No car tax... got a fine

Man on Fire · 05-09-2013 8:37am #1

never paid the 60e in 28 days. so it says on the sheet it goes to 90.. does it keep going up

Kristopherus · 05-09-2013 8:41am

Yes.Pay it or get a tour like that fine upstanding man:rolleyes:, John Waters, got:D.

Suasdaguna1 · 05-09-2013 8:48am

Imagine if we all decided to go on tour.......

corktina · 05-09-2013 8:49am

don't pay it and expect a court appearance....don't pay it then and it's the slammer for you

Suasdaguna1 · 05-09-2013 9:30am

corktina wrote: »

don't pay it and expect a court appearance....don't pay it then and it's the slammer for you

Yet as per another thread re elephant in the room we have all in sundry driving around the country with ringed cars, dodgy reg plates on their 56€ "vintage car tax" yet slammer those who don't pay car tax in a wholly inequitable system.

Sham says me and yes I am compliant.

Uriel. · 05-09-2013 9:48am

What's the final position in respect of fines? If you decide (like Waters) not to pay the fine and eventually a benchwarrant is issued and you're brought to prison for a few hours and released. Is that the end of the matter in respect of the fine? Is it a case of prison and then still be required to pay the entire fine (plus court costs) or is the prison time the substitute for the outstanding monetary penalty?

corktina · 05-09-2013 10:02am

I think Prison is in effect for contempt of court by not paying and you will still have to pay up, plus you have a record.

SteelyDanJalapeno · 05-09-2013 10:05am

OSI wrote: »

28 days to pay at reduced rate. 28 days to pay at full rate. Then it goes to court.

The tax is reduced for 28 days?

Suasdaguna1 · 05-09-2013 10:46am

corktina wrote: »

I think Prison is in effect for contempt of court by not paying and you will still have to pay up, plus you have a record.

Would the record have an effect on getting a visa to the states etc?

fiverfriday · 05-09-2013 10:48am

Yes. Technically you've been in prison.

listermint · 05-09-2013 10:52am

Suasdaguna1 wrote: »

Would the record have an effect on getting a visa to the states etc?

no its a motoring offence, not a criminal one

blackwhite · 05-09-2013 10:59am

listermint wrote: »

no its a motoring offence, not a criminal one

Contempt of court is not a motoring offence.

corktina · 05-09-2013 11:08am

listermint wrote: »

no its a motoring offence, not a criminal one

any sentence is for not paying the fine not for not paying the tax

felimd · 05-09-2013 11:12am

Conviction records in this country are exactly that, a record of all convictions, whether they are for an indictable offence or not.

listermint · 05-09-2013 12:00pm

blackwhite wrote: »

Contempt of court is not a motoring offence.

corktina wrote: »

any sentence is for not paying the fine not for not paying the tax

felimd wrote: »

Conviction records in this country are exactly that, a record of all convictions, whether they are for an indictable offence or not.

So you lads have an answer then if this would have an impact on an american visa then...

I suspect.

NO.

Marcusm · 05-09-2013 12:16pm

Is failure to discharge an order of the court "moral turpitude" as that is what the US requires to be disclosed. It is certainly amoral to fail to follow the determination of a court once you have been given and exhausted all opportunities to argue and defend your position. Not sure it's turpitude, though.

blackwhite · 05-09-2013 1:28pm

listermint wrote: »

So you lads have an answer then if this would have an impact on an american visa then...

I suspect.

NO.

Better to say you don't have any idea than to give a factually incorrect answer. :rolleyes:

And as to whether it would impact on an American visa - it would probably mean that you aren't able to avail of the Visa Waiver programme, and would have to apply for a visa every time you wanted to visit the US.

I was in the embassy for a working visa interview a few years ago, and was speaking to a lad from Donegal who was applying for a holiday visa for his honeymoon.
Had been convicted as a juvenile for joyriding and as a result he had to complete a visa application and go in for interview any time he wanted to visit the States

corktina · 05-09-2013 2:03pm

listermint wrote: »

So you lads have an answer then if this would have an impact on an american visa then...

I suspect.

NO.

I've no answer quite correct...best ask the Americans .

ofcork · 05-09-2013 5:37pm

According to 96fm a few guys were brought to prision for no tax displayed fines,in for a few hours and off again.Does the fine still stand or is it gone according to neil himself.

Mikros · 05-09-2013 5:48pm

The penalty in court will be fine of €xxx or x days imprisonment in default. So if you don't pay you go to prison instead and the fine is then discharged.

The conviction stands the same whether you pay or don't pay - only the penalty availed of will be different. Technically speaking you will have to state the conviction when applying for a US visa - whether they deem it important or not I don't know. From their website:

http://dublin.usembassy.gov/non-immigrant_visas/criminal-convictions.html

In general, minor and common motoring offenses outside the U.S. that were disposed of by paying a ticket by mail have no bearing on admission to the United States. Travelers with minor traffic offenses that did not result in their arrest and/or conviction for the offense may travel visa free, provided they are otherwise qualified. If you are not sure whether or not you are eligible to travel visa free, the only way to resolve this question would be to apply for a visa.

goz83 · 05-09-2013 6:06pm

Mikros wrote: »

The penalty in court will be fine of €xxx or x days imprisonment in default. So if you don't pay you go to prison instead and the fine is then discharged.

The conviction stands the same whether you pay or don't pay - only the penalty availed of will be different. Technically speaking you will have to state the conviction when applying for a US visa - whether they deem it important or not I don't know. From their website:

http://dublin.usembassy.gov/non-immigrant_visas/criminal-convictions.html

Interesting. A friend of mine and fellow boardsie refused to pay a fine for "holding a mobile phone" while driving. It was a ciggy pack actually, but that's nether here nor there. This happened last year and a warrant got issued when he didn't pay the fine. Local Gard tried to convince him to do the time and when told about a trip to the states next month, the Gard said it would have no affect on his entry to the USA. Friend decided the Gard was talking shoite (supposedly he has it in for him since he was a teenager) and has decided to pay the now €300 fine rather than get a conviction, which would obviously reduce his chances of entering the USA and would at the least, make it more hassle.

Mikros · 05-09-2013 6:10pm

goz83 wrote: »

Interesting. A friend of mine and fellow boardsie refused to pay a fine for "holding a mobile phone" while driving. It was a ciggy pack actually, but that's nether here nor there. This happened last year and a warrant got issued when he didn't pay the fine. Local Gard tried to convince him to do the time and when told about a trip to the states next month, the Gard said it would have no affect on his entry to the USA. Friend decided the Gard was talking shoite (supposedly he has it in for him since he was a teenager) and has decided to pay the now €300 fine rather than get a conviction, which would obviously reduce his chances of entering the USA and would at the least, make it more hassle.

It depends on what the actual outcome was in court - a poor box donation would not be a conviction, nor would the Probation Act count.

Even so I doubt a conviction for a minor motoring offence would be an issue in entering the USA - but to the letter of their visa waiver requirements you would need to apply for a visa which is of course extra hassle.

goz83 · 05-09-2013 6:14pm

Mikros wrote: »

but to the letter of their visa waiver requirements you would need to apply for a visa which is of course extra hassle.

This.

We leave in 4 weeks, so it would be a big hassle and worry if there was any problem. We have our estas completed and valid.

Toyotafanboi · 05-09-2013 6:38pm

can you not afford to pay or what is the reason you are not paying?

goz83 · 06-09-2013 7:28pm

Toyotafanboi wrote: »

can you not afford to pay or what is the reason you are not paying?

This is not one of those "oh, my friend is in trouble" covers. It is actually my friend who is in the situation.

To begin with, he refused to pay, because he wasn't actually holding a phone when driving, but the Gard said he was. The judge upped the fine from €80 to €300. At the moment, yeah, money is tight for him and anything extra is going toward his spending money. I covered a good bit of the trip for him when I had the extra few quid, just to take some of the pressure off him.

blackwhite · 09-09-2013 8:16am

Mikros wrote: »

It depends on what the actual outcome was in court - a poor box donation would not be a conviction, nor would the Probation Act count.

Even so I doubt a conviction for a minor motoring offence would be an issue in entering the USA - but to the letter of their visa waiver requirements you would need to apply for a visa which is of course extra hassle.

A conviction for a minor motoring offence probably won't be an issue - provided you comply with the judgement of the court (i.e. pay the court-mandated fine).

A conviction for contempt of court (which is what happens if you refuse to pay the court-mandated fine) is a more serious conviction - and at a minimum will mean that you have to go through the Visa application process prior to travelling to the US, instead of being able to use the Visa-waiver system.

No car tax... got a fine

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