Louisiana calls for a United Ireland

Foxhound38

Yep, you read that right. Or at least their State Senate did at any rate, and they're not the only ones.

It seems the yanks, not content to throw money at extreme "pro-life" lunatic campaigners, also wish to stick their noses into the NI issue too.

No doubt they will be doing so with full regard to the complexity and nuances of the subject at hand :rolleyes:

P_1

That's nice of them I guess, not quite sure what they can do about the situation though seeing as their remit is limited to something slightly above deciding who gets to be dog catcher.

longshanks

Do you say Louise E Anna, or is it Looz Iyana with a southern drawl?

It's option 2 for me.

nunchuks

Very considerate. Pity no one thought to tell the taliban to get along with the americans

briany

It's just a pledge of support, something that looks good on paper and a bit of a fashionable cause. It'd be the same thing for Tibetan independence or establishment of permanent moon bases by 2040. Handy things for the politicians because they're non committal but still gather a few nice political brownie points. Happy days.

wonderfullife

Foxhound38 wrote: »

No doubt they will be doing so with full regard to the complexity and nuances of the subject at hand :rolleyes:

To be fair at a base level it's not that complex or nuanced a situation.

The little squiggly line that's drawn across the map of Ireland shouldn't have ever been there. So i'd agree with their motion :pac:

Obviously it's a wee bit more complicated than that now.

Spain - Gibraltar, Argentina - Falklands, Ireland - North.........

Sure the Brits are even in dispute with Chile and Norway over parts of Antarctica, and the last time i looked at a map they're not exactly 10 minutes down the road from Antarctica.

briany

nunchuks wrote: »

Very considerate. Pity no one thought to tell the taliban to get along with the americans

Maybe the reason they're showing all this support for a UI is because of their debt of gratitude to the IRA for wiping out the Taliban a couple of years back......

...in a car park.

Augmerson

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHsoPPynIIc

2024.

Cookie_Monster

And we support you Louisiana in eventually rebuilding New Orleans
*hugs*

OPENROAD7

They should concentrate on sorting out their gun issues first imo

TheBrewMeister

OPENROAD7 wrote: »

They should concentrate on sorting out their gun issues first imo

What gun issues?

Zebra3

Foxhound38 wrote: »

.It seems the yanks, not content to throw money at extreme "pro-life" lunatic campaigners, also wish to stick their noses into the NI issue too.

You should read up on how they want to stick their noses into Syria....

OPENROAD7

TheBrewMeister wrote: »

What gun issues?

Gun violence, open carrying of guns allowed.

Sofiztikated

OPENROAD7 wrote: »

Gun violence, open carrying of guns allowed.

I'm fairly sure we've had a bit of gun violence over the whole border thing here.

Does Louisiana have a particularly high gun crime rate? (High for the States?)

TheBrewMeister

OPENROAD7 wrote: »

Gun violence, open carrying of guns allowed.

What's wrong with open carry?

I don't guns as the problem, I see the people as the problem.

Would Ireland be free of British rule without arms???

Would the US be free of British rule without arms?

TheBrewMeister

Sofiztikated wrote: »

I'm fairly sure we've had a bit of gun violence over the whole border thing here.

Does Louisiana have a particularly high gun crime rate? (High for the States?)

LA does not have a particularly high gun crime rate as a whole. Certain areas do though however, and that's a people problem, not a gun problem.

The problem with the statistics people use to push anti-gun propaganda is that they don't take into account where the gun violence is happening. Chicago for example has the strictest gun laws in the States. Guns are illegal there. Yet, they have the highest gun violence in the whole country. But, that doesn't mean that the nice people that live outside of Chicago are all gun-crazy murderous people.

OPENROAD7

Sofiztikated wrote: »

I'm fairly sure we've had a bit of gun violence over the whole border thing here.

Does Louisiana have a particularly high gun crime rate? (High for the States?)

It does, among highest, one thing that has shocked me about living in the States is the gun culture, one thing that worries me is that my little girl will grow up in that culture.

WindSock

And it will happen on a Wednesday! And there will be much rejoicing. And celebration. And our new national holiday will be named Dé Cajun.

TheBrewMeister

OPENROAD7 wrote: »

It does, among highest, one thing that has shocked me about living in the States is the gun culture, one thing that worries me is that my little girl will grow up in that culture.

If youre in an area full of thugs, then I suggest you move away from that area.

The TRUTH is, the areas in the US with the HIGHEST levels of legal gun ownership are the safest in the country.

TheBrewMeister

I bet the Native Americans would still be around if they had guns...

OPENROAD7

TheBrewMeister wrote: »

If youre in an area full of thugs, then I suggest you move away from that area.

The TRUTH is, the areas in the US with the HIGHEST levels of legal gun ownership are the safest in the country.

I am not living in such an area, but the statistics prove otherwise.

Sofiztikated

TheBrewMeister wrote: »

LA does not have a particularly high gun crime rate as a whole. Certain areas do though however, and that's a people problem, not a gun problem.

The problem with the statistics people use to push anti-gun propaganda is that they don't take into account where the gun violence is happening. Chicago for example has the strictest gun laws in the States. Guns are illegal there. Yet, they have the highest gun violence in the whole country. But, that doesn't mean that the nice people that live outside of Chicago are all gun-crazy murderous people.

Just had a quick oul Google there.

Per 100,000, Louisiana has a hell of a lot more murders, and gun murders than Illinois. However, as you said, IL does have far more restrictions on guns than LA.

I'd be interested in seeing how many, in all states, were from legally held weapons.

I used to be of the opinion that gun ownership in the States was crazy, but now I don't know. I'm not sure where I stand.

TheBrewMeister

OPENROAD7 wrote: »

I am not living in such an area, but the statistics prove otherwise.

No they don't. Get away from the coasts, to the center of the country and you'll find the highest gun ownership per capita, and, the LEAST amount of crime.

So, apparently guns aren't killing people. People are killing people.

TheBrewMeister

Washington DC has the MOST restrictive laws in the country, it also has the LEAST amount of gun ownership (3.6%). It has the HIGHEST gun-murders in the country (16.5% per 100,000 people).

Wyoming has the highest rate of gun ownership (60%) and among the lowest gun-murder rates in the country (0.9% per 100,000 people).

So explain this.

Cookie_Monster

TheBrewMeister wrote: »

Washington DC has the MOST restrictive laws in the country, it also has the LEAST amount of gun ownership (3.6%). It has the HIGHEST gun-murders in the country (16.5% per 100,000 people).

Wyoming has the highest rate of gun ownership (60%) and among the lowest gun-murder rates in the country (0.9% per 100,000 people).

So explain this.

DC has the highest number of politicians hanging around per head as well, we can easily infer that an increase in politicians directly leads to more murders.
Just kill off all of them and there'll be no more murders.

PickledLime

TheBrewMeister wrote: »

Washington DC has the MOST restrictive laws in the country, it also has the LEAST amount of gun ownership (3.6%). It has the HIGHEST gun-murders in the country (16.5% per 100,000 people).

Wyoming has the highest rate of gun ownership (60%) and among the lowest gun-murder rates in the country (0.9% per 100,000 people).

So explain this.

The national average for gun murders per head of population in the US is still a ridiculous figure that's clearly a product of the ease of procurement, so your point is moot.

Sofiztikated

TheBrewMeister wrote: »

No they don't. Get away from the coasts, to the center of the country and you'll find the highest gun ownership per capita, and, the LEAST amount of crime.

So, apparently guns aren't killing people. People are killing people.

District of Columbia has a really high population density, low % gun ownership, but the gun murders per 100,000 is stupid high.

So yes, it is people that are the issue.

OPENROAD7

Sofiztikated wrote: »

Just had a quick oul Google there.

Per 100,000, Louisiana has a hell of a lot more murders, and gun murders than Illinois. However, as you said, IL does have far more restrictions on guns than LA.

I'd be interested in seeing how many, in all states, were from legally held weapons.

I used to be of the opinion that gun ownership in the States was crazy, but now I don't know. I'm not sure where I stand.

Well apparently in the case of mass murders it is close to 3/4 owned legally.

Cavehill Red

Thank you, Louisiana.

TheBrewMeister

PickledLime wrote: »

The national average for gun murders per head of population in the US is still a ridiculous figure that's clearly a product of the ease of procurement, so your point is moot.

What's a ridiculous figure?

We've established that the guns aren't murdering people, that the people are murdering people, so it seems that my point is not moot - as you say.

My point is, that Americans are violent F***s. Take away the guns, and we'll just murder each other with knives or bats or bombs, or poison.

I'll tell you this much, I will not give up my guns (until I arrive in IRE), because who is going to protect my family and myself from these murderous F***s? The police sure aren't.

TheBrewMeister

OPENROAD7 wrote: »

Well apparently in the case of mass murders it is close to 3/4 owned legally.

Mass murders? What mass murders?
I'd like to see the source of this.

PickledLime

TheBrewMeister wrote: »

What's a ridiculous figure?

We've established that the guns aren't murdering people, that the people are murdering people, so it seems that my point is not moot - as you say.

My point is, that Americans are violent F***s. Take away the guns, and we'll just murder each other with knives or bats or bombs, or poison.

I'll tell you this much, I will not give up my guns (until I arrive in IRE), because who is going to protect my family and myself from these murderous F***s? The police sure aren't.

The homicide rate by guns in the US vs. the same statistic in similar countries.

Look, I genuinely sympathise with you; I think it's abhorrent for a so-called civilized society to live in fear of each other to the point where it needs to arm its citizens so they can get a good night's sleep, but guns represent an "easy" option.

You just point and shoot them. An idiot can operate them. Knives require you to get close and if you're not quick enough, physically overcome someone. Poison requires a knowledge of how to administer it, lethal doses, and again doesn't have the "ease of use" of just pointing and shooting. Bombs, well they work against a group of people but still don't have that ease.

Suicide rates would be lower without firearms too; it's incredibly quick and a whole lot less traumatic than most other common ways. It's something that someone can do in a much more spur of the moment kind of way. An overdose takes a while to ingest and hours if not days to take effect, jumping from a height/drowning requires you to travel somewhere and throw your entire body, hanging also involves planning and a physical trauma that you have time to break away from (as will be your natural instinct). A gun involves loading a chamber and sticking to your head.

All I'm saying is that it would be a better world without guns, but that means no one has them. Yes, there's still gonna be evil people, but if we could take guns away it would make things more difficult for them to be like that.

I also hope that you never have to use your personal firearms and that if come to Ireland I hope that you feel secure and safe enough in this country for the thought of your next door neighbour owning a gun to turn your stomach, like it does mine.

TheBrewMeister

PickledLime wrote: »

The homicide rate by guns in the US vs. the same statistic in similar countries.

Look, I genuinely sympathise with you; I think it's abhorrent for a so-called civilized society to live in fear of each other to the point where it needs to arm its citizens so they can get a good night's sleep, but guns represent an "easy" option.

You just point and shoot them. An idiot can operate them. Knives require you to get close and if you're not quick enough, physically overcome someone. Poison requires a knowledge of how to administer it, lethal doses, and again doesn't have the "ease of use" of just pointing and shooting. Bombs, well they work against a group of people but still don't have that ease.

Suicide rates would be lower without firearms too; it's incredibly quick and a whole lot less traumatic than most other common ways. It's something that someone can do in a much more spur of the moment kind of way. An overdose takes a while to ingest and hours if not days to take effect, jumping from a height/drowning requires you to travel somewhere and throw your entire body, hanging also involves planning and a physical trauma that you have time to break away from (as will be your natural instinct). A gun involves loading a chamber and sticking to your head.

All I'm saying is that it would be a better world without guns, but that means no one has them. Yes, there's still gonna be evil people, but if we could take guns away it would make things more difficult for them to be like that.

I also hope that you never have to use your personal firearms and that if come to Ireland I hope that you feel secure and safe enough in this country for the thought of your next door neighbour owning a gun to turn your stomach, like it does mine.

I understand your stance. But I'm also realistic. You cannot uninvent guns. We're stuck with them.

As a Statesman, I have (and I believe a lot of us do) a natural sense of rebellion in me. I don't trust the govt, banks, rich people etc. I loathe authority. This country was founded by terrorists; much the way Ireland regained it's independence. We love guns because we know that without them, a populace is easily conquered and controlled.

Without our guns, we'd still be paying tribute to the crown. (I'm pretty sure we still are thanks to Abe Lincoln, but we're not doing it openly).

At the same time, I can understand how an honest, law-abiding person such as yourself could hope for a world without guns and violence. But, it's just not going to happen.

My neighbors have told me that theyre glad to have me - an honest, law-abiding citizen - living next door and owning guns. I make them feel safe. The average response time for the police around here is about 15 mins. I can be armed and next door in 2 mins.

If your neighbors make you uneasy, then they either are not good neighbors or you were raised to fear guns. Again, a loaded gun can sit in a place for centuries and never harm anyone. It's not until the hands of man hold it, that it has the power to kill.

MadsL

Unexpected gun thread is it?

OPENROAD7 wrote: »

It does, among highest, one thing that has shocked me about living in the States is the gun culture, one thing that worries me is that my little girl will grow up in that culture.

Teach her to shoot or at least how to unload a gun.

OPENROAD7 wrote: »

Well apparently in the case of mass murders it is close to 3/4 owned legally.

Source?

TheBrewMeister

MadsL wrote: »

Unexpected gun thread is it?

My fault. Apologies.

Gummy Panda

They should worry more about their vampire problem

TheBrewMeister

Gummy Panda wrote: »

They should worry more about their vampire problem

All the vampires are in D.C.

Billy86

The mother lectures in Irish history, and very occasionally does so in the US (nothing high profile, but a free holiday and handy pay day). About three years ago she brought back someone she had gradually befriended on these trips, from New York. This person had secretary arrived with a master plan, her lifelong work, which was to "open dialogue between the unionists and republicans in the north" in a hope to develop peace and stability up there.

We were amazed. Nobody had the heart to tell her, though. So after two days, she went up to Belfast for a weekend. She came back on the Monday, and barely left her room for the rest of the week she was here - she basically had a complete mental breakdown over the fact that she was about half her life too late in the very least (being somewhere in her 50s). To this day, we remain baffled and unsure whether to laugh or cry about the whole situation...

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

TheBrewMeister wrote: »

My fault. Apologies.

madsl loves a good gun thread, he's one of 4-5 people on boards who actually knows what he's talking about so he just grabs a shovel and starts clearing out all the ****e other people post

clairefontaine

OPENROAD7 wrote: »

It does, among highest, one thing that has shocked me about living in the States is the gun culture, one thing that worries me is that my little girl will grow up in that culture.

Well she is growing up in that culture. Can't change it so deal with it. Teach her gun safety. What to do if she ever sees one or finds one.

Fratton Fred

Has Louisiana recognised the mass murder and expulsion of native Americans as genocide yet?

clairefontaine

Fratton Fred wrote: »

Has Louisiana recognised the mass murder and expulsion of native Americans as genocide yet?

You should bring that up with the French in fairness.

Rasheed

I love the articles on Irish Central.

hansfrei

OP trys to start abortion thread. Fails

Any vanila coke in that Ohio place Brewmister?

Kur4mA

'Murica

wexie

Should the good ol' folks in Louisana not be looking to sort out the Uncle Daddy syndrome before they graduate to world politics?

Witcher

PickledLime wrote: »

the thought of your next door neighbour owning a gun to turn your stomach, like it does mine.

It's good that you don't go OTT or anything:pac:

timthumbni

In retaliation Ballymena council have just passed a motion calling for all lands in the U.S. to be returned immediately to the native Indians.

In your face Louisiana. Hope the vampires kill you all you banjo playing frogs. ;-)

conorhal

Foxhound38 wrote: »

Yep, you read that right. Or at least their State Senate did at any rate, and they're not the only ones.

It seems the yanks, not content to throw money at extreme "pro-life" lunatic campaigners, also wish to stick their noses into the NI issue too.

No doubt they will be doing so with full regard to the complexity and nuances of the subject at hand :rolleyes:

Has any gob****e there organized a 'freedom flotilla' or rag tag boats to set sail for these shores yet?

We're hardly ones to talk.

Louisiana should sort out the Bayou Corn Sinkhole first .:p

Iwasfrozen

So when is Louisiana rejoining France?