the fire place. Would'nt mind was getting the boru door for €370 today.[/QUOTE



    That is a pity, could you possibly replace the stone?

    Also where were you getting it for €370 is that including fitting?

    No, just supply. Natural Green Energy had 10year sale on Saturday. Reckon's I'll never get it sealed right. Better going for an insert. At least he was telling me the truth and not just selling me it. They serviced my boiler so I got him to have a look for me.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40 dbdee77


    Hi all just an update on fire door, using same smokeless coal I used before on open fire which was hayes glolite smokeless ovoids, I have had good results with boru door fuel lasting longer, less fuel being used and the heat to boiler more sustained. I banked up this fire at 6ish let it fire up till 7 then closed both vents down, next morning at 8 was able to revive and add a layer of fuel once I got that going again I banked up and then shut down vents and that last till the evening. Our livingroom is alot warmer with this door and I reckon that the open fire was so inefficient that it took every bit of heat generated up the chimney, now I am thinking that the door is very good what would a good multifuel stove be like.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40 dbdee77


    RubyGirl wrote: »
    Daisy M wrote: »

    No, just supply. Natural Green Energy had 10year sale on Saturday. Reckon's I'll never get it sealed right. Better going for an insert. At least he was telling me the truth and not just selling me it. They serviced my boiler so I got him to have a look for me.

    Sorry to hear that you can't get door fitted they are definitely a good asset but I reckon if you were to fit a stove you won't be disappointed because after using the door and the results I have had with it and they say stoves are more economical your house will be alot warmer.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40 dbdee77


    Hi this is my boru Dora's fitted and coal been glowing away.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22 amlostforwords


    Hi I have being following this thread and I am interested to know how the fire door is working out for you over the last few months? also if you don,t mind me asking is this the only heating system you have or do you have gas or oil also, the reason I ask is that I have natural Gas and a back boiler fire place ( which I cant use with the gas)

    Thanks again


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