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Dole to be axed for teens

  • 05-09-2013 03:07PM
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    Closed Accounts Posts: 34


    In the evening paper that dole for 18 and 19 year olds is to be abolished in Decembers budget. Unemployed people or that age will be required to enrol in training or return to education.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,516 ✭✭✭wazky


    18 and 19?

    That's not 20's...


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 12,563 Mod ✭✭✭✭Amirani


    Any links?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 710 ✭✭✭mad turnip


    this is great news.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,675 ✭✭✭HighClass


    Misleading thread title is misleading.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,758 ✭✭✭✭TeddyTedson


    Next they're scrapping the pension for the over 90s.
    Jesus it would be like that call in the pub at the end of the night, "Right folk pleases".

    Any links?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 673 ✭✭✭pundy


    GOOD!


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,214 ✭✭✭chopper6


    RTE Fan wrote: »
    In the evening paper that dole for 18 and 19 year olds is to be abolished in Decembers budget. Unemployed people or that age will be required to enrol in training or return to education.


    About time too....they should extend that to anybody who's been on the dole two years or longer.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,122 ✭✭✭BeerWolf


    20s = 20-29, not 18 and 19 :pac:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,516 ✭✭✭wazky


    All well and good if they provided actual jobs and not that Jobbridge shite.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,758 ✭✭✭✭TeddyTedson


    Do 18 year olds get full Job seekers benefit provided they have sufficient PRSI paid?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,297 ✭✭✭✭Sam Kade


    I thought this years budget is in October. It's only the usual kite flying.


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 12,563 Mod ✭✭✭✭Amirani


    chopper6 wrote: »
    About time too....they should extend that to anybody who's been on the dole two years or longer.

    And provide them with a free course in how to pickpocket and rob houses while they're at it. It would be unfair to leave them starve in fairness...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,085 ✭✭✭SpaceTime


    Well, I suppose it makes sense in so far as you need to upskill people who are that age. They're hardly stuck in a career path!!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,163 ✭✭✭✭danniemcq


    While it seems like a good idea I can't see it working out. Courses will be full, people if forced to take them will end up doing something they have no interest in. Or will people in the late teens get given priority over the over 20s which again will cause Chaos.

    If the money for creation of new training rooms/courses/trainers was spent i dunno in Job creation instead it might be better. After all the 1000's of young Irish leaving the country aren't going to sign on somewhere else they are going to work.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,122 ✭✭✭BeerWolf


    wazky wrote: »
    All well and good if they provided actual jobs and not that Jobbridge shite.

    Nothing wrong with Job bridge as a source for experience, just that it's being exploited by Employers - it should be monitored, and not have positions like Waitress and Barman, etc. for cheap labour.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,297 ✭✭✭✭Sam Kade


    chopper6 wrote: »
    About time too....they should extend that to anybody who's been on the dole two years or longer.
    That will teach them to go out and get a job :rolleyes:


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,214 ✭✭✭chopper6


    And provide them with a free course in how to pickpocket and rob houses while they're at it. It would be unfair to leave them starve in fairness...


    They could,like..y'know get jobs?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,516 ✭✭✭wazky


    BeerWolf wrote: »
    Nothing wrong with Job bridge, just that it's being exploited by Employers - it should be monitored, and not have positions like Waitress and Barman, etc. for cheap labour.

    Well it either needs to be abolished or reformed, look on most job advertising websites and you will see placements for stacking shelfs, cleaning up offices etc, general labour jobs.

    How can you apprentice in stacking a shelf?


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 12,563 Mod ✭✭✭✭Amirani


    chopper6 wrote: »
    They could,like..y'know get jobs?

    You think removing all social welfare payment to those who have been unemployment for more than two years will make them all suddenly decide to get a job? That's naive in the extreme. I'd says it's more likely that a decent proportion of them will turn to crime instead, that's what tends to happen in other countries who enact similar proposals.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,122 ✭✭✭BeerWolf


    wazky wrote: »
    Well it either needs to be abolished or reformed, look on most job advertising websites and you will see placements for stacking shelfs, cleaning up offices etc, general labour jobs.

    How can you apprentice in stacking a shelf?

    You might want to reread what I just said... I was against the usage of THAT on Jobbridge... the "Exploited by Employers for cheap labour" part... and that such things should be monitored out.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,758 ✭✭✭✭TeddyTedson


    chopper6 wrote: »
    They could,like..y'know get jobs?
    In fairness there's not many jobs out there for 18 year olds who've just left school with just their Leaving Cert.
    I saw a job recently in my field that I could have gotten quite easily at my age a few years ago now looking for substantial qualifications and a minimum of 15 years experience. How is anyone supposed to progress anymore!?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,516 ✭✭✭wazky


    BeerWolf wrote: »
    Er, I just said I was against the usage of THAT on Jobbridge... the "Exploited by Employers for cheap labour" part... and that such things should be monitored out.

    And I just said it needs to be reformed to stop that?


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,214 ✭✭✭chopper6


    wazky wrote: »
    Well it either needs to be abolished or reformed, look on most job advertising websites and you will see placements for stacking shelfs, cleaning up offices etc, general labour jobs.

    How can you apprentice in stacking a shelf?

    Gotta start somewhere...everybody i know started off in menial work after leaving school.

    This idea that "general labour jobs" are beneath people or that you're somehow better off on the dole needs to be changed.

    Work ethic in this country has gone to the dogs.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 954 ✭✭✭lahalane


    chopper6 wrote: »
    They could,like..y'know get jobs?

    You may just have solved the unemployment problem. Ingenius. Can't believe they didn't think of that.

    I think I have a solution for famine. Why don't they just eat food?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,122 ✭✭✭BeerWolf


    wazky wrote: »
    And I just said it needs to be reformed to stop that?

    Gee, you think I wasn't implying that?!

    Thanks for the info Sherlocks...

    :rolleyes:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,516 ✭✭✭wazky


    chopper6 wrote: »
    Gotta start somewhere...everybody i know started off in menial work after leaving school.

    This idea that "general labour jobs" are beneath people or that you're somehow better off on the dole needs to be changed.

    Work ethic in this country has gone to the dogs.

    How can you start off when you cant get a job?

    To apply for Job Bridge you need to be on the dole, which means three months out of education, so that is excluding every college and second level student.

    So not only do you have people on the dole but also students are severely restricted on the number jobs available to them, but students don't show up on the live register number which is mighty handy for the government.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,068 ✭✭✭LoonyLovegood


    Can't see this working out. What about those who may have left school after the junior cert, gotten a qualification (hairdressing, etc), who now can't work? You're going to end up with people doing courses because they have to.

    Will this be the government trying to say that we've no youth unemployment thanks to this?


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,214 ✭✭✭chopper6


    lahalane wrote: »

    I think I have a solution for famine. Why don't they just eat food?

    Or maybe grow thier own food instead of depending on other people giving it to them.

    This might be a bit subtle for you but think about it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,068 ✭✭✭LoonyLovegood


    Can't see this working out. What about those who may have left school after the junior cert, gotten a qualification (hairdressing, etc), who now can't work? You're going to end up with people doing courses because they have to.

    Will this be the government trying to say that we've no youth unemployment thanks to this?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 474 ✭✭Umekichi


    In fairness there's not many job out there for 18 year olds who've just left school with just their Leaving Cert.
    I saw a job recently in my field that I could have gotten quite easily at my age a few years ago now looking for substantial qualifications and a minimus 15 years experience. How is anyone supposed to progress anymore!?

    This is the situation I am in, haven't enough experience to get even the most basic job, despite the fact that I am a quick learner, friendly, hardworking and good at computers.

    Yet can't get experience with no job.
    I have found it to be one of the most soul destroying things to be on the dole.
    I have no confidence in myself or my abilities and in general feel like cr*p knowing that no matter how hard I try to find employment, I am passed over by someone who has more experience than me, who may then move on from that employer to a newer and better job within a few months to a year, whereas I would gladly stay on as a loyal worker to build up my experience.

    Thankfully I have secured a place on a Fás course that includes Work Experience and I volunteer so that helps somewhat, despite the fact that I have to put up with being labelled as a "scrounger" by people who know little about me or my situation.


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