Dole to be axed for teens

RTE Fan

In the evening paper that dole for 18 and 19 year olds is to be abolished in Decembers budget. Unemployed people or that age will be required to enrol in training or return to education.

wazky

18 and 19?

That's not 20's...

Amirani

Any links?

mad turnip

this is great news.

HighClass

Misleading thread title is misleading.

TeddyTedson

Next they're scrapping the pension for the over 90s.
Jesus it would be like that call in the pub at the end of the night, "Right folk pleases".

Any links?

pundy

GOOD!

chopper6

RTE Fan wrote: »

In the evening paper that dole for 18 and 19 year olds is to be abolished in Decembers budget. Unemployed people or that age will be required to enrol in training or return to education.

About time too....they should extend that to anybody who's been on the dole two years or longer.

BeerWolf

20s = 20-29, not 18 and 19 :pac:

wazky

All well and good if they provided actual jobs and not that Jobbridge shite.

TeddyTedson

Do 18 year olds get full Job seekers benefit provided they have sufficient PRSI paid?

Sam Kade

I thought this years budget is in October. It's only the usual kite flying.

Amirani

chopper6 wrote: »

About time too....they should extend that to anybody who's been on the dole two years or longer.

And provide them with a free course in how to pickpocket and rob houses while they're at it. It would be unfair to leave them starve in fairness...

SpaceTime

Well, I suppose it makes sense in so far as you need to upskill people who are that age. They're hardly stuck in a career path!!

danniemcq

While it seems like a good idea I can't see it working out. Courses will be full, people if forced to take them will end up doing something they have no interest in. Or will people in the late teens get given priority over the over 20s which again will cause Chaos.

If the money for creation of new training rooms/courses/trainers was spent i dunno in Job creation instead it might be better. After all the 1000's of young Irish leaving the country aren't going to sign on somewhere else they are going to work.

BeerWolf

wazky wrote: »

All well and good if they provided actual jobs and not that Jobbridge shite.

Nothing wrong with Job bridge as a source for experience, just that it's being exploited by Employers - it should be monitored, and not have positions like Waitress and Barman, etc. for cheap labour.

Sam Kade

chopper6 wrote: »

About time too....they should extend that to anybody who's been on the dole two years or longer.

That will teach them to go out and get a job :rolleyes:

chopper6

NiallSparky wrote: »

And provide them with a free course in how to pickpocket and rob houses while they're at it. It would be unfair to leave them starve in fairness...

They could,like..y'know get jobs?

wazky

BeerWolf wrote: »

Nothing wrong with Job bridge, just that it's being exploited by Employers - it should be monitored, and not have positions like Waitress and Barman, etc. for cheap labour.

Well it either needs to be abolished or reformed, look on most job advertising websites and you will see placements for stacking shelfs, cleaning up offices etc, general labour jobs.

How can you apprentice in stacking a shelf?

Amirani

chopper6 wrote: »

They could,like..y'know get jobs?

You think removing all social welfare payment to those who have been unemployment for more than two years will make them all suddenly decide to get a job? That's naive in the extreme. I'd says it's more likely that a decent proportion of them will turn to crime instead, that's what tends to happen in other countries who enact similar proposals.

BeerWolf

wazky wrote: »

Well it either needs to be abolished or reformed, look on most job advertising websites and you will see placements for stacking shelfs, cleaning up offices etc, general labour jobs.

How can you apprentice in stacking a shelf?

You might want to reread what I just said... I was against the usage of THAT on Jobbridge... the "Exploited by Employers for cheap labour" part... and that such things should be monitored out.

TeddyTedson

chopper6 wrote: »

They could,like..y'know get jobs?

In fairness there's not many jobs out there for 18 year olds who've just left school with just their Leaving Cert.
I saw a job recently in my field that I could have gotten quite easily at my age a few years ago now looking for substantial qualifications and a minimum of 15 years experience. How is anyone supposed to progress anymore!?

wazky

BeerWolf wrote: »

Er, I just said I was against the usage of THAT on Jobbridge... the "Exploited by Employers for cheap labour" part... and that such things should be monitored out.

And I just said it needs to be reformed to stop that?

chopper6

wazky wrote: »

Well it either needs to be abolished or reformed, look on most job advertising websites and you will see placements for stacking shelfs, cleaning up offices etc, general labour jobs.

How can you apprentice in stacking a shelf?

Gotta start somewhere...everybody i know started off in menial work after leaving school.

This idea that "general labour jobs" are beneath people or that you're somehow better off on the dole needs to be changed.

Work ethic in this country has gone to the dogs.

lahalane

chopper6 wrote: »

They could,like..y'know get jobs?

You may just have solved the unemployment problem. Ingenius. Can't believe they didn't think of that.

I think I have a solution for famine. Why don't they just eat food?

BeerWolf

wazky wrote: »

And I just said it needs to be reformed to stop that?

Gee, you think I wasn't implying that?!

Thanks for the info Sherlocks...

:rolleyes:

wazky

chopper6 wrote: »

Gotta start somewhere...everybody i know started off in menial work after leaving school.

This idea that "general labour jobs" are beneath people or that you're somehow better off on the dole needs to be changed.

Work ethic in this country has gone to the dogs.

How can you start off when you cant get a job?

To apply for Job Bridge you need to be on the dole, which means three months out of education, so that is excluding every college and second level student.

So not only do you have people on the dole but also students are severely restricted on the number jobs available to them, but students don't show up on the live register number which is mighty handy for the government.

LoonyLovegood

Can't see this working out. What about those who may have left school after the junior cert, gotten a qualification (hairdressing, etc), who now can't work? You're going to end up with people doing courses because they have to.

Will this be the government trying to say that we've no youth unemployment thanks to this?

chopper6

lahalane wrote: »

I think I have a solution for famine. Why don't they just eat food?

Or maybe grow thier own food instead of depending on other people giving it to them.

This might be a bit subtle for you but think about it.

LoonyLovegood

Can't see this working out. What about those who may have left school after the junior cert, gotten a qualification (hairdressing, etc), who now can't work? You're going to end up with people doing courses because they have to.

Will this be the government trying to say that we've no youth unemployment thanks to this?

Umekichi

TeddyTedson wrote: »

In fairness there's not many job out there for 18 year olds who've just left school with just their Leaving Cert.
I saw a job recently in my field that I could have gotten quite easily at my age a few years ago now looking for substantial qualifications and a minimus 15 years experience. How is anyone supposed to progress anymore!?

This is the situation I am in, haven't enough experience to get even the most basic job, despite the fact that I am a quick learner, friendly, hardworking and good at computers.

Yet can't get experience with no job.
I have found it to be one of the most soul destroying things to be on the dole.
I have no confidence in myself or my abilities and in general feel like cr*p knowing that no matter how hard I try to find employment, I am passed over by someone who has more experience than me, who may then move on from that employer to a newer and better job within a few months to a year, whereas I would gladly stay on as a loyal worker to build up my experience.

Thankfully I have secured a place on a Fás course that includes Work Experience and I volunteer so that helps somewhat, despite the fact that I have to put up with being labelled as a "scrounger" by people who know little about me or my situation.

Christy42

chopper6 wrote: »

Gotta start somewhere...everybody i know started off in menial work after leaving school.

This idea that "general labour jobs" are beneath people or that you're somehow better off on the dole needs to be changed.

Work ethic in this country has gone to the dogs.

I think the phrase is "general labour volunteering". I agree that people who are on the dole long term should take what they can get (an be encouraged to do so). Jobsbridge is still on the dole, they just don't count you in the official figures and whoever takes that shelf stacking role will be back on it once the internship ends.

I feel dole numbers should include these internships. If it leads to a job fine, take them off it but until then it is just misleading.

I have no issue with shelf stacking jobs but an internship in it is just a joke. Did you have to do an internship for your menial job (at a lower wage and taxpayer's expense)?.

BeerWolf

chopper6 wrote: »

Gotta start somewhere...everybody i know started off in menial work after leaving school.

This idea that "general labour jobs" are beneath people or that you're somehow better off on the dole needs to be changed.

Work ethic in this country has gone to the dogs.

Nothing wrong with general labour - the issue was them being posted on Jobbridge, an INTERNSHIP website... and employers exploiting the system so they only pay out so little for these jobs, effectively being free labour.

Or do you believe a job like a shop clerk, cashier, barman, stacker, etc. fall under an internship? -.-;

The Backwards Man

Young people blow all their dough, pensioners spend fcuk all. I propose taking €150 a week of the pensioners and giving it to the teenagers to stimulate the economy. It would take a politician with balls of steel to introduce that one.

lahalane

chopper6 wrote: »

Or maybe grow thier own food instead of depending on other people giving it to them.

This might be a bit subtle for you but think about it.

Do you think everybody has the same circumstances as you do? Do you really think that getting a job is an easy thing for everybody who is on the dole? I love how simple everyone seems to think stuff like this is. If it could be solved on an internet forum then the chances are somebody would have thought of it before.

SEPT 23 1989

I think they should riot the sh1t out of this town or register to vote

BeerWolf

The Backwards Man wrote: »

Young people blow all their dough, pensioners spend fcuk all. I propose taking €150 a week of the pensioners and giving it to the teenagers to stimulate the economy. It would take a politician with balls of steel to introduce that one.

Why the hell should people who've paid throughout their years towards a pension have their money taken ? You delusional or what ? That money's their own earning, there for comfort in retirement...

There's already an uproar with the whole pension thing that the Government is taking...

Amirani

chopper6 wrote: »

Or maybe grow thier own food instead of depending on other people giving it to them.

This might be a bit subtle for you but think about it.

You seem to be assuming that everybody have access to land on which they can grow food. I don't think that's typically the case...

krudler

chopper6 wrote: »

They could,like..y'know get jobs?

I know, it'll be great taking some of the pressure off the rest of us being offered jobs all the time, I can't open my emails with job offers from people every day, ridiculous like.

Jesus what an asinine post.

Umekichi

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

I think they should riot the sh1t out of this town or register to vote

Why would they register when it seem, to me anyway, that both parties are and all politicians seem to be like this:

The Backwards Man

BeerWolf wrote: »

Why the hell should people who've paid throughout their years towards a pension have their money taken ? You delusional or what ? That money's their own earning, there for comfort in retirement...

As I said, balls of steel.:pac:

The Princess Bride

Something wrong with a system that educates children for up to 13/14 years, and then hands out money for them to do nothing.
That wouldn't provide the incentive for them to do a course or look for a job.

Hope this is fact and not a rumour.

wazky

BeerWolf wrote: »

Why the hell should people who've paid throughout their years towards a pension have their money taken ? You delusional or what ? That money's their own earning, there for comfort in retirement...

Bring in compulsory euthanasia for people on their 68 birthday, solves that problem.

madness98

What happens when the course someone wants to take is filled up and ten people don't want to take that course? Or when they finish it and are pushed into a job the have no interest in doing?

Don't get me wrong, i'm all for schemes to get youth off unemployment and into work but I can't help thinking that this might do more harm than good. maybe its just the cynic in me getting out.

Bits_n_Bobs

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

I think they should riot the sh1t out of this town or register to vote

Awesome idea however won't happen till their boards.ie access is taken away...pesky teens....

chopper6

NiallSparky wrote: »

You seem to be assuming that everybody have access to land on which they can grow food. I don't think that's typically the case...

It wasn't meant to be taken literally.

It was a analogy between making your own money by working for yourself or depending on handouts forever.

bullvine

When we axing the dole for people who've never paid income tax?

ShaShaBear

What paper was this?

All I can see is an article about how The Union of Students in Ireland, the Irish Second-Level Students' Union and Congress got together and demanded an end be put to the lockout of unemployed youths from the workforce and that they requested a national jobs strategy for young people, a jobs stimulus, major investment in the Youth Guarantee Scheme, a legal framework and better regulation of work placement.

No mention of the government forcing young people off the dole, rather young people coming forward and suggesting some things to enable themselves

Tombi!

Closed accounts folks. I'm guessing it was a troll and reported it as such.

Lisa2011

chopper6 wrote: »

About time too....they should extend that to anybody who's been on the dole two years or longer.

Maybe it should but there are highly qualified people who are long term unemployed and cant do any more courses

If this is true regards 18 to 19 yr olds I agree with you. There are far too many early school leavers signing on and they need to be forced to get a skill or qualification

Why don't they extend this scheme to foreign nationals who come to Ireland and sign on the dole immediately.

dr.bollocko

OP = re-reg troll.

Closed his account before the inevitable siteban.