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British Royals to get invited to 'Celebrate' 1916 Rising.

  • 08-09-2013 09:30AM
    #1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,381 ✭✭✭✭


    Is it just me, or does anyone else find this a bit odd?

    http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/royals-to-get-1916-celebrations-invite-29561353.html
    THE Irish Government will invite members of the British royal family to remember the Easter Rising at the centenary celebrations in three years time, Tanaiste and Minister for Foreign Affairs Eamon Gilmore has confirmed.

    Mr Gilmore issued the invitation last night at Queens' College, Cambridge, where Oliver Cromwell was educated. He told the British-Irish Association that he hoped the Irish Government "can host representatives of the royal family and the British government, along with the leaders of unionism, in Dublin in three years' time in remembering the Easter Rising."

    Mr Gilmore added that three months after the Easter Rising commemorations he also hoped: "We can all respectfully remember those who gave their lives in British uniform at the Battle of the Somme."
    Putting aside how many Irish may feel about it, I can't see why Liz, Charlie, the Grandkids and the UK Government would even want to come over here and 'Celebrate' the 1916 rising.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,073 ✭✭✭gobnaitolunacy


    I'd say a polite 'thanks but no thanks' will be the reply.

    I'd be very surprised if any of them turned up.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,381 ✭✭✭✭Allyall


    I wouldn't mind seeing what seats they'd be given to watch the re-enactments. :)


  • Posts: 5,079 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    To be honest celebrating the 1916 rising is a bad idea. They had no mandate and are no different to the PIRA/CIRA/RIRA.
    We should be celebrating the 1919 election. Celebrate democracy or the war of independence

    We are taught from childhood that the 1916 leaders were heroes. Brainwashed really.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,009 ✭✭✭Tangatagamadda Chaddabinga Bonga Bungo


    To be honest celebrating the 1916 rising is a bad idea. They had no mandate and are no different to the PIRA/CIRA/RIRA.
    We should be celebrating the 1919 election. Celebrate democracy or the war of independence

    We are taught from childhood that the 1916 leaders were heroes. Brainwashed really.

    Ah, but what would that election have looked like without the Easter Rising?

    I'm fairly ambivalent towards the whole thing anyway but the new narrative of they done really, really bad is just as brainwashed as the people who think they were god like heroes. Both are far too simplistic a narrative to subscribe to IMHO.

    The thing is, the Easter Rising had it's place in bringing in our democracy and I think you'll find Ireland wasn't the first, nor the last to gain freedom/independence through the spilling of blood.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,499 ✭✭✭✭DEFTLEFTHAND


    After Home Rule was passed in 1914 and it's implication suspended with the breakout of WW1 I find it hard to see why any British MP or Royal member would want to attend such an event. They hit them at the worst possible time. There was a peaceful solution to our strife, Home Rule would have led to Independence.

    Irish men like John Redmond and John Dillon spent their lives trying to achieve what they did, that was all washed out in a sea of blood in 1916. Public opinion flipped after the British began executing the upstarts and the rest is history.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,848 ✭✭✭bleg


    This is going to be hilarious.

    The amount of hyperbole and posturing from sinn fein and "republicans" will be gas.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,824 ✭✭✭RoyalMarine


    Maybe the British Army will come in their place.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8 war29


    There is nothing to celebrate the country is still divided.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,516 ✭✭✭wazky


    Maybe we could do a reenactment and get Lizzy behind the wheel on one of the old timey tanks?.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 503 ✭✭✭dublinbhoy88


    The government has no business celebrating the rising never mind inviting the royals


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,339 ✭✭✭Deedsie


    I think it's only right, representatives of the heads of UK should be afforded an invitation. Wouldn't it be the best way to bring the entire British/Irish affair full circle? It would be the perfect symbolism to say the past is behind us. We move on together as allies and friends.

    Imagine if the UK Queen or one of her family was sitting outside the GPO on the 24th of April 2016, possibly beside or near Gerry Adams who could well be in Government by then. Our next GE has to be held on or before April 8th 2016...

    Potentially Tánaiste Adams if a coalition government excluding FG was formed. Just hypothetical, no one could possibly know what will happen. Opinion polls suggest a steady rise for FF and SF and stability for FG.

    An FF/SF/~independents is a possible government come April 2016.

    I'm not saying I want this to happen but I don't think a lot of people realize the potential for this happening in 32 months time.

    FF/SF/~independents seems a lot more viable than FG/Labour/~independents do at this time. A crushed Labour Party will be loathe to share with FG again.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,901 ✭✭✭Howard Juneau


    I think we should have the biggest Pride Parade ever to celebrate and have the fantabulous! Gerry Adams as grand marshal


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,465 ✭✭✭Sir Humphrey Appleby


    The government has no business celebrating the rising never mind inviting the royals

    Why?
    And its more of a commemoration than a celebration.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,678 ✭✭✭Crooked Jack


    bleg wrote: »
    This is going to be hilarious.

    The amount of hyperbole and posturing from sinn fein and "republicans" will be gas.

    Yeah, like all the hyperbole and posturing from martin mcguinness when he met the queen. oh wait, he just shook her hand and that was that. grow up. the only hyperbole and posturing you ever see on this site is from the relentlessly dull anti-republican crowd who use and topic in any thread to have a pop at Sinn Fein and then feel all smug about it. there certainly are bitter people holding this country back but judging by the demographics on this site, it's not republicans


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,772 ✭✭✭✭Victor


    British Royals to get invited to 'Celebrate' 1916 Rising.
    I think the word is 'commemorate', not 'celebrate'.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 503 ✭✭✭dublinbhoy88


    Why?
    And its more of a commemoration than a celebration.
    in todays terminology the rising would be classed as an act of terrorism as they had no mandate to do so,also the setting up of the British empire free state sold out the ideals of the proclamation,how many republicans has the state executed and jailed in the last 90 years,pile of hypocrisy


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,465 ✭✭✭Sir Humphrey Appleby


    in todays terminology the rising would be classed as an act of terrorism as they had no mandate to do so,also the setting up of the British empire free state sold out the ideals of the proclamation,how many republicans has the state executed and jailed in the last 90 years,pile of hypocrisy

    No doubt it was an act of aggression although even by todays terms blocking yourself into building after declaring independence would not of itself constitute terrorism.
    As for the rest of your post "British Empire Free State" etc you need to get over yourself.
    The single biggest threat to the security of this state since its formation has been from so called "republicans".


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,813 ✭✭✭Sir Osis of Liver.


    Eamonn Glimore is the biggest letdown of a politician this country has ever seen.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 503 ✭✭✭dublinbhoy88


    No doubt it was an act of aggression although even by todays terms blocking yourself into building after declaring independence would not of itself constitute terrorism.
    As for the rest of your post "British Empire Free State" etc you need to get over yourself.
    The single biggest threat to the security of this state since its formation has been from so called "republicans".
    stop making excuses,of course they would be classed as terrorists,stop making excuses FFS


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,465 ✭✭✭Sir Humphrey Appleby


    stop making excuses,of course they would be classed as terrorists,stop making excuses FFS

    No they wouldn't since the merely took control of several sites in the city and then declared independence, terrorism would require them to do a lot more than that.
    Certainly the IRA of 1918-21 would meet that definition (as indeed would the Tans!).
    Methinks you need to look deeper at both the definition of terrorism and at exactly what those ,in my view, misguided men and women did that Easter weekend!


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 503 ✭✭✭dublinbhoy88


    No they wouldn't since the merely took control of several sites in the city and then declared independence, terrorism would require them to do a lot more than that.
    Certainly the IRA of 1918-21 would meet that definition (as indeed would the Tans!).
    Methinks you need to look deeper at both the definition of terrorism and at exactly what those ,in my view, misguided men and women did that Easter weekend!
    the tans and the bloody Sunday paratroopers and others also?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,533 ✭✭✭Jester252


    There is nothing odd about inviting dignitaries from,our next-door nation, our largest trade nation, a nation in which we have a free movement agreement, commemorate an important date in our country history. I assume dignitaries from the US, EU states and other countries will be invited.
    Also not inviting them might look a little bad especially since dignitaries from other countries will more than likely attend.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,824 ✭✭✭RoyalMarine


    Eamonn Glimore is the biggest letdown of a politician this country has ever seen so far.

    FYP.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,465 ✭✭✭Sir Humphrey Appleby


    the tans and the bloody Sunday paratroopers and others also?

    Lol I don't there were any English Paratroopers in Dublin in 1916.
    You really are hilarious though.:D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 906 ✭✭✭Eight Ball


    If it means one single euro is spent on security for them from the taxpayers empty pockets its a big fat "F off" from me. Otherwise I could give two sh1tes.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 503 ✭✭✭dublinbhoy88


    Lol I don't there were any English Paratroopers in Dublin in 1916.
    You really are hilarious though.:D
    I never said there was


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,465 ✭✭✭Sir Humphrey Appleby


    I never said there was

    Read the thread title kid, it is about commemorating the 1916 insurrection and the possible invitation of members of the UK Royals.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,453 ✭✭✭jugger0


    Maybe the British Army will come in their place.

    Doubt they'd want to come back after the hiding they got at mount street bridge.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 503 ✭✭✭dublinbhoy88


    Read the thread title kid, it is about commemorating the 1916 insurrection and the possible invitation of members of the UK Royals.
    I know what the thread is about


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 26,567 ✭✭✭✭Fratton Fred


    Deedsie wrote: »
    I think it's only right, representatives of the heads of UK should be afforded an invitation. Wouldn't it be the best way to bring the entire British/Irish affair full circle? It would be the perfect symbolism to say the past is behind us. We move on together as allies and friends.

    Imagine if the UK Queen or one of her family was sitting outside the GPO on the 24th of April 2016, possibly beside or near Gerry Adams who could well be in Government by then. Our next GE has to be held on or before April 8th 2016...

    Potentially Tánaiste Adams if a coalition government excluding FG was formed. Just hypothetical, no one could possibly know what will happen. Opinion polls suggest a steady rise for FF and SF and stability for FG.

    An FF/SF/~independents is a possible government come April 2016.

    I'm not saying I want this to happen but I don't think a lot of people realize the potential for this happening in 32 months time.

    FF/SF/~independents seems a lot more viable than FG/Labour/~independents do at this time. A crushed Labour Party will be loathe to share with FG again.

    That is one of the scariest posts I have ever read on boards.


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