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Dole to be axed for teens

  • 05-09-2013 2:07pm
    #1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 34


    In the evening paper that dole for 18 and 19 year olds is to be abolished in Decembers budget. Unemployed people or that age will be required to enrol in training or return to education.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,516 ✭✭✭wazky


    18 and 19?

    That's not 20's...


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 12,554 Mod ✭✭✭✭Amirani


    Any links?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 710 ✭✭✭mad turnip


    this is great news.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,675 ✭✭✭HighClass


    Misleading thread title is misleading.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,758 ✭✭✭✭TeddyTedson


    Next they're scrapping the pension for the over 90s.
    Jesus it would be like that call in the pub at the end of the night, "Right folk pleases".

    Any links?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 673 ✭✭✭pundy


    GOOD!


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,214 ✭✭✭chopper6


    RTE Fan wrote: »
    In the evening paper that dole for 18 and 19 year olds is to be abolished in Decembers budget. Unemployed people or that age will be required to enrol in training or return to education.


    About time too....they should extend that to anybody who's been on the dole two years or longer.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,122 ✭✭✭BeerWolf


    20s = 20-29, not 18 and 19 :pac:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,516 ✭✭✭wazky


    All well and good if they provided actual jobs and not that Jobbridge shite.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,758 ✭✭✭✭TeddyTedson


    Do 18 year olds get full Job seekers benefit provided they have sufficient PRSI paid?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,313 ✭✭✭✭Sam Kade


    I thought this years budget is in October. It's only the usual kite flying.


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 12,554 Mod ✭✭✭✭Amirani


    chopper6 wrote: »
    About time too....they should extend that to anybody who's been on the dole two years or longer.

    And provide them with a free course in how to pickpocket and rob houses while they're at it. It would be unfair to leave them starve in fairness...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,088 ✭✭✭SpaceTime


    Well, I suppose it makes sense in so far as you need to upskill people who are that age. They're hardly stuck in a career path!!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,163 ✭✭✭✭danniemcq


    While it seems like a good idea I can't see it working out. Courses will be full, people if forced to take them will end up doing something they have no interest in. Or will people in the late teens get given priority over the over 20s which again will cause Chaos.

    If the money for creation of new training rooms/courses/trainers was spent i dunno in Job creation instead it might be better. After all the 1000's of young Irish leaving the country aren't going to sign on somewhere else they are going to work.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,122 ✭✭✭BeerWolf


    wazky wrote: »
    All well and good if they provided actual jobs and not that Jobbridge shite.

    Nothing wrong with Job bridge as a source for experience, just that it's being exploited by Employers - it should be monitored, and not have positions like Waitress and Barman, etc. for cheap labour.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,313 ✭✭✭✭Sam Kade


    chopper6 wrote: »
    About time too....they should extend that to anybody who's been on the dole two years or longer.
    That will teach them to go out and get a job :rolleyes:


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,214 ✭✭✭chopper6


    And provide them with a free course in how to pickpocket and rob houses while they're at it. It would be unfair to leave them starve in fairness...


    They could,like..y'know get jobs?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,516 ✭✭✭wazky


    BeerWolf wrote: »
    Nothing wrong with Job bridge, just that it's being exploited by Employers - it should be monitored, and not have positions like Waitress and Barman, etc. for cheap labour.

    Well it either needs to be abolished or reformed, look on most job advertising websites and you will see placements for stacking shelfs, cleaning up offices etc, general labour jobs.

    How can you apprentice in stacking a shelf?


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 12,554 Mod ✭✭✭✭Amirani


    chopper6 wrote: »
    They could,like..y'know get jobs?

    You think removing all social welfare payment to those who have been unemployment for more than two years will make them all suddenly decide to get a job? That's naive in the extreme. I'd says it's more likely that a decent proportion of them will turn to crime instead, that's what tends to happen in other countries who enact similar proposals.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,122 ✭✭✭BeerWolf


    wazky wrote: »
    Well it either needs to be abolished or reformed, look on most job advertising websites and you will see placements for stacking shelfs, cleaning up offices etc, general labour jobs.

    How can you apprentice in stacking a shelf?

    You might want to reread what I just said... I was against the usage of THAT on Jobbridge... the "Exploited by Employers for cheap labour" part... and that such things should be monitored out.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,758 ✭✭✭✭TeddyTedson


    chopper6 wrote: »
    They could,like..y'know get jobs?
    In fairness there's not many jobs out there for 18 year olds who've just left school with just their Leaving Cert.
    I saw a job recently in my field that I could have gotten quite easily at my age a few years ago now looking for substantial qualifications and a minimum of 15 years experience. How is anyone supposed to progress anymore!?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,516 ✭✭✭wazky


    BeerWolf wrote: »
    Er, I just said I was against the usage of THAT on Jobbridge... the "Exploited by Employers for cheap labour" part... and that such things should be monitored out.

    And I just said it needs to be reformed to stop that?


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,214 ✭✭✭chopper6


    wazky wrote: »
    Well it either needs to be abolished or reformed, look on most job advertising websites and you will see placements for stacking shelfs, cleaning up offices etc, general labour jobs.

    How can you apprentice in stacking a shelf?

    Gotta start somewhere...everybody i know started off in menial work after leaving school.

    This idea that "general labour jobs" are beneath people or that you're somehow better off on the dole needs to be changed.

    Work ethic in this country has gone to the dogs.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 954 ✭✭✭lahalane


    chopper6 wrote: »
    They could,like..y'know get jobs?

    You may just have solved the unemployment problem. Ingenius. Can't believe they didn't think of that.

    I think I have a solution for famine. Why don't they just eat food?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,122 ✭✭✭BeerWolf


    wazky wrote: »
    And I just said it needs to be reformed to stop that?

    Gee, you think I wasn't implying that?!

    Thanks for the info Sherlocks...

    :rolleyes:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,516 ✭✭✭wazky


    chopper6 wrote: »
    Gotta start somewhere...everybody i know started off in menial work after leaving school.

    This idea that "general labour jobs" are beneath people or that you're somehow better off on the dole needs to be changed.

    Work ethic in this country has gone to the dogs.

    How can you start off when you cant get a job?

    To apply for Job Bridge you need to be on the dole, which means three months out of education, so that is excluding every college and second level student.

    So not only do you have people on the dole but also students are severely restricted on the number jobs available to them, but students don't show up on the live register number which is mighty handy for the government.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,068 ✭✭✭LoonyLovegood


    Can't see this working out. What about those who may have left school after the junior cert, gotten a qualification (hairdressing, etc), who now can't work? You're going to end up with people doing courses because they have to.

    Will this be the government trying to say that we've no youth unemployment thanks to this?


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,214 ✭✭✭chopper6


    lahalane wrote: »

    I think I have a solution for famine. Why don't they just eat food?

    Or maybe grow thier own food instead of depending on other people giving it to them.

    This might be a bit subtle for you but think about it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,068 ✭✭✭LoonyLovegood


    Can't see this working out. What about those who may have left school after the junior cert, gotten a qualification (hairdressing, etc), who now can't work? You're going to end up with people doing courses because they have to.

    Will this be the government trying to say that we've no youth unemployment thanks to this?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 474 ✭✭Umekichi


    In fairness there's not many job out there for 18 year olds who've just left school with just their Leaving Cert.
    I saw a job recently in my field that I could have gotten quite easily at my age a few years ago now looking for substantial qualifications and a minimus 15 years experience. How is anyone supposed to progress anymore!?

    This is the situation I am in, haven't enough experience to get even the most basic job, despite the fact that I am a quick learner, friendly, hardworking and good at computers.

    Yet can't get experience with no job.
    I have found it to be one of the most soul destroying things to be on the dole.
    I have no confidence in myself or my abilities and in general feel like cr*p knowing that no matter how hard I try to find employment, I am passed over by someone who has more experience than me, who may then move on from that employer to a newer and better job within a few months to a year, whereas I would gladly stay on as a loyal worker to build up my experience.

    Thankfully I have secured a place on a Fás course that includes Work Experience and I volunteer so that helps somewhat, despite the fact that I have to put up with being labelled as a "scrounger" by people who know little about me or my situation.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,106 ✭✭✭Christy42


    chopper6 wrote: »
    Gotta start somewhere...everybody i know started off in menial work after leaving school.

    This idea that "general labour jobs" are beneath people or that you're somehow better off on the dole needs to be changed.

    Work ethic in this country has gone to the dogs.

    I think the phrase is "general labour volunteering". I agree that people who are on the dole long term should take what they can get (an be encouraged to do so). Jobsbridge is still on the dole, they just don't count you in the official figures and whoever takes that shelf stacking role will be back on it once the internship ends.

    I feel dole numbers should include these internships. If it leads to a job fine, take them off it but until then it is just misleading.

    I have no issue with shelf stacking jobs but an internship in it is just a joke. Did you have to do an internship for your menial job (at a lower wage and taxpayer's expense)?.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,122 ✭✭✭BeerWolf


    chopper6 wrote: »
    Gotta start somewhere...everybody i know started off in menial work after leaving school.

    This idea that "general labour jobs" are beneath people or that you're somehow better off on the dole needs to be changed.

    Work ethic in this country has gone to the dogs.

    Nothing wrong with general labour - the issue was them being posted on Jobbridge, an INTERNSHIP website... and employers exploiting the system so they only pay out so little for these jobs, effectively being free labour.

    Or do you believe a job like a shop clerk, cashier, barman, stacker, etc. fall under an internship? -.-;


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,299 ✭✭✭✭The Backwards Man


    Young people blow all their dough, pensioners spend fcuk all. I propose taking €150 a week of the pensioners and giving it to the teenagers to stimulate the economy. It would take a politician with balls of steel to introduce that one.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 954 ✭✭✭lahalane


    chopper6 wrote: »
    Or maybe grow thier own food instead of depending on other people giving it to them.

    This might be a bit subtle for you but think about it.

    Do you think everybody has the same circumstances as you do? Do you really think that getting a job is an easy thing for everybody who is on the dole? I love how simple everyone seems to think stuff like this is. If it could be solved on an internet forum then the chances are somebody would have thought of it before.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,037 ✭✭✭✭SEPT 23 1989


    I think they should riot the sh1t out of this town or register to vote


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,122 ✭✭✭BeerWolf


    Young people blow all their dough, pensioners spend fcuk all. I propose taking €150 a week of the pensioners and giving it to the teenagers to stimulate the economy. It would take a politician with balls of steel to introduce that one.

    Why the hell should people who've paid throughout their years towards a pension have their money taken ? You delusional or what ? That money's their own earning, there for comfort in retirement...

    There's already an uproar with the whole pension thing that the Government is taking...


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 12,554 Mod ✭✭✭✭Amirani


    chopper6 wrote: »
    Or maybe grow thier own food instead of depending on other people giving it to them.

    This might be a bit subtle for you but think about it.

    You seem to be assuming that everybody have access to land on which they can grow food. I don't think that's typically the case...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,788 ✭✭✭✭krudler


    chopper6 wrote: »
    They could,like..y'know get jobs?

    I know, it'll be great taking some of the pressure off the rest of us being offered jobs all the time, I can't open my emails with job offers from people every day, ridiculous like.

    Jesus what an asinine post.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 474 ✭✭Umekichi


    I think they should riot the sh1t out of this town or register to vote

    Why would they register when it seem, to me anyway, that both parties are and all politicians seem to be like this:



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,299 ✭✭✭✭The Backwards Man


    BeerWolf wrote: »
    Why the hell should people who've paid throughout their years towards a pension have their money taken ? You delusional or what ? That money's their own earning, there for comfort in retirement...
    As I said, balls of steel.:pac:


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,656 ✭✭✭✭The Princess Bride


    Something wrong with a system that educates children for up to 13/14 years, and then hands out money for them to do nothing.
    That wouldn't provide the incentive for them to do a course or look for a job.

    Hope this is fact and not a rumour.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,516 ✭✭✭wazky


    BeerWolf wrote: »
    Why the hell should people who've paid throughout their years towards a pension have their money taken ? You delusional or what ? That money's their own earning, there for comfort in retirement...

    Bring in compulsory euthanasia for people on their 68 birthday, solves that problem.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 145 ✭✭madness98


    What happens when the course someone wants to take is filled up and ten people don't want to take that course? Or when they finish it and are pushed into a job the have no interest in doing?

    Don't get me wrong, i'm all for schemes to get youth off unemployment and into work but I can't help thinking that this might do more harm than good. maybe its just the cynic in me getting out.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,303 ✭✭✭Bits_n_Bobs


    I think they should riot the sh1t out of this town or register to vote

    Awesome idea however won't happen till their boards.ie access is taken away...pesky teens....


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,214 ✭✭✭chopper6


    You seem to be assuming that everybody have access to land on which they can grow food. I don't think that's typically the case...


    It wasn't meant to be taken literally.

    It was a analogy between making your own money by working for yourself or depending on handouts forever.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,828 ✭✭✭bullvine


    When we axing the dole for people who've never paid income tax?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,528 ✭✭✭ShaShaBear


    What paper was this?

    All I can see is an article about how The Union of Students in Ireland, the Irish Second-Level Students' Union and Congress got together and demanded an end be put to the lockout of unemployed youths from the workforce and that they requested a national jobs strategy for young people, a jobs stimulus, major investment in the Youth Guarantee Scheme, a legal framework and better regulation of work placement.

    No mention of the government forcing young people off the dole, rather young people coming forward and suggesting some things to enable themselves :confused:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,689 ✭✭✭Tombi!


    Closed accounts folks. I'm guessing it was a troll and reported it as such.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 445 ✭✭Lisa2011


    chopper6 wrote: »
    About time too....they should extend that to anybody who's been on the dole two years or longer.

    Maybe it should but there are highly qualified people who are long term unemployed and cant do any more courses

    If this is true regards 18 to 19 yr olds I agree with you. There are far too many early school leavers signing on and they need to be forced to get a skill or qualification

    Why don't they extend this scheme to foreign nationals who come to Ireland and sign on the dole immediately.


  • Moderators, Music Moderators Posts: 35,946 Mod ✭✭✭✭dr.bollocko


    OP = re-reg troll.

    Closed his account before the inevitable siteban.


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