Pirating Netflix originals.

SouthTippBass

Do you think its acceptable to pirate from the Netflix original series? Netflix offers a fantastic service, imo, and €7 is a very reasonable fee for such quality and quantity of movies/series. I'm happy to hand over my €7 every month just for Breaking Bad alone, and currently working my way through Orange is the new black as well which I'm happy to pay for.

Yeah, they don't have all the movies you want to see, but what they have got is still worth the price of a chicken dinner. I understand not everybody shares my opinion, and I also wont pretend I'v never pirated anything, but I feel good service deserves support.

Sh1tbag OToole

I'd pirate them just because they use DRM and M$ silverlight.

Paying is for suckers, pirate away mad

NegativeCreep

Pirating is great. I just do it now because it's what I'm used to!

krudler

I don't see why you would, you can stream it in 1080p instantly instead of waiting to download it. I love netflix the tv shows on the US one are worth it alone. 7 quid a month is nothing, that's the price of one drink on a night out for me. (JD and coke)

Banjo String

NegativeCreep wrote: »

Pirating is great. I just do it now because it's what I'm used to!

I imagined you saying this in a captain Barbossa voice for some reason.


Arrrrrr.

HighClass

I don't see the point of paying for Netflix when I can just stream it online for free.

FouxDaFaFa

I was resistant to Netflix until I tried it and really liked the selection of tv shows. It's not perfect but it's worth it when you want to power through long series. Before getting netflix, I was watching the X Files and would keep forgetting which episode I was on, would struggle to find quality links, would watch mis-titled videos spoiling future episodes, etc.

Netflix is miles better in that respect, however the movie selection is laughable and I do hop between Netflix US and Netflix Ireland which they would probably consider piracy.

SouthTippBass

FouxDaFaFa wrote: »

I do hop between Netflix US and Netflix Ireland which they would probably consider piracy.

I wouldn't consider that piracy, you are still paying your €7 at the end of the day.

hansfrei

Is it not on freeview? Also, isn't internet piracy law down the drain now we know the NSA can decode anything? Unless somehow it's one global law for one mob of crazy americans and another law for everyone else.

PhlegmyMoses

HighClass wrote: »

I don't see the point of paying for Netflix when I can just stream it online for free.

Piracy will eventually be cracked down on. We'll fight it for ages but powerful people are losing too much money to have it go on forever. It won't go away totally but it'll become more risky and harder to do. And I want people who make these things to earn money, I'm just not willing to pay €30 for boxsets and €100 a month for sky and the likes to show me what they feel like showing. Services like Netflix are an acceptable and reasonable compromise.

Tails142

I feel like now that I pay my €7 I am perfectly entitled to pirate anything I want - if its not on netflix its their own fault =D

mad m

I've been paying for it for a while now, flick between us and ire. Have given my password and email to family members so they can enjoy it also. It's worth it alone just for House of Cards and Breaking bad....roll on the new episodes of House of cards.

Banjo String

Tails142 wrote: »

I feel like now that I pay my €7 I am perfectly entitled to pirate anything I want - if its not on netflix its their own fault =D

I like your reasoning there.

On Sunday, I might just go to the local Chinese restaurant and pay a tenner for the all you can eat buffet.

Might stop in to my Indian afterwards though for a few cobra beers, and their select of Indian ice cream.

Not gonna pay though, and it's the Chinese fault for not providing me with the Indian beer and desert.

fergiesfolly

How do you get the US version

oldyouth

Oh you guys and your reasonable internet, you think you are God's gift. Some people have no option but to spend 10 hours downloading 1 episode of a popular series

hansfrei

fergiesfolly wrote: »

How do you get the US version

You pay €7 for it. Netflix.com.

SouthTippBass

fergiesfolly wrote: »

How do you get the US version

Its really easy to get if you have a PS3 (like me) all you do is change the ip. I cant give you any further info here I think

The_Valeyard

fergiesfolly wrote: »

How do you get the US version

You have much to learn young Padawan

XBMC

That is all!

B.A._Baracus

fergiesfolly wrote: »

How do you get the US version

Boards.ie doesnt like people talking about the specifics on how to watch other netflix regions. But all you need to do is change your DNS settings. Just do a google search or even search youtube. Can't link you cause of the Boards.ie rules.

r3nu4l

B.A._Baracus wrote: »

Boards.ie doesnt like people talking about the specifics on how to watch other netflix regions.

I'm watching you Wazowsky, always watching!

EyeSight

hansfrei wrote: »

You pay €7 for it. Netflix.com.

if you have an irish ip address that website will direct you to the irish one

You need to change DNS settings to get the US one. There is a good chrome plugin to do so. it's also easy to do on ps3

Orion

krudler wrote: »

I don't see why you would, you can stream it in 1080p instantly instead of waiting to download it. I love netflix the tv shows on the US one are worth it alone. 7 quid a month is nothing, that's the price of one drink on a night out for me. (JD and coke)

Unless you use linux as your media centre. I have a pi as mine so netflix is unavailable for me. Their loss not mine.

humbert

Orion wrote: »

Unless you use linux as your media centre. I have a pi as mine so netflix is unavailable for me. Their loss not mine.

Both I'd say. Hopefully Linux support will come soon.

It's a good service and a much better way to tackle piracy than legislation. It deserves to succeed though, it doesn't need "support". Actually the fact that it doesn't need support, specifically the support of heavy handed legislation, is one of the main reasons it deserves to succeed.

cooperguy

I signed up for Netflix a few months back. My best value purchase every month is my Netflix subscription! Over the last while I have watched most of the Netflix Original shows. Arrested Development, House of Cards and Orange is the New Black are very very good. And I have no problem paying a reasonable price for quality stuff.

Getting Breaking Bad as soon as it airs is a massive bonus as well. It would be great if they could do the same for Game of Thrones next year!

drunkmonkey

I've just watched the second last episode, still no sign of piper out of the overalls, hopefully the season goes out with a bang.

Rascasse

Orion wrote: »

Unless you use linux as your media centre. I have a pi as mine so netflix is unavailable for me. Their loss not mine.

Is that because of Silverlight? If so they are ditching that completely for html5 soon (though DRM remains, understandably) .

A Primal Nut

HighClass wrote: »

I don't see the point of paying for Netflix when I can just stream it online for free.

Do the free ones have consistent, reliable quality? Or having to search for a ages for a good stream, wait for about 15 ads to close, manually close another 20 ads before the stream dies halfway through?

A Primal Nut

Deleted User wrote: »

XBMC

That is all!

It's good for watching stuff you've downloaded. None of the add-ons for live tv seem to work in anyway reliably.

enfant terrible

B.A._Baracus wrote: »

Boards.ie doesnt like people talking about the specifics on how to watch other netflix regions. But all you need to do is change your DNS settings. Just do a google search or even search youtube. Can't link you cause of the Boards.ie rules.

Why would boards care about that?

humbert

A Primal Nut wrote: »

Do the free ones have consistent, reliable quality? Or having to search for a ages for a good stream, wait for about 15 ads to close, manually close another 20 ads before the stream dies halfway through?

The free streaming services are a good alternative for those vision impaired people whose time is worth absolutely nothing.

B.A._Baracus

enfant terrible wrote: »

Why would boards care about that?

I know, it's stupid.
In the films section on boards you cant talk about it. Mods delete posts. I dont get it tho, you are still paying NetFlix money

lkionm

enfant terrible wrote: »

Why would boards care about that?

Since technically it is illegal. Same with torrenting.

I presume they can't be seen how to facilitate law breaking when the answer a a google away.


I always download. But if I had Netflix and they didn't have something right away I would download it. Still can't see myself getting it though.
Been downloading for too long, would feel like losing.

Orion

humbert wrote: »

Both I'd say. Hopefully Linux support will come soon.

It's a good service and a much better way to tackle piracy than legislation. It deserves to succeed though, it doesn't need "support". Actually the fact that it doesn't need support, specifically the support of heavy handed legislation, is one of the main reasons it deserves to succeed.

I agree 100% - this is the model that should have been adopted years ago rather than the completely ineffectual clampdown that they attempted.

But I can't see it being available on Linux anytime soon. They are too invested in M$ Silverlight. As long as they stick with proprietary crap like that then I'm not going to be a customer I'm afraid.

You can run Netflix in a Linux environment but it involves using Wine and installing a ppa app. While I have no objection to ppas they are not official and therefore not supported. Any change to the netflix delivery and the ppa is useless until the guy who wrote it gets around to updating it. Low cost media centres are going to stick with Linux as it's free. So there is a market segment that Netflix are going to miss out on. I'd pay for Netflix to be honest - I've heard nothing but good things about it - but only if I can watch it on my TV through my Pi.

Orion

Rascasse wrote: »

Is that because of Silverlight? If so they are ditching that completely for html5 soon (though DRM remains, understandably) .

*mental note - read rest of replies before commenting*

Didn't know that. I've no problem with DRM in principle - the practice has been lacking in the likes of Sony and other studios implementations. If Netflix implement a linux friendly solution and the DRM is not intrusive (as in no rootkit type of behaviour*) then I'll certainly look at it.

*not even implying that netflix would do that - my reading of them has been very positive - first company to cop on that you need to earn trust not buy mistrust.

COYVB

lkionm wrote: »

Since technically it is illegal. Same with torrenting.

I presume they can't be seen how to facilitate law breaking when the answer a a google away.


I always download. But if I had Netflix and they didn't have something right away I would download it. Still can't see myself getting it though.
Been downloading for too long, would feel like losing.

Illegal is the wrong word, since I don't believe it's actually against the law, but rather against the Netflix terms

COYVB

Orion wrote: »

*mental note - read rest of replies before commenting*

Didn't know that. I've no problem with DRM in principle - the practice has been lacking in the likes of Sony and other studios implementations. If Netflix implement a linux friendly solution and the DRM is not intrusive (as in no rootkit type of behaviour*) then I'll certainly look at it.

*not even implying that netflix would do that - my reading of them has been very positive - first company to cop on that you need to earn trust not buy mistrust.

What's the DRM on Netflix? Surely you're not counting having to log in as being the same thing as restricting use unreasonably?

SherlockWatson

SouthTippBass wrote: »

Do you think its acceptable to pirate from the Netflix original series? Netflix offers a fantastic service, imo, and €7 is a very reasonable fee for such quality and quantity of movies/series. I'm happy to hand over my €7 every month just for Breaking Bad alone, and currently working my way through Orange is the new black as well which I'm happy to pay for.

Yeah, they don't have all the movies you want to see, but what they have got is still worth the price of a chicken dinner. I understand not everybody shares my opinion, and I also wont pretend I'v never pirated anything, but I feel good service deserves support.

They're not providing a good service out of the goodness of their hearts, its because they want money.

Orion

COYVB wrote: »

What's the DRM on Netflix? Surely you're not counting having to log in as being the same thing as restricting use unreasonably?

Quite the opposite - if you read my post again I'm being positive about Netflix.

UCDVet

Sh1tbag OToole wrote: »

I'd pirate them just because they use DRM and M$ silverlight.

Paying is for suckers, pirate away mad

Netflix doesn't care about piracy; it's the content owners that require DRM to be there.

I'd take Netflix over the government extorted TV tax any day.

UCDVet

lkionm wrote: »

Since technically it is illegal. Same with torrenting.

I presume they can't be seen how to facilitate law breaking when the answer a a google away.


I always download. But if I had Netflix and they didn't have something right away I would download it. Still can't see myself getting it though.
Been downloading for too long, would feel like losing.

I spent a lot of time downloading stuff too; but I still have Netflix. Even with terabytes of storage, my local library couldn't compete with Netflix - and, in most cases, downloading can't be done on demand if you are torrenting.

Torrenting gives you different file types as well. It's not a big problem, but it's a headache. If I download a movie off a torrent site it might play on my PC using VLC but not on my PS3. I can use ffmpeg or another tool to re-encode it, to something that works on both, but adds another 20-30 minutes to the process. I also like to put media on an old smart phone; with Netflix, I can run the app on my cell and it works. If I download, I need to re-encode the whole thing again, for my tiny android phone (the phone isn't powerful enough to play the original movie).

Older/less popular stuff, is pretty hard to download, or at least requires some effort. Sure, a popular movie that was just released on DVD - no problem. But an old 80s TV show that wasn't too popular? Well, it's a toss up.

Subtitles also tend to be a mess when you pirate stuff. For example, take a movie like The Da Vinci Code - if you download it, you get the movie. But there are a few scenes where someone is speaking in Latin(? I think). The pirated versions almost never have English subtitles for that. If you go online, you can search and find .SRT files that *some* players will use to display subtitles - but, many times, you end up with subtitles on EVERYTHING that is said, not just the non-English parts.

If you find a file that contains just the non-English parts (and you can, so long as the movie is popular), the .SRT file is only supported by some media players. It works on my PC with VLC - but it doesn't work on my PS3 or cell phone.

Less common, but....my wife and I are planning a trip to Spain some years in the future, and we thought, what the hell - let's learn Spanish. It's really, really, really easy to change languages in Netflix. They don't have it for every show (and we actually use a tool to give us an IP address in Mexico so we get a different selection, but this is true for the default Ireland one as well) - but you can select from several languages and decide which audio you want and what language subtitles you want. I can watch Arrested Development in Spanish, with English subtitles.

And, I know it's cool to acknowledge it, but torrenting is (most likely) illegal. Most ISPs kind of look the other way, so long as you aren't using too much bandwidth, but people do, occasionally, get in trouble for it. With Netflix, you know that everything you are doing is on the up-and-up.

Chancer3001

Over here it's free.

Over here you have to pay.

I know which one ill pick.

EyeSight

Netflix couldn't care less if you use the USA version. It would very simple for them to find out and block you(some sites will see that you've logged in from Ireland one second and another country the next which isn't possible). But they don't. They get paid either way, i think it's only to keep the networks happy

SherlockWatson

A Primal Nut wrote: »

Do the free ones have consistent, reliable quality? Or having to search for a ages for a good stream, wait for about 15 ads to close, manually close another 20 ads before the stream dies halfway through?

Yes they do.
Don't have to search ages.
Ad blocker.
Ad blocker.
Streams rarely "die" midway, they either work or they don't.

AlanS181824

Interesting thread.

Dravokivich

COYVB wrote: »

Illegal is the wrong word, since I don't believe it's actually against the law, but rather against the Netflix terms

Well, it's for Netflix to restrict themselves. The rights they have to broadcast or provide streaming are based on the now outdated definition of territories/regional licensing. That's the predominant reason why they've different catalogues.

Modifying your DNS settings to circumvent their broadcasting rights, is somewhat exploiting the service they provide you. But looking over the website just now, without logging in, they've no clear link to T&Cs. So I can't even see if a customer was to use this exploit, that is a violation of their T&Cs.

Edit:
Eventually found it, the link was the same colour as the rest of the text, so didn't stand out. 2 comments from it of relevance:

Geographic Limitation: You may instantly watch a movie or TV show through the Netflix service only in geographic locations where we offer our service and have licensed such movie or TV show. The content that may be available to watch will vary by geographic location. Netflix will use technologies to verify your geographic location.

Stipulates the territorial requirements.

And under Copyright:

You agree to adhere to the restrictions set forth under "Netflix streaming software" and "Limitations on Use." You agree not to decompile, reverse engineer or disassemble any software or other products or processes accessible through the Netflix service, not to insert any code or product or manipulate the content of the Netflix service in any way, and not to use any data mining, data gathering or extraction method.

So basically, as long as you aren't directly fiddling with their software, they don't seem to give a fiddle about it themselves.

humanji

Folk, don't discuss illegal activities or ways to circumvent a company's terms of use. It's a dodgy gray area, but we've to be careful. If you've a problem with this, contact Seán Sherlock TD for more information.

wes

Orion wrote: »

But I can't see it being available on Linux anytime soon. They are too invested in M$ Silverlight. As long as they stick with proprietary crap like that then I'm not going to be a customer I'm afraid.

Silverlight is End of Lifed, so they won't be supporting if forever. Netflix, are last I read, looking into HTML 5 video, and were proposing a DRM extension to HTML 5. If this extension passes the standards process, and then if lets say the Linux version of Firefox or another browser supports it, then you could see Netflix on Linux.

The problem that Netflix has, is that the right holders require DRM, hence using stuff like Silverlight, and having to propose DRM extensions to the new tech they want to use.

keithclancy

Netflix is great, wide selection with suggestions.

Good new shows (House of Cards, Arrested Development)

Also Breaking Bad is up to date

Handy too when away from home in a hotel or something with the netflix app.

weisses

keithclancy wrote: »

Netflix is great, wide selection with suggestions.

Good new shows (House of Cards, Arrested Development)

Also Breaking Bad is up to date

Handy too when away from home in a hotel or something with the netflix app.

And will be available in beautiful Brabant very soon

ALiasEX

COYVB wrote: »

What's the DRM on Netflix? Surely you're not counting having to log in as being the same thing as restricting use unreasonably?

With Netflix no matter how much of a video you have downloaded, once you go backwards in the video everything you have downloaded of that video is lost and you must redownload it. I go backwards in videos often and that would eat away at my limited bandwidth. I presume this is because of DRM.